Past Present and in Between in Pictures (Part 1)

eddie_snax · 17 December 2015 11:33

oiltreader:
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oiltreader:
String or belt and braces
Oily

I’m assuming by the captions you gave those 2 pics, that you believe the Montgomery stack(trailers) to be less secure, and Macleod stack to be far better secured.

I’ll add some insight to this.

Myself and Muckles both done this type off work from Crane Fruehauf in Norfolk, many years ago, I’m sure he would concur with what I say.

Montgomery’s stack is new trailers, they have been stacked correctly with the middle 1 reversed, and the top 1 lowered at the front to drop the head board. There is only one concern I would have, that is that the forward most strap has been tensioned at an angle, If this strap had been secured just behind/infront of the running trailer landing legs, that would make for a perfect load.

To be honest we never used to secure the middle trailer as this guy has. We used to run stacks like this from North Walsham (Norfolk) to all over the Country, but the majority went to Boalloy in Congleton, Never in all the time I worked for that haulier(10 yrs) did any trailers come a drift, and we weren’t noted for hanging around.

Macleod’s stack is old trailers, they need more securing, including packing under the landing legs, notice the upturned pallets and sometimes packing under the wheels too, depending on how crappy the floor is. the trailers could suffer from poor brake efficiency on the park brake, and or air leaks, so wheels chocks may be useful. Notice that as these trailers have no head boards, so they are stacked level.

Both these drivers have done a good job, at least from what I see in the pictures

As with so many things in this industry, there are loads of different nuances to what is effectively the same load

oiltreader · 17 December 2015 15:59

eddie snax:

oiltreader:
:o .
Oily

oiltreader:
String or belt and braces
Oily

I’m assuming by the captions you gave those 2 pics, that you believe the Montgomery stack(trailers) to be less secure, and Macleod stack to be far better secured.

I’ll add some insight to this.

Myself and Muckles both done this type off work from Crane Fruehauf in Norfolk, many years ago, I’m sure he would concur with what I say.

Montgomery’s stack is new trailers, they have been stacked correctly with the middle 1 reversed, and the top 1 lowered at the front to drop the head board. There is only one concern I would have, that is that the forward most strap has been tensioned at an angle, If this strap had been secured just behind/infront of the running trailer landing legs, that would make for a perfect load.

To be honest we never used to secure the middle trailer as this guy has. We used to run stacks like this from North Walsham (Norfolk) to all over the Country, but the majority went to Boalloy in Congleton, Never in all the time I worked for that haulier(10 yrs) did any trailers come a drift, and we weren’t noted for hanging around.

Macleod’s stack is old trailers, they need more securing, including packing under the landing legs, notice the upturned pallets and sometimes packing under the wheels too, depending on how crappy the floor is. the trailers could suffer from poor brake efficiency on the park brake, and or air leaks, so wheels chocks may be useful. Notice that as these trailers have no head boards, so they are stacked level.

Both these drivers have done a good job, at least from what I see in the pictures

As with so many things in this industry, there are loads of different nuances to what is effectively the same load

Hi eddie snax, I always respect experience from drivers like yourself and in doing so have learnt much (tho’ a long time ago), also thank you for pointing out the difference in detail between the two “loads”. My comparison was based on a worst case scenario, that if going over, the load would be contained, I also noted the front strap over the top trailer which in forward impact IMHO would render it useless, like I say worst case scenario which may or may not be a VOSA / DVSA requirement.
Cheers
Oily

eddie_snax · 17 December 2015 17:47

oiltreader:

eddie snax:

oiltreader:
:o .
Oily

oiltreader:
String or belt and braces
Oily

I’m assuming by the captions you gave those 2 pics, that you believe the Montgomery stack(trailers) to be less secure, and Macleod stack to be far better secured.

I’ll add some insight to this.

Myself and Muckles both done this type off work from Crane Fruehauf in Norfolk, many years ago, I’m sure he would concur with what I say.

Montgomery’s stack is new trailers, they have been stacked correctly with the middle 1 reversed, and the top 1 lowered at the front to drop the head board. There is only one concern I would have, that is that the forward most strap has been tensioned at an angle, If this strap had been secured just behind/infront of the running trailer landing legs, that would make for a perfect load.

To be honest we never used to secure the middle trailer as this guy has. We used to run stacks like this from North Walsham (Norfolk) to all over the Country, but the majority went to Boalloy in Congleton, Never in all the time I worked for that haulier(10 yrs) did any trailers come a drift, and we weren’t noted for hanging around.

Macleod’s stack is old trailers, they need more securing, including packing under the landing legs, notice the upturned pallets and sometimes packing under the wheels too, depending on how crappy the floor is. the trailers could suffer from poor brake efficiency on the park brake, and or air leaks, so wheels chocks may be useful. Notice that as these trailers have no head boards, so they are stacked level.

Both these drivers have done a good job, at least from what I see in the pictures

As with so many things in this industry, there are loads of different nuances to what is effectively the same load

Hi eddie snax, I always respect experience from drivers like yourself and in doing so have learnt much (tho’ a long time ago), also thank you for pointing out the difference in detail between the two “loads”. My comparison was based on a worst case scenario, that if going over, the load would be contained, I also noted the front strap over the top trailer which in forward impact IMHO would render it useless, like I say worst case scenario which may or may not be a VOSA / DVSA requirement.
Cheers
Oily

Yeah I to find it useful to listen to those who have a skill or experience that I don’t, you can never know everything. That’s why I thought it was a worth while contribution, to pass on something that i’d previously done

Yeah I see what you are saying, but I would think that there comes a point where no matter what you do with straps, they will still fail. I suppose even chains have there tolerances, and customers don’t like to see a new trailer damaged through the use of chains

We were doing this upto the early 2000’s, as that was when Cranes shut at Walsham, back then(that sounds real old) you didn’t have the VOSA/DVSA load restraint matrix card to deal with, or those who would blindly enforce the Matrix card to put it more accurately. Then it was a case of custom and practice, where by, if something did go wrong, providing that you’d followed generaly accepted custom and practice, you could have good grounds for mitigation.

Though I reckon you know about this(custom and practice), as I would think you too worked at a time when common sense prevailed

kevmorrow · 18 December 2015 13:11

eddie snax:

oiltreader:

eddie snax:

oiltreader:
:o .
Oily

oiltreader:
String or belt and braces
Oily

I’m assuming by the captions you gave those 2 pics, that you believe the Montgomery stack(trailers) to be less secure, and Macleod stack to be far better secured.

I’ll add some insight to this.

Myself and Muckles both done this type off work from Crane Fruehauf in Norfolk, many years ago, I’m sure he would concur with what I say.

Montgomery’s stack is new trailers, they have been stacked correctly with the middle 1 reversed, and the top 1 lowered at the front to drop the head board. There is only one concern I would have, that is that the forward most strap has been tensioned at an angle, If this strap had been secured just behind/infront of the running trailer landing legs, that would make for a perfect load.

To be honest we never used to secure the middle trailer as this guy has. We used to run stacks like this from North Walsham (Norfolk) to all over the Country, but the majority went to Boalloy in Congleton, Never in all the time I worked for that haulier(10 yrs) did any trailers come a drift, and we weren’t noted for hanging around.

Macleod’s stack is old trailers, they need more securing, including packing under the landing legs, notice the upturned pallets and sometimes packing under the wheels too, depending on how crappy the floor is. the trailers could suffer from poor brake efficiency on the park brake, and or air leaks, so wheels chocks may be useful. Notice that as these trailers have no head boards, so they are stacked level.

Both these drivers have done a good job, at least from what I see in the pictures

As with so many things in this industry, there are loads of different nuances to what is effectively the same load

Hi eddie snax, I always respect experience from drivers like yourself and in doing so have learnt much (tho’ a long time ago), also thank you for pointing out the difference in detail between the two “loads”. My comparison was based on a worst case scenario, that if going over, the load would be contained, I also noted the front strap over the top trailer which in forward impact IMHO would render it useless, like I say worst case scenario which may or may not be a VOSA / DVSA requirement.
Cheers
Oily

Yeah I to find it useful to listen to those who have a skill or experience that I don’t, you can never know everything. That’s why I thought it was a worth while contribution, to pass on something that i’d previously done

Yeah I see what you are saying, but I would think that there comes a point where no matter what you do with straps, they will still fail. I suppose even chains have there tolerances, and customers don’t like to see a new trailer damaged through the use of chains

We were doing this upto the early 2000’s, as that was when Cranes shut at Walsham, back then(that sounds real old) you didn’t have the VOSA/DVSA load restraint matrix card to deal with, or those who would blindly enforce the Matrix card to put it more accurately. Then it was a case of custom and practice, where by, if something did go wrong, providing that you’d followed generaly accepted custom and practice, you could have good grounds for mitigation.

Though I reckon you know about this(custom and practice), as I would think you too worked at a time when common sense prevailed

Hi Eddie
Never done this type of work but hauled the odd skelly trailer on a flat bed while working at MAT Transport MIFT Trafford Park Manchester. I moved to Kings Lynn Norfolk 1985 and remember Curtis Transport of Castle Rising Kings Lynn, long gone had contract at Crane Fruehauf yard at Dereham adjacent to the A47. Regards Kev Morrow

oiltreader · 18 December 2015 15:39

Dashcam stills from A96 nr Inverness.
Oily

eddie_snax · 18 December 2015 17:13

kevmorrow:
Hi Eddie
Never done this type of work but hauled the odd skelly trailer on a flat bed while working at MAT Transport MIFT Trafford Park Manchester. I moved to Kings Lynn Norfolk 1985 and remember Curtis Transport of Castle Rising Kings Lynn, long gone had contract at Crane Fruehauf yard at Dereham adjacent to the A47. Regards Kev Morrow

Yeah I remember them to, they also used to move tankers for Feldbinders at Sutton Bridge, as did we. Myself and Muckles worked for J W Buxton at North Walsham, JWB were the main Haulier at Cranes Walsham factory, the traffic office for the whole firm was in the back half of the Walsham gatehouse, JWB had several factory transfer jobs, such as a stock transfer run between the 2 factories(walsham & dereham), refered to as the spares trailer. Cranes in their wisdom closed the srayshop at walsham in the late 80’s, then spent the next 15 or so years paying Buxton’s to take trailers to Dereham and other local spray shops for spraying and then returning them for PDI at walsham, before onward delivery to customers, it really was a money spinner. Though I tended to keep out of the way of all that “proper work”, I was mainly subbing to Frans Maas at Great Yarmouth.

Now I look back, I really did enjoy My 10 years working for Buxton’s. and although I left at the end of 2003, I felt a sadness when Buxton shut the gates on the best part of 40 years haulage in 2012

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gardner_120 · 19 December 2015 12:55

Thought I’d sneak these in from 1967/68 - My old man’s Morris 8 Series-E (1947) about to embark on its last journey - winter of '63 he’d rebuilt the engine in the kitchen - had it running like a little sewing machine apparently

The Mk 1 Consul was 1954 and the Mk 2 Consul 375 was 1962 - remember the vivid red bench seat very well as a nipper

Series E ready for scrap04 a.jpg

oiltreader · 20 December 2015 10:26

Thanks to servo88 and Gardner 120 for the pics is that 3 generations of the the family, Gardner 120

Assorted from Western Cape Province, South Africa, thanks to Bob Adams.
Oily

Bob Adams MD Vervoerd Man 7865161782_76c0946052_o jpeg.jpg

buzzer · 20 December 2015 14:58

These shots I took from my face book friend but I know you experts will know the truck from the first picture of the dash but the second two will give you the answer, Buzzer.

gardner_120 · 20 December 2015 16:46

oiltreader:
Thanks to servo88 and Gardner 120 for the pics is that 3 generations of the the family, Gardner 120

No, it’s my two uncles and the white haired gent is grandad - my old man took the photo - I can still smell the Series - E’s leather seats!

albion1938 · 21 December 2015 12:38

Gardner 120:

oiltreader:
Thanks to servo88 and Gardner 120 for the pics is that 3 generations of the the family, Gardner 120

No, it’s my two uncles and the white haired gent is grandad - my old man took the photo - I can still smell the Series - E’s leather seats!

Funny story about a series E Morris. My late brother (lorry driver) had one as a daily driver back in the day, pre-breathalyser. Took his mates out for a Christmas drink, he was driving them home, they’d all had plenty including him. Hammersmith Broadway, collided with a Bedford CA van as they were both changing lanes, took the wing right off the Morris, and when the van driver slid the door open on the van, it fell off it’s runners. He then fell out in the road, so pi55ed he could hardly stand up. They surveyed the damage, the Morris wing was put in the car with my brother’s mates, the door put in the back of the van the two drivers shook hands, wished each other a merry Christmas, and beggared off.
Bernard