PAUL GEE's PHOTO COLLECTION (Part 1)

[bob-lad]

hia dean ive been trying to log in for weeks to thank you for taking the time to share these fantastic pics of pauls , i can vaguely remember him at ross when i first started driving in the late 70s , i remember most of these outfits and the characters , theres a dark blue man on there that belonged to aidleys of urmston amongst many others , have you ever come across any bowies red motors we were down south wales most days or any manc motors would be very much appreciated thanks bob

[splitshift]

The Retriever used the same double drive set up as the Super Comet,Bear,LAD cab Retriever also Octopus & Scammell Routeman with power divider/third diff(with air operated lock out) in the first driving axle, the Reiver had a third diff in the relay gear box(again with air operated lock out) I don’t think the relay gear box would cope with power output much above that above of the 400/410/411 engines found in the Reiver

[bubbleman]

Hiya Dean,The unidentified Sed/Atk 8 wheeler belonged to W.H.Jakeway of Sandford…There was a cutting of it on the Scrapbook but it seems all the pics I put on there via Photobucket have disappeared as I believe they want a payment so as a booby prize heres another of Jakeways fron my photo collection,Cheers Bubbs,

[paul_john]

rward:
Paul John you mentioned triang toys wat a mad mad place to work regards rowly

Hi Rowly, you’re right. Mad was an understatement a lot of youngsters straight out of school, mad as hatters. Trouble was I knew a lot of them as I went to school in Merthyr for five years and Merthyr Tech for three. Rhymney was a little more sane!
Lots of factories had girls working in them in them days, Smiths in Rhymney and Derby made clothes for the armed forces. If you ventured past the loading bays , you wouldn’t come out with any clothes on. The pranks they used to pull were crazy. I had a girlfriend who worked in the office, she wouldn’t go on the shop floor as the girls would tease her to the point she would cry. You had to be thick skinned, but give plenty of stick back and you will survive. It was all in fun, but could be intimidating.
The car component factories around Birmingham were the same, plenty of leg pulling but everyone just wanted to have a laugh really.

Paul

[tyneside]

Bewick:
The Bull nosed Merc brought back memories of the late 60’s and the notorious Davis Group. Their subsidiary Poulters ran a number of this type as well as their Northern based subsidiary Larrow Transport . At this time the Davis’s were up to their armpits with the Ministry and were eventually put out of business and then Ralph Hilton seemed to take over from them as the main East end operator from 1970. Cheers Bewick.

Don’t know how true it is but I was told more than once by different drivers who were based at Larrow Transport, Gateshead that one of the Davis’s (Solly??) used to drive around the various depots in a Rolls Royce that was never taxed.
Tyneside

[carl_williams]

rward:
Paul John you mentioned triang toys wat a mad mad place to work regards rowly

We used to deliver Triang Toys out of Merton to North East & Scotland in the sixties. It was good return load traffic for our vans but they were not paying and their debts were getting bigger & bigger. There was a lot of adverse publicity in the business pages in Newspapers so we put a Stop on their account.We got paid as they wanted us to continue working for them & told them we would only do it if they paid weekly & built up no further debt. Just shortly after they went into liquidation. We were very lucky as we’d have lost a lot of money if we’d continued letting the debt build up,But with such a well known name & products like Triang had who would have thought they would have gone bankrupt

[carl_williams]

rward:
Paul John you mentioned triang toys wat a mad mad place to work regards rowly

We used to deliver Triang Toys out of Merton to North East & Scotland in the sixties. It was good return load traffic for our vans but they were not paying and their debts were getting bigger & bigger. There was a lot of adverse publicity in the business pages in Newspapers so we put a Stop on their account.We got paid as they wanted us to continue working for them & told them we would only do it if they paid weekly & built up no further debt. Just shortly after they went into liquidation. We were very lucky as we’d have lost a lot of money if we’d continued letting the debt build up,But with such a well known name & products like Triang had who would have thought they would have gone bankrupt

[stubo]

Absolutely superp! As someone else stated haulage has certainly changed massively.

[johnfp]

That car in the Berliet photo is a Austin or Morris 1800 with the newer rear lights probably G or H reg, also known as a Landcrab back in the day. They did a 2200cc six cylinder version as well that went and sounded quite good as I remember.

[dog_tired]

Thank you Paul and Deanb for posting these fabulous pictures for us all to see.
Just a note the W J Rich Albion was a Crediton, Devon lorry, a company that was operating when I started lorry driving.
Sadly ceased trading a long time ago like so many of the old companies.
Being a bit of a numpty I went O/d in 1978 and 1st lorry was a Albion Reiver bulk blower F reg 400 engine 2 stick g/box 22t gross,
very reliable it was too, it still lives on a farm local to me and is used every year at corn harvest.
Many thanks once again, Norman.

[robthedog]

kmills:
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A real Mary Hopkins moment for me, back on page 6. A great picture of Roy Tolley, an owner driver from Hereford. This was IIRC Roy’s second Scania, previously he’d had a LB76. This 110 followed, then a 6x2 140, a 141 and a 142. I’m sure I read on the Southampton thread some time ago that Pat Duffy bought his first 110 off Roy - I think this would have been the one.
Anyway - the Mary Hopkins bit - I didn’t spot it at first, but look closely and you can see Roy’s son in the passenger seat- he had 2 sons, but I’m pretty sure that this is his eldest, who I happened to go to school with. Wow, as my Dad also had a 110 Scania at the time, you can probably guess the topic of conversation at school on many occasions…

I would certainly like to echo the appreciation for Paul Gee and his pictures - DeanB, if you are still in touch, please pass on my delight & gratitude from the other side of the world.

Its a shame Pat is no longer with us he would have been able to fill in a lot of gaps with all the scanias, esp as there are a lot of Southampton photos on this magnificent thread.

[slatey]

both of the act scanias in the pictures belonged to brain haulage and run out of the Southampton depot on contract the day cab bgk902h (how sad is that)had a nasty accident on the a36 early one morning and was written off. the sleeper opu636p was one off many on that contract hope that helps

[deanb]

gingerfold:

Bewick:

The two 6 wheeler Leylands are Retrievers and have the Albion DD axles and they would have had the Leyland 600 engine under the bonnet. Cheers Bewick.

Leyland Retriever’s weren’t that common, probably because of the price of them. Cheaper 6-wheelers were available. Does anyone know if the Albion double-drive rear bogie used for Retrievers was exactly the same as in the Albion Reiver, that is no third diff, so under certain conditions the axles could actually work against each other.
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Thanks “gingerfold” for your comments !

bob-lad:
hia dean ive been trying to log in for weeks to thank you for taking the time to share these fantastic pics of pauls , i can vaguely remember him at ross when i first started driving in the late 70s , i remember most of these outfits and the characters , theres a dark blue man on there that belonged to aidleys of urmston amongst many others , have you ever come across any bowies red motors we were down south wales most days or any manc motors would be very much appreciated thanks bob

Cheers Bob for your comments glad you managed to finally log in !! Paul read your comments and was
well chuffed that you remember seeing a photographer there !
I will have a look for Bowies but there probably will be some at some time as there are alot of photos so keep
checking !

splitshift:
The Retriever used the same double drive set up as the Super Comet,Bear,LAD cab Retriever also Octopus & Scammell Routeman with power divider/third diff(with air operated lock out) in the first driving axle, the Reiver had a third diff in the relay gear box(again with air operated lock out) I don’t think the relay gear box would cope with power output much above that above of the 400/410/411 engines found in the Reiver

Thanks “splitshift” for answering the question so well !

bubbleman:
Hiya Dean,The unidentified Sed/Atk 8 wheeler belonged to W.H.Jakeway of Sandford…There was a cutting of it on the Scrapbook but it seems all the pics I put on there via Photobucket have disappeared as I believe they want a payment so as a booby prize heres another of Jakeways fron my photo collection,Cheers Bubbs,

Cheers Bubbs,nice one ! Not good news about photobucket !

Paul John:

rward:
Paul John you mentioned triang toys wat a mad mad place to work regards rowly

Hi Rowly, you’re right. Mad was an understatement a lot of youngsters straight out of school, mad as hatters. Trouble was I knew a lot of them as I went to school in Merthyr for five years and Merthyr Tech for three. Rhymney was a little more sane!
Lots of factories had girls working in them in them days, Smiths in Rhymney and Derby made clothes for the armed forces. If you ventured past the loading bays , you wouldn’t come out with any clothes on. The pranks they used to pull were crazy. I had a girlfriend who worked in the office, she wouldn’t go on the shop floor as the girls would tease her to the point she would cry. You had to be thick skinned, but give plenty of stick back and you will survive. It was all in fun, but could be intimidating.
The car component factories around Birmingham were the same, plenty of leg pulling but everyone just wanted to have a laugh really.

Paul

Thanks Paul “mad as hatters” classic.

tyneside:

Bewick:
The Bull nosed Merc brought back memories of the late 60’s and the notorious Davis Group. Their subsidiary Poulters ran a number of this type as well as their Northern based subsidiary Larrow Transport . At this time the Davis’s were up to their armpits with the Ministry and were eventually put out of business and then Ralph Hilton seemed to take over from them as the main East end operator from 1970. Cheers Bewick.

Don’t know how true it is but I was told more than once by different drivers who were based at Larrow Transport, Gateshead that one of the Davis’s (Solly??) used to drive around the various depots in a Rolls Royce that was never taxed.
Tyneside

Thanks for your input Tyneside !

Carl Williams:

rward:
Paul John you mentioned triang toys wat a mad mad place to work regards rowly

We used to deliver Triang Toys out of Merton to North East & Scotland in the sixties. It was good return load traffic for our vans but they were not paying and their debts were getting bigger & bigger. There was a lot of adverse publicity in the business pages in Newspapers so we put a Stop on their account.We got paid as they wanted us to continue working for them & told them we would only do it if they paid weekly & built up no further debt. Just shortly after they went into liquidation. We were very lucky as we’d have lost a lot of money if we’d continued letting the debt build up,But with such a well known name & products like Triang had who would have thought they would have gone bankrupt

Thanks Carl for your comments ! Sounds like you were lucky,some companies go pear shaped Friday and start
up Monday under a different name.

stubo:
Absolutely superp! As someone else stated haulage has certainly changed massively.

Thanks Stubo glad you are enjoying the pics.

johnfp:
That car in the Berliet photo is a Austin or Morris 1800 with the newer rear lights probably G or H reg, also known as a Landcrab back in the day. They did a 2200cc six cylinder version as well that went and sounded quite good as I remember.

Thanks “johnfp” for confirming the car ,looks similar to the maxi !

Dog tired:
Thank you Paul and Deanb for posting these fabulous pictures for us all to see.
Just a note the W J Rich Albion was a Crediton, Devon lorry, a company that was operating when I started lorry driving.
Sadly ceased trading a long time ago like so many of the old companies.
Being a bit of a numpty I went O/d in 1978 and 1st lorry was a Albion Reiver bulk blower F reg 400 engine 2 stick g/box 22t gross,
very reliable it was too, it still lives on a farm local to me and is used every year at corn harvest.
Many thanks once again, Norman.

Hello Norman thanks for your comments,thats a cracking name “Dog tired” i like that ! If you have
a pic of your lorry pop it on chap.

robthedog:

kmills:
A real Mary Hopkins moment for me, back on page 6. A great picture of Roy Tolley, an owner driver from Hereford. This was IIRC Roy’s second Scania, previously he’d had a LB76. This 110 followed, then a 6x2 140, a 141 and a 142. I’m sure I read on the Southampton thread some time ago that Pat Duffy bought his first 110 off Roy - I think this would have been the one.
Anyway - the Mary Hopkins bit - I didn’t spot it at first, but look closely and you can see Roy’s son in the passenger seat- he had 2 sons, but I’m pretty sure that this is his eldest, who I happened to go to school with. Wow, as my Dad also had a 110 Scania at the time, you can probably guess the topic of conversation at school on many occasions…

I would certainly like to echo the appreciation for Paul Gee and his pictures - DeanB, if you are still in touch, please pass on my delight & gratitude from the other side of the world.

Its a shame Pat is no longer with us he would have been able to fill in a lot of gaps with all the scanias, esp as there are a lot of Southampton photos on this magnificent thread.

Indeed “robthedog” people like Pat and Saviem would have had alot of information they could have shared
with us ! Thanks for your comments,Paul reads the thread most days and appreciates all
the comments !

slatey:
both of the act scanias in the pictures belonged to brain haulage and run out of the Southampton depot on contract the day cab bgk902h (how sad is that)had a nasty accident on the a36 early one morning and was written off. the sleeper opu636p was one off many on that contract hope that helps

Cheers “Slatey” thanks for your input, we havent had a Brain haulage truck on here yet ! Till now.

5thwheel:
Yellow Scammell “Crusader” is run by Corona,the soft drinks manufacturer,name from the past that is too!

David

Heres a better pic of a Corona David !

oiltreader:
Hi Dean, Autocar and Transporters of Wythall, if that was snapped in the Midlands, I think I know where abouts. I had a similar wagon but with an earlier marque 7 car Carrimore trailer. Looking at every post hoping to see Progressive transporters of Coventry, brill thread .
Oily

Now then Oily, The Autocar Transporter Group and Progressive Transporters !

[michel]

The Berliet is a TR 280 because the TR 260 had “trilex” front wheels. We could see that the Berliet badge is on the right side so it was the first version of this model.

[deanb]

michel:
The Berliet is a TR 280 because the TR 260 had “trilex” front wheels. We could see that the Berliet badge is on the right side so it was the first version of this model.

Thanks michel for your comments !

[deanb]

Todays pics.

Seddon 201

Burgess Maggie from Avonmouth.

Tidy Seddon Atkinson ! (But not as tidy as that bird’s arse !)

Malcolm 88 looking good.

Bulmers cider F88. they used to have a hard life non stop double and triple shifted !

Leyland and Mercedes,looks like they have had a hard life.

Another 290 .

Half cab Foden ,looks new.

Jameson Mercedes

[newmercman]

michel:
The Berliet is a TR 280 because the TR 260 had “trilex” front wheels. We could see that the Berliet badge is on the right side so it was the first version of this model.

Haha, I went back and put the TR260 bit in just before I posted, in case I was wrong, should have just left it as it was! Thanks for that Michel, now I know about the Trilex wheels, I won’t make that mistake again.

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[buzzer]

slatey:
both of the act scanias in the pictures belonged to brain haulage and run out of the Southampton depot on contract the day cab bgk902h (how sad is that)had a nasty accident on the a36 early one morning and was written off. the sleeper opu636p was one off many on that contract hope that helps

Les how the devil are you, trust you are enjoying a bit of retirement eh and this new thread takes us all back does it not, moved on now with the new machines as you need to be a computer buff as well as good on the spanners but I think we had the best days and laughs. Longo sat out side your work shop having just come of the ferry sitting in a deck chair with a glass of chilled white wine and simosa’s he bought early AM from the Indian shop round the corner to greet you when you arrived at 7 oclock, oh and not forgetting the cardboard flap window he fitted in Itally after someone smashed it when they broke in to the 111, Mary Hopkin’s moments there cheers JD.

[thelongdrag]

Self lubricating tailgate with small central aperture (when new)the joys of a tipper driver,where are those blood pressure tablets

[cav551]

The Leyland Retriever also had the non reactive bogie linkage located inside the chassis rails. The front brakes also used a large C spring rather than individual brake shoe return coil springs. IIRC the front shoes had camshaft rollers. I never had occasion to remove the rear drums on a Retriever so do not know if they used cam rollers or the Leyland/Albion sliding pads with the wide cam. The O 600 engine was derated slightly in order not to exceed the torque limits of the AEC D 197 gearbox.

Edit: correct error.