PAUL GEE's PHOTO COLLECTION (Part 1)

[deanb]

Thanks “Robthedog” about your comment for the car !

Paul John:
HI Dean. The Deutz pulling the Bell container was GDJ Price from Nash Newport. Iirc Nash is in between Cardiff and Newport on the coast. They also ran a 8 wheel Deutz tipper and a 4 wheeler out of Catnic.
Maldwyn Davies kept that Foden for ever and also a Borderer M reg which I drove a couple of times once to Oxford. A 180 Gardner, I thought I’d never get home, slow but sure.

Answering your question from last week, my family’s motors wouldn’t have had a name on the headboard or specific livery as we never ran more than 4/5 at any one time. During this period the operators license would of been in David John Manufacturing, an engineering company which they worked in. Two local 7.5 tonners would have had hideous stickers on the doors, as they were in and out of customers premises. The rest on general haulage were low key, and when looking for return loads we just went by DJ Transport.
We were always busy heading to the Midlands and back with engineering/steel products for HY-MAC, Henley fork lifts, Crompton Electricars, Triang-Toys, Natural Gas Tubes and a host of small engineering company’s around the Heads of The Valley. Probably the best contract was working for Whitbread Brewery through out the summer and major holidays delivering to the pubs and clubs. A long time ago.

Thanks for the photo’s and memories, although I feel old now!
Paul.

Thanks for your reply Paul ! Some good info there,keep looking as you may see some of your family’s
motors theres lots more to come. I thought the Maldwyn Davies Foden was particularly nice !

Punchy Dan:
The above seddon Atki 8 wheeler loaded with coal looks the part , you can keep the Scammells

Cheers “Punchy Dan”, funny enough i preferred the Borderer 8 wheeler i thought that looked the part !

kmills:

A real Mary Hopkins moment for me, back on page 6. A great picture of Roy Tolley, an owner driver from Hereford. This was IIRC Roy’s second Scania, previously he’d had a LB76. This 110 followed, then a 6x2 140, a 141 and a 142. I’m sure I read on the Southampton thread some time ago that Pat Duffy bought his first 110 off Roy - I think this would have been the one.
Anyway - the Mary Hopkins bit - I didn’t spot it at first, but look closely and you can see Roy’s son in the passenger seat- he had 2 sons, but I’m pretty sure that this is his eldest, who I happened to go to school with. Wow, as my Dad also had a 110 Scania at the time, you can probably guess the topic of conversation at school on many occasions…

I would certainly like to echo the appreciation for Paul Gee and his pictures - DeanB, if you are still in touch, please pass on my delight & gratitude from the other side of the world.

Thanks “kmills” appreciate your reply. That name Roy Tolley rings a bell i have heard it before so i think
you may well be right about it being on the Southampton thread. Keep looking you may see yourself yet
sat in the passenger seat of your dads 110 !! What was the name on the Scania that your dad
drove ?

kmills:

Another quick one from me - my Dad was a South Herefordshire haulier and knew ‘old’ Fred Baldry - he tells me of an occasion when one of Fred’s F86’s was between their base at Orcop and Wormlow, when the driver had an accident and hit a telephone post - but was hardly to blame as the cab had just unexpectedly tilted. The mind boggles!

Thanks again “kmills” Nice story !!! That 86 looks like it was a tad heavy…

coomsey:

BonkeyDollocks:
Indeed Coomsey lad, I was told once it was a one off to celebrate the silver jubilee of '77. It’s a superb photo.

And to Dean - I know a chap that is compiling a book on Tarmac’s history and would love to include the pic in his book. Full copyright details will be included and Paul will be mentioned in the acknowledgements.

Yes B D repainted 77 and driven by John Shepard long serving driver. Went on to new T reg S83 after this un, one of six

Thanks for your input “coomsey”

coomsey:
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coomsey:

Now theres an oddity Spencers out n out ERF men ran 15/20 of em in the 70s tidy fleet
N even odder they’re still going went for Scania now a few Volvos
Cheers Dean/Paul

Sounded good until I found a few more, I know nowt. Spencers were def ERF men wonder why the swap to SedAk
B D Tarmac Reiver trying to hide, I drove one for a while n thought they were a fair bit of kit, never let me down in 9months n ate Gardners for dinner. What was top speed in em can’t remember for the life of me?

Cheers “coomsey”. Nice pic, maybe they got a deal on them Seddons ■■

H H Williams Scania

Seddon Atkinson ,think its a 201 ,Scammell Crusader and DAF

J.H.Bull Foden

Think the DAF is Barker & Mitchell ■■

ACT Scania

Tidy Saviem of A.G.Cull

Lyons tetley 88

Philip Drakhard i think 88

Seddon Atkinson same one as earlier by the looks of it.

Thinks its a Berliet ■■

[bewick]

DEANB:
Morning chaps, hope you have taken your blood pressure tablets this morning !

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T.D.Williams Scammell

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Tidy Hovis Foden

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Nice Borderer,from Swansea.Whats the name Spring ■■

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DAF

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Tidy ERF

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Air products ERF

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ERF, six wheeler,no name ?

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F86 of Kwikform. Whats the car ■■?

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Staveley Lime ERF

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That Borderer from Swansea has caught my eye, am I seeing things or has it both a ■■■■■■■ AND a Gardner badge on the grille ? I notice that it is lumbered with a poxy Seddon axle ! Cheers Bewick.

[bewick]

DEANB:
Paul has just informed me that the yard in the pics with the crane was situated just outside of Monmouth
on the A4136 if that jogs anyones memory ■■?

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The ERF dealer was situated also on the A4136 heading back towards the A40.

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The ERF Dealer would have been Richard Read Commercials I believe. Bewick.

[deanb]

DAF

Sun Valley had a very tidy fleet ,havent seen a rough when yet and theres been a few pics of theres !

Bull nose Merc

AEC transporter

Albion ■■?

AEC tipper.

ARC Leyland with i think a Terrier behind.

Leyland tipper has a good load on !

Thinks its a Unic rather than Fiat.

Possibly owner driver pulling ACT trailer.Same as Scania posted earlier.

[bewick]

DEANB:
DAF

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Sun Valley had a very tidy fleet ,havent seen a rough when yet and theres been a few pics of theres !

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Bull nose Merc

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AEC transporter

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Albion ■■?

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AEC tipper.

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ARC Leyland with i think a Terrier behind.

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Leyland tipper has a good load on !

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Thinks its a Unic rather than Fiat.

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Possibly owner driver pulling ACT trailer.Same as Scania posted earlier.

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The two 6 wheeler Leylands are Retrievers and have the Albion DD axles and they would have had the Leyland 600 engine under the bonnet. Cheers Bewick.

[deanb]

Bewick:

DEANB:
Morning chaps, hope you have taken your blood pressure tablets this morning !

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T.D.Williams Scammell

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Tidy Hovis Foden

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Nice Borderer,from Swansea.Whats the name Spring ■■

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DAF

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Tidy ERF

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Air products ERF

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ERF, six wheeler,no name ?

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F86 of Kwikform. Whats the car ■■?

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Staveley Lime ERF

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That Borderer from Swansea has caught my eye, am I seeing things or has it both a ■■■■■■■ AND a Gardner badge on the grille ? I notice that it is lumbered with a poxy Seddon axle ! Cheers Bewick.

You did well to spot that the Borderer had ■■■■■■■ and Gardner engine badges Dennis !

Bewick:

DEANB:
Paul has just informed me that the yard in the pics with the crane was situated just outside of Monmouth
on the A4136 if that jogs anyones memory ■■?

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The ERF dealer was situated also on the A4136 heading back towards the A40.

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The ERF Dealer would have been Richard Read Commercials I believe. Bewick.

Yes i think you are right Dennis. I posted a pic earlier in the thread and asked the same question.I am
sure Robert will know but i think its Read’s.

[bewick]

The Bull nosed Merc brought back memories of the late 60’s and the notorious Davis Group. Their subsidiary Poulters ran a number of this type as well as their Northern based subsidiary Larrow Transport . At this time the Davis’s were up to their armpits with the Ministry and were eventually put out of business and then Ralph Hilton seemed to take over from them as the main East end operator from 1970. Cheers Bewick.

[thelongdrag]

The Albion is a Reiver and as Dennis says the Leylands are Retrievers. The Leylands never as popular as the Albion Reiver as tippers being a bit heavier. There were droves of Reivers up and down the land as you will all be aware,but I can only remember three Retrievers in the Derbyshire area in the sixties. And they were LAD cabbed tankers in the Hoveringham Stone Dene fleet. Mike.

[bewick]

DEANB:

Limey:
NFA 112P, my father at the wheel. 250 ■■■■■■■■ 9 speed Fuller. Prior to that he had an A Series with the 220 ■■■■■■■ and was given the choice of either a Foden or one of the then new B Series for his next vehicle. Despite my pleading for the S80 option he obviously chose wisely.

98% of its time was spend coupled to a powder tank generally running alternatively to Stanford-le-hope and Motherwell. On this occasion it looks like it had been drafted in to help the tippers and seeing as it is sheeted was most likely on route to one of the steelworks.

Towards the end of its life it was double shifted and finished its days off road moving a 50t scrap compactor around in Leicestershire.

Some vehicle. Some picture. Some effort by Paul and Dean.
Thank you from both myself and the still pulling powder tanks around B Series pilot.

Happy days Limey ! Sounds like it had a hard life !
If you want a pic of it for your old fella PM me your email address and i will
get Paul to send original without copywright on it.

gingerfold:
Spillers leyland

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I cannot quite make out the reg. number on the Buffalo, but it is one of the “headless wonder” 510 engine models, all of which had died by the time I joined Spillers in 1981. We were still running lots of TL11 engine Buffalos then and for the next few years. The tank is interesting, it being a specially built short chassis tank for customers with restricted access in London, of which there were several back then (and still one or two remain today). That tank was usually based at Spillers’ Tilbury mill and had its donkey engine for pressurising the barrel under-slung in mid-chassis of the trailer. It was always Spillers’ policy to have power packs on the tank trailers, usually at the front, rather than on the tractive unit. This gave greater flexibility within the fleet, every tractive unit could pull a tank, and the life of a tank trailer at 15 years was twice that of a tractive unit, so capital costs were lower.

This thread really is a treasure trove of memories, not only of half-forgotten titbits such as the above, but also of names and companies that are no longer around.

I could not agree more “gingerfold” there are some absolute gems on here ! Like you say its intresting
what comes back when you look at these pics,and what you have forgotten until you see some of the
trucks and companies again. Heres another Spillers ,i think its the same truck/trailer and taken in the
same spot,but its definately a different picture.Driver has shirt in first one and vest in second !

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Todays pics.

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Meachers Scammell

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Ford concrete mixer looks like Poole to me.

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Tidy Scania 111

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Roberts from Barnsley 88

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Wycombe haulage DAF, looks like Southampton.

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G & D Cunningham, Man.

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Mighty Transcon,looks like a Ford Granada.

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Plain Scania

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I wonder what kind of load the Roberts F88 had on ? but it sure is a tidy sheeting and rope job and a credit to whoever did it Driver/Shunter, looks like it was “shrink wrapped” Cheers Bewick.

[oiltreader]

Hi Dean, Autocar and Transporters of Wythall, if that was snapped in the Midlands, I think I know where abouts. I had a similar wagon but with an earlier marque 7 car Carrimore trailer. Looking at every post hoping to see Progressive transporters of Coventry, brill thread .
Oily

[coomsey]

After 2yrs of Foden Akky ERF Gardner I got one of these WUT 526J a joy went well nice box comfy relatively quiet and best of all an heater that actually kept you warm.She were 6yr old had her for 9mths never had a spanner on her. She was worked until 1979 n sold on as a working motor abroad I think

[newmercman]

That Unic is probably an OM, the white stripes on the bumper identify it as Italian with a for hire and reward authority, red stripes denote own account. Anyway, no self respecting Italian would buy anything from the other side of the Alps, so it’s unlikely to be a Unic.

Fantastic thread BTW, a real stroll down memory lane.

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[johnfp]

That picture of the Berliet, do you reckon the bloke with the Transit survived?!!!

[newmercman]

It looks like he’s got three legs, or there’s two of them stood there trying to fathom out why the poxy V4 had conked out, looks like it’s up on the central reservation.

The Berliet is a TR280 or even a TR260, the bigger ones had headlights in the bumper.

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[5thwheel]

Yellow Scammell “Crusader” is run by Corona,the soft drinks manufacturer,name from the past that is too!

David

[thelongdrag]

That bullnose Merc.is one of Willie Harrison’s from Canklow-Rotherham
And some jerk has nicked the gun sight of the grill.
I missed this when l first saw it,but spotted it when l was lurking last night Mike.

Borrowed this off his thread.

[rward]

Paul John you mentioned triang toys wat a mad mad place to work regards rowly

[deanb]

Bewick:

The two 6 wheeler Leylands are Retrievers and have the Albion DD axles and they would have had the Leyland 600 engine under the bonnet. Cheers Bewick.
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Cheers for your comments !

Bewick:
The Bull nosed Merc brought back memories of the late 60’s and the notorious Davis Group. Their subsidiary Poulters ran a number of this type as well as their Northern based subsidiary Larrow Transport . At this time the Davis’s were up to their armpits with the Ministry and were eventually put out of business and then Ralph Hilton seemed to take over from them as the main East end operator from 1970. Cheers Bewick.

“up to their armpits with the Ministry”

Bewick:

I wonder what kind of load the Roberts F88 had on ? but it sure is a tidy sheeting and rope job and a credit to whoever did it Driver/Shunter, looks like it was “shrink wrapped” Cheers Bewick.
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Maybe someone from Sheffield way may be able to help, as truck is from Barnsley ■■?

thelongdrag:
The Albion is a Reiver and as Dennis says the Leylands are Retrievers. The Leylands never as popular as the Albion Reiver as tippers being a bit heavier. There were droves of Reivers up and down the land as you will all be aware,but I can only remember three Retrievers in the Derbyshire area in the sixties. And they were LAD cabbed tankers in the Hoveringham Stone Dene fleet. Mike.

Cheers Mike, cant remember seeing them badged as Albions,only Leyland or AEC,mind you i was only a
nipper back in the 70s. !

oiltreader:
Hi Dean, Autocar and Transporters of Wythall, if that was snapped in the Midlands, I think I know where abouts. I had a similar wagon but with an earlier marque 7 car Carrimore trailer. Looking at every post hoping to see Progressive transporters of Coventry, brill thread .
Oily

Thanks Oily, i think you will be right about it being in the Midlands. That does not surprise me as Paul was
telling me he once road a push bike to Manchester/Liverpool from the South Coast in 2 days !!!
That takes some bloody doing ,and he thinks we are mad liking the pics !

coomsey:
After 2yrs of Foden Akky ERF Gardner I got one of these WUT 526J a joy went well nice box comfy relatively quiet and best of all an heater that actually kept you warm.She were 6yr old had her for 9mths never had a spanner on her. She was worked until 1979 n sold on as a working motor abroad I think

Thanks “coomsey” for your comments. Must have been good to get a decent heater. I remember talking to
an old driver who told me he used to wrap newspapers around his legs to try keep warm as the cold wind
used to come up through the pedals etc.

newmercman:
That Unic is probably an OM, the white stripes on the bumper identify it as Italian with a for hire and reward authority, red stripes denote own account. Anyway, no self respecting Italian would buy anything from the other side of the Alps, so it’s unlikely to be a Unic.

Fantastic thread BTW, a real stroll down memory lane.

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You learn something every day i never knew that about the stripes on the bumper ! Thanks for clarifying
that “newmercman”. Its defiantely a stroll down memory lane and it is surprising what you can and cant
remember !

johnfp:
That picture of the Berliet, do you reckon the bloke with the Transit survived?!!!

I must be loosing it “johnfp” i never noticed that when i put it on the thread ! Good point,mind you no
where as much traffic as there is today but still a dodgy place to be !

newmercman:
It looks like he’s got three legs, or there’s two of them stood there trying to fathom out why the poxy V4 had conked out, looks like it’s up on the central reservation.

The Berliet is a TR280 or even a TR260, the bigger ones had headlights in the bumper.

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Think you are right,central reservation ! Is that a Maxi on the motorway !

5thwheel:
Yellow Scammell “Crusader” is run by Corona,the soft drinks manufacturer,name from the past that is too!

David

Cheers David, i think there have been a few of theres on here !

Today pics.

Sean Sutton on head board mighty transcon !

88 tipper.

S.W.Jones from Cardiff Scania Vabis.

Another Welsh one Glyn John transport

Clive price Scania from Hay on Wye !

Fiat,Ford and Scammell.

F.Tearle from luton,looks like on hire to Geest.

Plain Foden

[deanb]

thelongdrag:
That bullnose Merc.is one of Willie Harrison’s from Canklow-Rotherham
And some jerk has nicked the gun sight of the grill.
I missed this when l first saw it,but spotted it when l was lurking last night Mike.

Borrowed this off his thread.

Thanks for the pic Mike and confirming the haulier !

rward:
Paul John you mentioned triang toys wat a mad mad place to work regards rowly

You didnt work there by any chance did you Rowly !!!

A few tippers about today !

Not sure who this company was but we have had a few pics of there Scammells ■■

Cant make the name out on the Foden

F86

Anyone recognise the Seddon Atkinson bulker

ARC Crusader

ERF

Popular motor the 86

Scania,with the bucket on front,which was common back in the 70s.

One of Hoveringham’s finest !

MAN loaded with timber, not clear but i hope there is more than 1 ■■■■■■■■ that top pack of wood !

[gingerfold]

Bewick:
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The two 6 wheeler Leylands are Retrievers and have the Albion DD axles and they would have had the Leyland 600 engine under the bonnet. Cheers Bewick.
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Leyland Retriever’s weren’t that common, probably because of the price of them. Cheaper 6-wheelers were available. Does anyone know if the Albion double-drive rear bogie used for Retrievers was exactly the same as in the Albion Reiver, that is no third diff, so under certain conditions the axles could actually work against each other.