orys:
If you aim at me, I am not saying that you should cut costs to Bulgarian level. I am just trying to say that since Polish rates are already up significantly, you can start thinking about competing with them (not with Romanians) on rates you run.
OK, it must be me then cos I can’t see how we can make money on export haulage rates set by Bulgarian’s, but only cut costs to the levels of the Polish fleet?? (if indeed they are MUCH higher than the ‘Bulgies’ running costs!!)
Clearly I’m not of sufficient intellect to understand how an English haulier can make any profit running trucks on Bulgarian rates but working on costs much higher than the Bulgarian hauliers we’ll be stealing the work back off!!
Please explain from your intellectual glass tower how we can make money from running to Valencia from Yorkshire for 900 euro’s? Please, please, please!!!
limeyphil:
there are plenty of loads in and out of eastern europe, but the reason we arn’t doing them is because most of the work can’t be done by lazy screwdrivers. the rate out there is better than uk domestic work.
So, pray tell, why every square inch of parking space outside the dock @ Killingholme is chocker with Bulgarian, Latvian & Lithuanian registered tractor units all weekend with dirty, unwashed looking blokes sitting in groups on deckchairs supping wine & eating together if the international work to & from their home countries is much better than UK ‘ferry trailer’ rates■■?
I was driving for Eagle Freight of Gt Blakenham nr Ipswich, cant remember the year but long time ago, my old Volvo was rebuilt from two or three donor trucks and never had a speed limiter (clue?).
Do you know a bloke called Sean? Shortish, very funny, blew his face up with a gas cooker he bought in Belarus one Christmas, about 1995 ish.
It was before then Harry but for the life of me I cannot remember when. I wasn’t there that long really just a few month if that long,
but the Pakistani fellow who owned the outfit must have been a precursor to the modern day Latvians Lithunians Estonian ones who work away for weeks at a time 'cos he wanted me to run from Europort to Bailystok (IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU ORYS !!!) for about 6 to 8 weeks at a time. He was also thinking of starting to run overland to Pakistan but don’t know whether he ever got that up and running.
Now going back over all of Orys posts just to see that his perfect English spelling put all mine to shame.
ps I aint no expert in nuffink, but I have a good pair of eyes and can see the way things are now in comparison to the way they were. Gorbechov dismantling the eastern bloc and the formation of the EU and allowing free entry to all an every tom ■■■■ an harry to be subsidised at our expense and then to be able to come an wreck our employment and industry is a complete and utter balls up. Just my blinkered view and will be miles away from your truth.
bigr250:
Clearly I’m not of sufficient intellect to understand how an English haulier can make any profit running trucks on Bulgarian rates but working on costs much higher than the Bulgarian hauliers we’ll be stealing the work back off!!
Please explain from your intellectual glass tower how we can make money from running to Valencia from Yorkshire for 900 euro’s? Please, please, please!!!
Yeah, obviously reading English with understanding is not the strongest field of British people…
I told clearly that nor English, nor Polish hauliers cant compete with Bulgarians (by now, as in a few years they will also come up to the higher level, just as Poles, Czechs or Hungarians did). But since Polish hauliers still have plenty of jobs (about of which you complain all the time), there are obviously still jobs on the market at rates that can be profitable to the haulier who does not pays his drivers 20 cents per hour… Therefore there is still a big chunk of market that British hauliers can compete.
Also: when 10 new countries entered EU in 2004, it was enormous impact. In 2007 only two new countries entered.
So in 2004 you had a situation when there was 15 old countries and 10 new countries who were able to dominate the market.
Now you have a situation when there is 25 old countries and 2 new countries joined. I hope you see what difference in proportion there is: Bulgarians and Romanians simply won’t be able to dominate the market, because it is not enough of them to cover all the haulage market in the whole EU.
Ray: no, you still spelled it wrongly… I give you a tip: I spelled it correctly in my post before, just copy and paste it if repeating 9 letters is too much for you
Orys you put yourself up as an authority on all things eastern but get your degree on " eastern Europe" in a uk university ! Ironic !
Whilst you do make some valid points on the current state of affairs you will not concede that Poland etc drove a bloody great nail into uk international ltd. and until you concede that point you will continue to be shot down.
No doubt you will now write a 3 page essay about something vaguely on topic to try and disprove this fact.
turnip:
Orys you put yourself up as an authority on all things eastern but get your degree on " eastern Europe" in a uk university ! Ironic !
yeah, sometimes I laugh at this myself. See I picked this as a “third option” to my language studies, as I was living in UK for some years already and I was amused with that lack of knowledge on the subject here… I thought it will be amusing to listen to all this Britons who have absolutely no idea what they talk about. It turned out that it is actually very good departament with quality teaching and good researchers and great option of studying, so I swapped my French studies for it and made it my main subject of studies.
So as you can see from my own example, sometimes closer look into the things can change your opinion about something - therefore I really encourage you to do so when it comes to Eastern Europe
Whilst you do make some valid points on the current state of affairs
At least!!! Someone reads my posts with understanding!
you will not concede that Poland etc drove a bloody great nail into uk international ltd.
As I told several times, the influx of Polish (and other EE hauliers) was a significant factor for your current situation. But not the only one.
and until you concede that point you will continue to be shot down.
Is that a blackmail? Actually to make such threats you would have to be actually able to shoot me down. Stupid comments showing someone’s ignorance are not making much impact on what I say
No doubt you will now write a 3 page essay about something vaguely on topic to try and disprove this fact.
I wish the clock could be turned back to when the commie bloc existed and there were real borders and in the case of the iron curtain, guards situated every 100 yard or so with guns pointing to the east to keep the locals in and not at us in case we try to invade them like they are doing to us here now.
raymundo:
I wish the clock could be turned back to when the commie bloc existed and there were real borders and in the case of the iron curtain, guards situated every 100 yard or so with guns pointing to the east to keep the locals in and not at us in case we try to invade them like they are doing to us here now.
I wish the clock could be turned back to Yalta times and the British with USA did not sold Eastern Europe to Stalin… Then we will all have level playing ground for all that years and we will all be equal partners… I would be coming from the big, rich family as my grandparents food factory would be propably bigger than Baxters by now…
…but it wont happen. The history is the past. We have to deal with our present now. Deal with it.
orys:
If you aim at me, I am not saying that you should cut costs to Bulgarian level. I am just trying to say that since Polish rates are already up significantly, you can start thinking about competing with them (not with Romanians) on rates you run.
OK, it must be me then cos I can’t see how we can make money on export haulage rates set by Bulgarian’s, but only cut costs to the levels of the Polish fleet?? (if indeed they are MUCH higher than the ‘Bulgies’ running costs!!)
Clearly I’m not of sufficient intellect to understand how an English haulier can make any profit running trucks on Bulgarian rates but working on costs much higher than the Bulgarian hauliers we’ll be stealing the work back off!!
Please explain from your intellectual glass tower how we can make money from running to Valencia from Yorkshire for 900 euro’s? Please, please, please!!!
limeyphil:
there are plenty of loads in and out of eastern europe, but the reason we arn’t doing them is because most of the work can’t be done by lazy screwdrivers. the rate out there is better than uk domestic work.
So, pray tell, why every square inch of parking space outside the dock @ Killingholme is chocker with Bulgarian, Latvian & Lithuanian registered tractor units all weekend with dirty, unwashed looking blokes sitting in groups on deckchairs supping wine & eating together if the international work to & from their home countries is much better than UK ‘ferry trailer’ rates■■?
Ross.
I really doubt that you see a lot of them, in avarage I see one or two lorries every two weeks. Its a lot more profitable to run LV - Italy - LV - Russia doing groupage, because if you have 1300l fuel tanks, you can do all that on Russian diesel.
Oh and another thing that, at least Latvian companies do is they have very strict fuel limits, which most old Europe countries dont have.
P.S. Orys seriously, stop writing those long essays.
Harry Monk:
What you have to remember Orys, is that if it wasn’t for the British, you would all be wearing Lederhosen and singing the Horst Wessel song.
3rd of September 1939, Nev Chamberlain had a few words to say about that;
Harry Monk:
What you have to remember Orys, is that if it wasn’t for the British, you would all be wearing Lederhosen and singing the Horst Wessel song.
Harry, we’ve been through that discussion before, I just remind you, thats it is in ENGLISH language where Yalta conference is referred to as Western Betrayal…
youtube.com/watch?v=0y60xvkJ8ko there is another famous quote from your Prime Minister…
“Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed, by so many, to so few”
But we were through all this historical discusion… Can we just focus on present?
orys:
If you aim at me, I am not saying that you should cut costs to Bulgarian level. I am just trying to say that since Polish rates are already up significantly, you can start thinking about competing with them (not with Romanians) on rates you run.
OK, it must be me then cos I can’t see how we can make money on export haulage rates set by Bulgarian’s, but only cut costs to the levels of the Polish fleet?? (if indeed they are MUCH higher than the ‘Bulgies’ running costs!!)
Clearly I’m not of sufficient intellect to understand how an English haulier can make any profit running trucks on Bulgarian rates but working on costs much higher than the Bulgarian hauliers we’ll be stealing the work back off!!
Please explain from your intellectual glass tower how we can make money from running to Valencia from Yorkshire for 900 euro’s? Please, please, please!!!
limeyphil:
there are plenty of loads in and out of eastern europe, but the reason we arn’t doing them is because most of the work can’t be done by lazy screwdrivers. the rate out there is better than uk domestic work.
So, pray tell, why every square inch of parking space outside the dock @ Killingholme is chocker with Bulgarian, Latvian & Lithuanian registered tractor units all weekend with dirty, unwashed looking blokes sitting in groups on deckchairs supping wine & eating together if the international work to & from their home countries is much better than UK ‘ferry trailer’ rates■■?
Ross.
I really doubt that you see a lot of them, in avarage I see one or two lorries every two weeks. Its a lot more profitable to run LV - Italy - LV - Russia doing groupage, because if you have 1300l fuel tanks, you can do all that on Russian diesel.
Oh and another thing that, at least Latvian companies do is they have very strict fuel limits, which most old Europe countries dont have.
P.S. Orys seriously, stop writing those long essays.
Riho:
I really doubt that you see a lot of them, in avarage I see one or two lorries every two weeks. Its a lot more profitable to run LV - Italy - LV - Russia doing groupage, because if you have 1300l fuel tanks, you can do all that on Russian diesel.
Oh and another thing that, at least Latvian companies do is they have very strict fuel limits, which most old Europe countries dont have.
P.S. Orys seriously, stop writing those long essays.
I’m not going to fall out or try to be specific in the ammount of ‘RU’s’, ‘LT’s’ & ‘LV’s’ but my point is that these vehicles are working over here pulling ferry trailers for the likes of Andreas Andresen double manned week in week out, commiting cabotage offences regularly & it would seem without the problems some Irish firms are having in South Wales.
bigr250:
I’m not going to fall out or try to be specific in the ammount of ‘RU’s’, ‘LT’s’ & ‘LV’s’ but my point is that these vehicles are working over here pulling ferry trailers for the likes of Andreas Andresen double manned week in week out, commiting cabotage offences regularly & it would seem without the problems some Irish firms are having in South Wales.
Ross.
Some time ago the law changed saying that they have right to do three local jobs before they will have to leave…
In my view by introducing this law, British Goverment shoot himself in the feet…
Btw, a wee off topic: I wanted to ask it the other day: there are some irish companies working on Scottish roads, laying tarmac and such… Does using Irish registered tipper to lay tarmac not comes under cabbotage law? Or it is not really transport so different rules apply?
orys:
Mercedes has to be really cheap in Poland if they can afford brand new ones while running on Bulgarian rates
What can I say orys, you’ve got us there!!! If indeed all Polish hauliers are running brand new Mercedes tractor units they must be really well run profitable companies & I’ve got it completely wrong!!
BTW, come into Liverpool & look at some of the trucks bringing scrap metal into the docks, the other day I saw two brand new FH16’s pulling spanking new trailers so the scrap job must be paying a fortune eh? But what about the firms carrying scrap into the port behind 15 & 18yr old ERF’s & Fodens??
No, too comlicated for my little brain!!!
Ross.
PS, when you get your degree, scan & post it up here & we’ll have a little ‘willy measuring’ competition & see how it compares to my two But I’m just another thick scouser
orys:
Btw, a wee off topic: I wanted to ask it the other day: there are some irish companies working on Scottish roads, laying tarmac and such… Does using Irish registered tipper to lay tarmac not comes under cabbotage law? Or it is not really transport so different rules apply?
The goods will be carried under ‘own account’ regs not ‘hire & reward’ therefore not under coabotage regulations.
bigr250:
So, pray tell, why every square inch of parking space outside the dock @ Killingholme is chocker with Bulgarian, Latvian & Lithuanian registered tractor units all weekend with dirty, unwashed looking blokes sitting in groups on deckchairs supping wine & eating together
bigr250:
The goods will be carried under ‘own account’ regs not ‘hire & reward’ therefore not under coabotage regulations.
Ross.
Thanks!
As for unwashed blokes, they are washed when weekending in France, Germany or Poland… Propably it has something to do with lack of facilities for truckers in UK
But I’m just another thick scouser