Past Present and in Between in Pictures (Part 1)

[lurpak]

Strensham Southbound after the NEC

Couple of others

Cheers Ade

[jmc_jnr]

I had a spell as a mate on low loaders in the sixties. The axle combinations and length of the wagons these days - blimey! Jim.

[oiltreader]

What a fine lot of stuff from coca cola kid, adr, John West ,Guesty44, sammyoposite and lurpak

Now then you “old” boys who’s up for this…Having topped the Eight Zero recently, I was never in doubt, but of course my bias was of self interest and not necessarily how others might perceive how capable I was. An application was made here iam.org.uk/drivers/motorists … -assesment and yesterday was the day. My assessor was an ex traffic policeman. The assessment lasted an hour and the route was of my choosing. Dingwall to Inverness A road and dual carriageway(20 miles), Inverness city streets, a bit manoeuvring, then A road(25 miles) return to Dingwall with a 10 min chat on what could be improved.
I thoroughly enjoyed it and would recommend it if only for the psychological boost that the result I got gave me.
The assessment is on a foolscap sheet, this I have folded to protect personal detail, driving licence, address etc.
Oily
PS the 1 is perfect the 2 is not quite and I can fill in on 2s if anyone is interested.

[guesty44]

oiltreader:
What a fine lot of stuff from coca cola kid, adr, John West ,Guesty44, sammyoposite and lurpak

Now then you “old” boys who’s up for this…Having topped the Eight Zero recently, I was never in doubt, but of course my bias was of self interest and not necessarily how others might perceive how capable I was. An application was made here iam.org.uk/drivers/motorists … -assesment and yesterday was the day. My assessor was an ex traffic policeman. The assessment lasted an hour and the route was of my choosing. Dingwall to Inverness A road and dual carriageway(20 miles), Inverness city streets, a bit manoeuvring, then A road(25 miles) return to Dingwall with a 10 min chat on what could be improved.
I thoroughly enjoyed it and would recommend it if only for the psychological boost that the result I got gave me.
The assessment is on a foolscap sheet, this I have folded to protect personal detail, driving licence, address etc.
Oily
PS the 1 is perfect the 2 is not quite and I can fill in on 2s if anyone is interested.

Them there results would show the younger dvrs that us older ones will allways
be the pioneers.Let me be the first well done oiltrader
GUESTY44,

[old_67]

You didn’t miss out on a " 1 " because you were snapping lorries on your way down the A9 did you ? Just one old boy kidding another, very very well done. Keep the photos coming I really enjoy this thread
Regards. John.

[guesty44]

old 67:
You didn’t miss out on a " 1 " because you were snapping lorries on your way down the A9 did you ? Just one old boy kidding another, very very well done. Keep the photos coming I really enjoy this thread
Regards. John.

Hiya “old 67” Do you think oiltrader was using his browny camera then? (Surely not)
GUESTY44,

[robert1952]

Congratulations Oily! I decided to kill two birds with one stone by taking mine immediately after passing my HGV
test (while I was still well-primed, as it were). My car at the time was a stately old P4 Rover 95. Robert

[retired_old_fart]

Well done, Oily. How about the rest of us “over 60s” doing the assessment?
Unless, of course, we’re all scared of failure.

[erfguy]

From one Eddie to another Eddie Congratulations and Lang May Your Lum Reek. Eddie.

[buzzer]

Evening gentlemen does any one know about this make of truck ? (off FB) it has a Cornish registration, cheers Buzzer.

[robert1952]

Buzzer:
Evening gentlemen does any one know about this make of truck ? (off FB) it has a Cornish registration, cheers Buzzer.

It looks like a Rowe Hillmaster…A Cornish manufacturer that made them from about 1953 to 1962. Robert

[backsplice]

oiltreader:
What a fine lot of stuff from coca cola kid, adr, John West ,Guesty44, sammyoposite and lurpak
Now then you “old” boys who’s up for this…Having topped the Eight Zero recently, I was never in doubt, but of course my bias was of self interest and not necessarily how others might perceive how capable I was. An application was made here iam.org.uk/drivers/motorists … -assesment and yesterday was the day. My assessor was an ex traffic policeman. The assessment lasted an hour and the route was of my choosing. Dingwall to Inverness A road and dual carriageway(20 miles), Inverness city streets, a bit manoeuvring, then A road(25 miles) return to Dingwall with a 10 min chat on what could be improved.
I thoroughly enjoyed it and would recommend it if only for the psychological boost that the result I got gave me.
The assessment is on a foolscap sheet, this I have folded to protect personal detail, driving licence, address etc.
Oily
PS the 1 is perfect the 2 is not quite and I can fill in on 2s if anyone is interested.

Well done Oily yer a hardy lad fae the North keep it up and stay between the white lines

[coca_cola_kid]

A few more from Chas Braham collection

[truckfing]

Rowe’s were indeed made in Cornwall and several seem to have survived into
preservation. The registration on what I believe was the only artic didn’t make
it though. The book lists every one ever made. PS well done on the driving
assessment Oily.

[saviem]

adr:
MAN/SAVIEM used the same cab! Did the SAVIEM have the column-change gear shift like the MAN? Regards Chris

Evening all,

Oily. some super pictures on here, thank you, and also to everyone who posts.

That Saviem SM32.240 looks like a Nickerson Commercial Vehicles Demonstrator, our first importer into the UK, (and what a superb bunch of people). Colin Tickner et his wife were the head of the company from Gt Ducie Street Manchester, having made their money in oil, and ran a transport subsidiary from Grange Lane North, Scunthorpe, which became their HQ.

Sales were headed by Arvian Lewellyn Jones, and Service by Michael North Cotes, both 100% men, one a former Parachute Major, (dropped atPegasus Bridge, and the other a Navy man in support at D Day). The first lorries imported were the 32.240, (suited Nickersons own tipper fleet, …light, and low power), then came the 36.280, (made by putting the later 240 hp MAN lump into the lighter frame…made a bit of a hot shot…with screaming turbo)! And then “we” took over importation, my old friend Daniel Laffly coming from Suresnes to Manchester, (Trafford Park, the old Tillotson dealership), as Assistant M.D. to an, (inebrieated), ex Renault UK Ron Spears, as MD…what a ■■■■ up!!!

But we got there in the end…To the mechanics…that gearchange on the column was pure Renault…started with the “Fainart”, (lazy, because the engine was under the chassis, and LOW horsepower…Shetland Poney`s)! Really quick, when you got used to it…up for 1st and second, …let it drop into third and fourth…then down for fifth and sixth…and in the case of the ZF GV range, the splitter was right next to your finger…same as on Saviems own 360 10 Speed synchro. Main advantage was cross cab access, and the changes were very quick.

Really “we” were very remis in the UK market, TKM the MAN Distributer imported the current models, where the Management in Suresnes, saw a way of “getting rid” of the older low horsepower engines into the UK…yet the market share for the Scania 80/81 was really the market that the SM32.240 was aimed at…along with its old lock actuator braking system…two parking levers…I never figured that out myself !!!

Oily, I did the assessment back when I reached mid…well a few years below you! Its a great confidence booster, but my assessor…ex Police…was an arrogant chappie…and we choose to disagree when I bet him a tenner, that he could not go backwards on his mirrors as far as I could…with a trailer behind the Land Rover…not relevant said he…oh relevant, so relevant said I…everyone can go forward, and at great speed…but how many can go back■■?

Congratulations…both on your driving…and on this excellent thread…

Cheerio for now.

[adr]

oiltreader:
What a fine lot of stuff from coca cola kid, adr, John West ,Guesty44, sammyoposite and lurpak

Now then you “old” boys who’s up for this…Having topped the Eight Zero recently, I was never in doubt, but of course my bias was of self interest and not necessarily how others might perceive how capable I was. An application was made here iam.org.uk/drivers/motorists … -assesment and yesterday was the day. My assessor was an ex traffic policeman. The assessment lasted an hour and the route was of my choosing. Dingwall to Inverness A road and dual carriageway(20 miles), Inverness city streets, a bit manoeuvring, then A road(25 miles) return to Dingwall with a 10 min chat on what could be improved.
I thoroughly enjoyed it and would recommend it if only for the psychological boost that the result I got gave me.
The assessment is on a foolscap sheet, this I have folded to protect personal detail, driving licence, address etc.
Oily
PS the 1 is perfect the 2 is not quite and I can fill in on 2s if anyone is interested.

Hi Eddie, nice 1 mate, there’s life in the old dog yet, just shows if you learn it the hard/proper way it stays with you . Can’t see my old Dad doing that if he was still around, not that he would have worried about his driving, as you know he was pretty tasty at that, but he would have been afraid that with it being done by “Plod”, ex or not, that there would have been a vehicle inspection involved, cos the Old Man would have been sure to have something in the boot that shouldn’t be there Take care, Regards Chris

[john_west]

Saviem:

adr:
MAN/SAVIEM used the same cab! Did the SAVIEM have the column-change gear shift like the MAN? Regards Chris

Evening all,

Oily. some super pictures on here, thank you, and also to everyone who posts.

That Saviem SM32.240 looks like a Nickerson Commercial Vehicles Demonstrator, our first importer into the UK, (and what a superb bunch of people). Colin Tickner et his wife were the head of the company from Gt Ducie Street Manchester, having made their money in oil, and ran a transport subsidiary from Grange Lane North, Scunthorpe, which became their HQ.

Sales were headed by Arvian Lewellyn Jones, and Service by Michael North Cotes, both 100% men, one a former Parachute Major, (dropped atPegasus Bridge, and the other a Navy man in support at D Day). The first lorries imported were the 32.240, (suited Nickersons own tipper fleet, …light, and low power), then came the 36.280, (made by putting the later 240 hp MAN lump into the lighter frame…made a bit of a hot shot…with screaming turbo)! And then “we” took over importation, my old friend Daniel Laffly coming from Suresnes to Manchester, (Trafford Park, the old Tillotson dealership), as Assistant M.D. to an, (inebrieated), ex Renault UK Ron Spears, as MD…what a ■■■■ up!!!

But we got there in the end…To the mechanics…that gearchange on the column was pure Renault…started with the “Fainart”, (lazy, because the engine was under the chassis, and LOW horsepower…Shetland Poney`s)! Really quick, when you got used to it…up for 1st and second, …let it drop into third and fourth…then down for fifth and sixth…and in the case of the ZF GV range, the splitter was right next to your finger…same as on Saviems own 360 10 Speed synchro. Main advantage was cross cab access, and the changes were very quick.

Really “we” were very remis in the UK market, TKM the MAN Distributer imported the current models, where the Management in Suresnes, saw a way of “getting rid” of the older low horsepower engines into the UK…yet the market share for the Scania 80/81 was really the market that the SM32.240 was aimed at…along with its old lock actuator braking system…two parking levers…I never figured that out myself !!!

Oily, I did the assessment back when I reached mid…well a few years below you! Its a great confidence booster, but my assessor…ex Police…was an arrogant chappie…and we choose to disagree when I bet him a tenner, that he could not go backwards on his mirrors as far as I could…with a trailer behind the Land Rover…not relevant said he…oh relevant, so relevant said I…everyone can go forward, and at great speed…but how many can go back■■?

Congratulations…both on your driving…and on this excellent thread…

Cheerio for now.

Interesting stuff Saviem!

You can maybe help me understand the thinking behind the handbrake. It was a bit like the old fashioned car handbrake, except that it pulled up from below the dash. As said, when you let go of the handle it remained in the upright position, settling back slightly. However Mine was only about 12 months old and it never worked!

Not a problem in Saudi, except that it would have been better with a handbrake. I asked the Man dealer chief mechanic, who was a German, if he could fix it and he gave a Teutonic shrug and said it was Saviem, not MAN.

Apart from that and the fact that the radiator was too small for the Middle east, meaning you couldn’t get it anywhere near top gear in Summer, it was a good reliable truck.

John.

[oiltreader]

Thanks for the congratulation posts , got my certificate in PDF form today.
Here’s a couple of situations where 1s became 2s, first on dual carriageway city centre to A9 and 30mph limit, me well a tad over, second on A862 Inverness/Dingwall and time trial road racing, lots of bikes and drawn to my attention on debrief, not giving a wide enough berth, also when manoeuvring I was crossing my arms, should have fed the wheel through, my excuse was in olden days if you didn’t cross your arms the “power steering” didn’t work
Anyway he was a thoroughly nice chap, telling me his dad, many years ago was a lorry driver with Sayers of Brough.
I really would like to hear that some of you might give it a go, as Saviem said, gives the old confidence a boost.
Next post back to wagons, promise.
Oily

[oiltreader]

Thanks to Buzzer, coca cola kid and truckfing for the pics and Saviem for his ever precise info this time MAN uk
A while back I posted some of the following, so for Buzzer and anyone else, also info here bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld … WNRSby0XfA
and a fine collection here flickr.com/groups/1763646@N20/.
Oily

[oiltreader]

Paul Heavy Mover HM80 570, engineered in Passau, Lower Bavaria by Paul Nutzfahrzeuge GmbH and based on Merc Actros with V8 for Oil and Gas Field work.
Oily