I would say it’s an owner operator running an ex Thomas Allen of Stanford - le - Hope or Crow Carrying from Barking Scammell. There’s no signwriting on the vehicle but it does have that “OO” Essex C C reg plate. The trailer looks like a spirit tank and looks very Crow Carryingish with the blue panel on the side.Of course,Clapcotts of Poole and Totton fame ran wagons in that livery………………
Will that do?
Just to update this post,the Scammell Trunker is ex Mobil and has been preserved.
I think the Scania drawbar with the load of straw is D J Watkins of Cross Hands Carmarthenshire They are fruit and veg merchants as well as farmers though i dont think they run wagons now .You can see theier place if you come to the end of the M4 at Pont Abraham follow A48 to next roundabout straight over A48 and you can see theier farm and shop to the righthand side
ianto:
I think the Scania drawbar with the load of straw is D J Watkins of Cross Hands Carmarthenshire They are fruit and veg merchants as well as farmers though i dont think they run wagons now .You can see theier place if you come to the end of the M4 at Pont Abraham follow A48 to next roundabout straight over A48 and you can see theier farm and shop to the righthand side
The chippy at Cross Hands was the only one outside Scotland that sold haggis… Happy days when I found that out… If I remember right it used to have a steep climb out of it when heading back east ( Cross Hands, not the chippy )…
Haggis and chips in Scotland is called a Haggis supper… and fish and chips is a fish supper… not fish and chips like the southern chaps call it…
NMM… I noticed on one of the other threads someone was on about A and B trains … Not wanting to sound like an Anorak…while doing my Australian truck test many moons ago it was part of the written test to go through various things… there were about 6 of us in the room and the examiner ( If you can call him that ) asked what was the difference between an A and B trailer…
The answer is an A trailer can invert ( roll over ) with out disturbing the towing vehicle… obviously not taking into account that you would be towing 26 ton of trailer down the road on it’s side… so the coupling would revolve… ie like what would have been on the rear crossmember of a wagon and drag ( VGB Ringfeeder Rockinger sort of thing ) Where as a B trailer would take the towing vehicle with it if it over turned… so it would be fitted with a turntable, 5th wheel ( Jost sort of thing ) which is why a B- Double has 2 5th wheels… so the photo of you Pete would be a B A double… but here in the real world we still call it an A double… so everyone still knows what your on about… In my book more trailers, more hassle…and if it’s anything like it is here you wouldn’t necessarily get twice as much money for towing another trailer…
ianto:
I think the Scania drawbar with the load of straw is D J Watkins of Cross Hands Carmarthenshire They are fruit and veg merchants as well as farmers though i dont think they run wagons now .You can see theier place if you come to the end of the M4 at Pont Abraham follow A48 to next roundabout straight over A48 and you can see theier farm and shop to the righthand side
The chippy at Cross Hands was the only one outside Scotland that sold haggis… Happy days when I found that out… If I remember right it used to have a steep climb out of it when heading back east ( Cross Hands, not the chippy )…
Haggis and chips in Scotland is called a Haggis supper… and fish and chips is a fish supper… not fish and chips like the southern chaps call it…
NMM… I noticed on one of the other threads someone was on about A and B trains … Not wanting to sound like an Anorak…while doing my Australian truck test many moons ago it was part of the written test to go through various things… there were about 6 of us in the room and the examiner ( If you can call him that ) asked what was the difference between an A and B trailer…
The answer is an A trailer can invert ( roll over ) with out disturbing the towing vehicle… obviously not taking into account that you would be towing 26 ton of trailer down the road on it’s side… so the coupling would revolve… ie like what would have been on the rear crossmember of a wagon and drag ( VGB Ringfeeder Rockinger sort of thing ) Where as a B trailer would take the towing vehicle with it if it over turned… so it would be fitted with a turntable, 5th wheel ( Jost sort of thing ) which is why a B- Double has 2 5th wheels… so the photo of you Pete would be a B A double… but here in the real world we still call it an A double… so everyone still knows what your on about… In my book more trailers, more hassle…and if it’s anything like it is here you wouldn’t necessarily get twice as much money for towing another trailer…
Jeff…
Hi Jelliot dont know about the chippy but the steep hill out of Cross Hands was on the A476 heading towards Llanelli you hit it about 100yds after the traffic lights on the square called Tumble Hill as the village of Tumble is at the top of the hill and a little further on Mordav Transport had a depot on the left hand side
Jeff, I wish I got twice the money for dragging two trailers, I nett approx 10% more than I would gross pulling one trailer, so it’s worth doing, but it doesn’t pay what it should.
Hi Ianto, many moon ago since I was up that direction, probably early 80’s I seem to remember that it had an overtaking lane ( could be wrong ) but the traffic lights were always red when I got there, especially if I was fully loaded… I also remember a fridge outfit in that aera that were called Dragon Ice ( Big Welsh Dragon on the side of the trailers … Mercs…
NMM 10 % that’s about right for what we get as well, and some times the back trailer even gets a free ride if it’s lite ( sweetener ) as long as we don’t have to dog run it…
Dog Run … you can’t run trains into areas of large populus… most of time at best it’s a B Double only… there are Road Train assembly points (usually some turd ridden,god forsake, desolate dust bowl without any kind of amenities in the middle of nowhere, where we have to assemble the trains ( usually in the dark ) … What you have to do it load and drag your trailers and dollies separately to the assembly point, anything up to 200k’s each way… that’s the best part of a day… stick it all together then get on with the rest of your job… It’s a good job we can do 17 hour spread overs…
BAB quad ( 2 B-Doubles with a dolly in the middle )
Good evening all, haven’t been on TruckNet for a while so have only recently caught this thread and what a good one. Chris Webb enticed me over as there was talk of photos of Clapcotts Tankers of Poole and Southampton for whom I have previously worked. well its taken me about 3 days to go through the 283 pages and have thoroughly enjoyed it, Thanks for the thread Dean and obviously all the contributors. I will be posting about some earlier posts and can only extend my apologies if I am duplicating information, must admit whilst I have looked at every photo I have not read every single comment within the 283 pages!
first up. J&J transport.
these photos have appeared and the connection with JC Dean has been made by many of you forgive me if I don’t credit you all ( Piston Broke, Bubbleman, Andrew, HRS, Buzzer etc), my addition to this is that JC Dean originally had a yard in Durrington near Amesbury and John (Buzzer) is correct in saying that he then went to Churchfields Industrial Estate in Salisbury but outgrew that and moved into Petersfinger on the A36, where he remains. J&J was started up with another John (hence J&J) who’s surname was I believe Eustace (Bald Eagle) but they were in Cirencester and never in the Wiltshire area in direct competition.
The F88 in this picture is not a J&J motor it is in fact an early JC Dean. his choice of livery has changed a couple of times and also had vehicles in other liveries ( Kenneth Wilson being one)
another post was about this F88, look carefully at the registration it is the same vehicle that was green! it has had the addition of a nameboard a newer paint job, to gold and red, but the trailer although a different one is still green. I am convinced this was still owned by JC at the time the picture was taken.
Jelliot:
Hi Ianto, many moon ago since I was up that direction, probably early 80’s I seem to remember that it had an overtaking lane ( could be wrong ) but the traffic lights were always red when I got there, especially if I was fully loaded… I also remember a fridge outfit in that aera that were called Dragon Ice ( Big Welsh Dragon on the side of the trailers … Mercs…
NMM 10 % that’s about right for what we get as well, and some times the back trailer even gets a free ride if it’s lite ( sweetener ) as long as we don’t have to dog run it…
Dog Run … you can’t run trains into areas of large populus… most of time at best it’s a B Double only… there are Road Train assembly points (usually some turd ridden,god forsake, desolate dust bowl without any kind of amenities in the middle of nowhere, where we have to assemble the trains ( usually in the dark ) … What you have to do it load and drag your trailers and dollies separately to the assembly point, anything up to 200k’s each way… that’s the best part of a day… stick it all together then get on with the rest of your job… It’s a good job we can do 17 hour spread overs…
BAB quad ( 2 B-Doubles with a dolly in the middle )
Jeff…
I wouldn’t fancy reversing onto an Aldi bay with that lot!
newmercman:
My preference for Scania is because they handle better than a Volvo, I like the sound of the V8 too, but not through straight pipes, they sound bloody awful, like a washing machine full of nuts and bolts on spin dry.
I hear you on the power thing Jeff, on paper my 500hp Volvo should ■■■■ all over a 450 Scania or 48 TurboStar, at normal weight it is a bit of a flying machine, but it feels flat compared to the power delivery of the IVECO or Scania
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The older engines could be tweaked in the workshop, so that they were making a bit more than the numbers on the spec. sheet, but that does not explain it fully. There are loads of people, all over the internet, saying that new vehicles do not have the “get up and go” (or whatever words they use) of similarly-powered vehicles of a generation ago.
It must be that the engine management systems are restricting fuel delivery in transient conditions, possibly to keep particulates emissions low while the turbocharger spools up. Throughout any acceleration event, the engine is going slower than the demand from the pedal- by definition. If the more recent standards have tighter controls on transient events, that would explain the newer engines seeming relatively sluggish.
The true test is steady state conditions on a dyno, or climbing hills at approximately constant speed. Over to the test department…
The newer K2’s and bigger Western Stars have traction control fitted as standard, which seems to muffel everything… the problem with that is when we’re on the dirt they’re no good they just shut down…even with the diff and cross locks engaged… When we need to give it the gun to get it up a hill on a gravel road they just won’t do it… which is why we still run a fleet of older trucks for when the need arises… The dealers can over ride them on the computer but they don’t like to as they say it leaves the truck open to miss use ( as if )
ROF actually that was for a supermarket drop… but we have to split them up before we go anywhere near the delivery address ( Dog Runs )
Doing a bit of fishing … a few weeks ago…
Jeff…
You could be right there Anorak, when you planted the right boot it opened up the taps and you got a bigger bang, now the ECU has to get all its ducks in a row before anything significant happens down below (or out in front) no matter how hard you hit the go pedal.
That big CAT of mine has got plenty of go in it, but it doesn’t accelerate in top gear anywhere near as fast as my F16, 48 or 143 used to, there’s no surge of power, just a linear build up.
I had a 610 FH16 for a short time before I came here and I wasn’t that impressed with it tbh, going from a 460 FH12 I was expecting the same difference in driveability that I got when I jumped from 350ish hp to 450/470/480hp, which was quite dramatic, but the difference was no more than going over a hill in top rather than having to split a gear.
newmercman:
You could be right there Anorak, when you planted the right boot it opened up the taps and you got a bigger bang, now the ECU has to get all its ducks in a row before anything significant happens down below (or out in front) no matter how hard you hit the go pedal.
There’s probably no doubt that mechanical fuelling and accelerator control is far more responsive than fly by wire accelerator control and electronic fuelling.In addition to trickery like torque limiting engine mapping.So just going by the outright figures is probably not a real world comparison.
While the exception which proves the rule seems to be throttle only sensing electronic management and mechanical linkage.In which case my Jag’s throttle sensing ITB set up will fire the engine up to the rev limiter when sat at idle with just a quick stab of the throttle pedal while the Zafira’s fly by wire throttle and numerous other sensing parameters won’t react at all to an even longer,let alone the same,input.Let alone when a turbocharger is put into the loop removing even more response.
While a mechanical diesel,or for that matter petrol injection,set up is in another league in terms of response regardless.So no surprise that less,let alone equivalent,old school mechanically fuelled and controlled engine power means as much if not more real world go.Especially if it’s combined with well matched gearing.Rather than silly high gearing combined with a speed limiter to stop it reaching stratospheric road speeds which seems to characterise modern vehicle design.
Buzzer:
“HRS”]Morning Dean,
Think this belongs to Ron Sibley.
Dad, Ron ran the company for many years as “Sibleys” later “Sibley material movements”
John, the son now runs it, was a big name in Southampton once. Harvey
Started in Dyer Road, Shirley now in Nursling Industrial Estate, Buzzer
Thanks for the comments Harvey and Buzzer.
Chris Webb:
Morning Dean.
I would say it’s an owner operator running an ex Thomas Allen of Stanford - le - Hope or Crow Carrying from Barking Scammell. There’s no signwriting on the vehicle but it does have that “OO” Essex C C reg plate. The trailer looks like a spirit tank and looks very Crow Carryingish with the blue panel on the side.Of course,Clapcotts of Poole and Totton fame ran wagons in that livery………………
Will that do?
Just to update this post,the Scammell Trunker is ex Mobil and has been preserved.
Not too bad chap, nice to see you havent lost your touch ! Thanks for all the info.
240 Gardner:
DEANB:
Van Ommeren Seddon Atkinson.
I think this would be Pitter Bros - they were also Seddon Atkinson agents at that time
Van Ommeren was the U.K. agency for NYK Line, before they set up their own offices
Cheers Chris.
ianto:
I think the Scania drawbar with the load of straw is D J Watkins of Cross Hands Carmarthenshire They are fruit and veg merchants as well as farmers though i dont think they run wagons now .You can see theier place if you come to the end of the M4 at Pont Abraham follow A48 to next roundabout straight over A48 and you can see theier farm and shop to the righthand side
Thanks for the input “ianto”
Thanks for all the comments and pics “Jelliot”
Thanks for the comments and input from “newmercman”,“anorak” and “carryfast”
nilocekyd:
Good evening all, haven’t been on TruckNet for a while so have only recently caught this thread and what a good one. Chris Webb enticed me over as there was talk of photos of Clapcotts Tankers of Poole and Southampton for whom I have previously worked. well its taken me about 3 days to go through the 283 pages and have thoroughly enjoyed it, Thanks for the thread Dean and obviously all the contributors. I will be posting about some earlier posts and can only extend my apologies if I am duplicating information, must admit whilst I have looked at every photo I have not read every single comment within the 283 pages!
first up. J&J transport.
these photos have appeared and the connection with JC Dean has been made by many of you forgive me if I don’t credit you all ( Piston Broke, Bubbleman, Andrew, HRS, Buzzer etc), my addition to this is that JC Dean originally had a yard in Durrington near Amesbury and John (Buzzer) is correct in saying that he then went to Churchfields Industrial Estate in Salisbury but outgrew that and moved into Petersfinger on the A36, where he remains. J&J was started up with another John (hence J&J) who’s surname was I believe Eustace (Bald Eagle) but they were in Cirencester and never in the Wiltshire area in direct competition.
The F88 in this picture is not a J&J motor it is in fact an early JC Dean. his choice of livery has changed a couple of times and also had vehicles in other liveries ( Kenneth Wilson being one)
another post was about this F88, look carefully at the registration it is the same vehicle that was green! it has had the addition of a nameboard a newer paint job, to gold and red, but the trailer although a different one is still green. I am convinced this was still owned by JC at the time the picture was taken.
Welcome to the thread “nilocekyd” Thanks for your comments and the information.
Heres a couple of local companies you may well remember being a tanker driver.
Upton OIl from Upton,Poole.
Minster Fuel’s from Wimborne.
Texaco who had a depot on Poole docks.
You mentioned kenneth Wilson,heres one of their Fodens.
If you have any photos of Clapcotts tankers feel free to pop them on.
newmercman:
Hi Andrew, I haven’t got much to write about these days, nothing exciting about the work I do now, it’s hard to excite an audience about a field in Saskatchewan both in words and pictures. It doesn’t have quite the same appeal as trips to California, Florida, New York and over the Rockies etc. I do miss those trips and would love to go back to that work, but money talks and I have a lot more time at home doing what I do now, so I have to be a grown up about it, much to my dismay.
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This may bring back some meories then “newmercman”
… when Scania were in the US market
