Operating a british truck from Eastern Europe

raymundo:
Ninite Orys, you carry on dreaming of the utopia that you think is Poland while I fall asleep thinking of how I can get one of my own countrymen to do the same job that yours will do for a ■■■■ sight less than the going rate therefore ruining it for everyone else. Sweet dreams xxxxx

If for you “normal country” is “utopia” then I guess you have worse opinion on UK than I have… :slight_smile:

bigvern1:
Now you’ve gone and done it Raymundo. Better get your reading glasses on. He’ll be along with every wonderous thing he can recall about Poland now. :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

Wrote something stupid again and had to delete it? :slight_smile:

gazza1970:
orys why the hell are you still living in the uk?

That question was answered already, even in this thread.

bigvern1:
He will of course deny this…MORE MONEY! :wink:

Another example: I denied it, off course, because it is not true (I had a pretty good job as IT journalist before I came here), but bigvern don’t care what I say - HE knows BETTER. :slight_smile:

GBPub:
And no doubt free and better higher education!

Yes, I do value British education, altough, again, its not about money - education in Poland is also free. But quality of teaching here is better.

All ■■■■■■■■. Go bore someone else.

orys
your one man who is bitter and twisted with serious issues about english people. :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp:

gazza1970:
orys
your one man who is bitter and twisted with serious issues about english people. :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp:

Indeed. That why I all the time start topics about how crap English people are and whenever possible I blame them for all the problems my country has from low employment rates, low wages and work ethics to public health, schooling and ortography of my native language :slight_smile:

orys:

gazza1970:
orys
your one man who is bitter and twisted with serious issues about english people. :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp:

Indeed. That why I all the time start topics about how crap English people are and whenever possible I blame them for all the problems my country has from low employment rates, low wages and work ethics to public health, schooling and ortography of my native language :slight_smile:

Speaking of language…x2 English words I can think of…

Vern,
Have been sat pondering here for hours your posts about all the good things about Poland, ruined my day and I can only think of two … one is the road out and the second one is making sure you are out :wink:
Credit to Orys though for sticking up for his own.
Btw, the Polish mate I was expecting on the ship is no longer coming so it looks like I will have to put up with a Brit for a bit longer, I’m crying here … NOT :exclamation:

ps Orys …what is ‘ortography’ ?

raymundo:
ps Orys …what is ‘ortography’ ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthography

It’s orthography spelled wrongly by me by forgetting to put additional h :slight_smile:

As for your Polish sailor friend - as you might remember from our another discussion, I do have some sailor friend as well. He used to visit us when he was going to Aberdeen for his contracts on this off-shore (or however you call it) ships, but he no longer takes contracts from British companies, as he claims they don’t pay him well enough and has found some better options in Denmark… Now you say your Polish friend is also not coming…

That would bring to mind another English saying “pay peanuts, get monkeys” which would explain your adventures with Polish drunken sailors…

I am completely unfalimiar with that job market, but I know that unlike other workers, sailors can get job on the ship belonging to any country relatively easy if they are good… So (and this is serious question, not another pulling the rope to my side thing) do you recon there might be something in it? Please, just answer it seriously, I rely on your knowledge on that, so if you say its not the case I will just accept it.

Orys, take some friendly advice from someone that’s been in a similar situation. Step back, take a break. I got dragged so far into arguments with the likes of Carryfast that I couldn’t stop. The thing is I didn’t make one person on this forum change their mind, and I alienated many with my rants. You want to defend your country and people and maybe make people see your point, but you’ve gone so far the other way you are now turning people off, just like I did. You won’t change most people mind on this subject, but you are suceeding in making people dislike you and even compare you to Carryfast.

Oh and one final tip, dont attack the UK so much. I know you say good things too but they are buried by you saying things like how dirty the UK is. We are allowed to criticise our own country but others can’t. Much like a black man can call another black man a ■■■■■■ but you or i certainly can’t. Or how i could call a fellow gay person queer or a ■■■■ but its frowned upon if you did.

Like me you need a break from Trucknet. Trust me, its good for you.

Switchlogic:

I had a break recently. But now I spent all days on the computer due to my work, and I need some break from time to time - thats why I “waste” time on this discussions. I know that I don’t change the stubborn ones, but the wise ones will at least learn something - you have to admit, that thanks to our discussions your perception of Poland has changed, isn’t it?

As for the likes like bigvern, well, I won’t be missing them if I alienate them.

And last thing: I do not attack UK at all. I just tell my opinion and point out some facts. The problem lies somewhere else: as you mentioned, YOU are allowed to criticize your country but others can’t. This is very British thing, I don’t know that from Poland or friends of other nations I have (Hungarians, Italians, Czechs, Croats, Germans…)/ We can discuss similarities and differences between our countries freely, we can point out what we like and what we dont’ like in each other countries without any problems. This is very hard thing to do with Britons. Therefore because you don’t give the right to other nations to speak about your country unless they praise it and speak in briliant superlatives, you feel that everything else is an “attack” on your country. Believe me, it is not. So, to put it in some ugly words, if you feel that everyone who don’t speak exclusively in superlatives about yoru country is attacking it, it’s YOUR problem, not mine.

It’s not my fault, that when I say “Scotland is one of the most beautiful countries in the world, what the shame that main cities are so littered” yous hear only second part and react accordingly. I am not attacking you - I am just giving my opinion, to which I am entitled to, no matter if you like it or not.

And if you took step back, look at my post now. I only oppose to the critics of Poland, when it is unjust (and I can prove it) or when its based on generalisations and hurting assumption. If you point our rightly, I will agree with you… The problem here is that most of the people have not enough knowledge to point out the real faults in Poland, as they are not interested to learn anything about any country east from Odra river… So they just stick to the same old cookie all the time…

I really value your friendly advice and I am realy grateful for that you speak to me as to friend, and I know you are right, there is no point to get dragged into such discussions, except for when I just need to reset from what I am working on :slight_smile: For that - such discussion are brilliant. And also, you can learn a lot. I learned a lot about British culture and British way of thinking here on trucknet - exactly because in this discussions Britons do not hide what they really think. Also, I learn something from time to time, for example my last question to raymundo is fully serious…

So thanks, and don’t worry, I am all right :slight_smile:

I know its a very British thing that’s why I mentioned it. You may not be attacking the UK but that is how its seen. And if its seen that way they people think its an attack. Trust me it does you no favours.

I’ll just leave you with this final thought. Not so long ago lots of people thought ‘Switchlogic, he’s ok’ (mosty!) on this forum, but after my behaviour over the past year plenty now think I’m a complete ■■■■■ and Fair enough I suppose. But if I could go back I would and I’d leave the likes of Carryfast to his racism and have my reputation of being an ok chap intact. But hey ho such is life. I burnt myself out on here and i dont see me ever being a prolific poster again.

Cant for the life of me see why you bother about the likes of carryfast types. Theres a significant majority on here miss your videos and general comments, also same to be said for Coffeeholic I reckon, just my tuppence worth.

switchlogic:
I know its a very British thing that’s why I mentioned it. You may not be attacking the UK but that is how its seen. And if its seen that way they people think its an attack. Trust me it does you no favours.

I’ll just leave you with this final thought. Not so long ago lots of people thought ‘Switchlogic, he’s ok’ (mosty!) on this forum, but after my behaviour over the past year plenty now think I’m a complete ■■■■■ and Fair enough I suppose. But if I could go back I would and I’d leave the likes of Carryfast to his racism and have my reputation of being an ok chap intact. But hey ho such is life. I burnt myself out on here and i dont see me ever being a prolific poster again.

So we do agree, its a British problem, not mine… If I have to be the one that trucknet will learn how to become open onto foreign culture, let it be…

For me I value you more after all this discussions we had - you were playing hard, but never telling any crap like the others, always using clear arguments and your mind was open. And I know I am not the only one here who thinks so… So don’t judge your times here so badly :slight_smile: Oh, short walk just said the same, see?

I don’t slag your country or people. ALL you do is rubbish our country. I am sick of it. If you don’t like it…The lift to Dover still stands. GRATIS!

not just members on here who have the same thoughts…

kentucky.com/2012/09/24/2348 … -from.html

over to you Orys…

Did you actually read the whole article?

Under the slogan ''Equal wages for equal jobs!" they called on the EU to clamp down on illegal practices with tougher checks, and make sure that east European truckers get the same pay as those in Western Europe.

I am 100% with them!

orys:
Did you actually read the whole article?

Under the slogan ''Equal wages for equal jobs!" they called on the EU to clamp down on illegal practices with tougher checks, and make sure that east European truckers get the same pay as those in Western Europe.

I am 100% with them!

I am too !! I doubt the OP understood the ramifications of the article whether or not he read the whole of it. If everyone got the same pay, there would be no need to import half the stuff we do. That would put a lot of them out of work for a start !! :smiley:
Just imagine where it could all lead to…you can’t import tomatoes from EE as it puts WE tomatoe growers out of business etc…you get the idea…
We could call back all the industries we outsourced to EE as the competition is ‘unfair’ due to social legislation …LOL !!!

Mike-C:
I am too !! I doubt the OP understood the ramifications of the article whether or not he read the whole of it. If everyone got the same pay, there would be no need to import half the stuff we do. That would put a lot of them out of work for a start !! :smiley:
Just imagine where it could all lead to…you can’t import tomatoes from EE as it puts WE tomatoe growers out of business etc…you get the idea…
We could call back all the industries we outsourced to EE as the competition is ‘unfair’ due to social legislation …LOL !!!

Yeah… Good luck with growing your own oranges, olives and grapes in UK :slight_smile:

Even despite equal pays there will still be need for transport of farm products - for example because land in Eastern Europe (or Spain for that matter) is much cheaper and weather more friendly to many fruits, crops and vegetables… And if there would be as well equal subsidies from EU, your farmers would not be able to stand against Eastern European or Spanish ones due to the costs they have to face.

As for exporting factories, there will be indeed no need to do it, but if you want to sell products both in EE and UK it does not matter where you manufacture them, you will have to transport them either way…

So I am not afraid, bring it all, equal pay to everyone… As so far, the only thing EU introduced in EE is that “equal prices to everyone” thingy…

orys:
Yeah… Good luck with growing your own oranges, olives and grapes in UK :slight_smile:

Of course we don’t have the climate for them. We don’t really have the climate for year round tomatos, but we still get them from Poland year round because they can be produced cheaper there, and Poland doesn’t have the climate for them year round either.

orys:
Even despite equal pays there will still be need for transport of farm products - for example because land in Eastern Europe (or Spain for that matter) is much cheaper and weather more friendly to many fruits, crops and vegetables… And if there would be as well equal subsidies from EU, your farmers would not be able to stand against Eastern European or Spanish ones due to the costs they have to face.

Oh i think you’ll find they would. The biggest thing to stop local producers ironically is EU legislation. Imagine if farmers worldwide complained about a level playing field like the Belgian truck drivers are doing ? EU is designed to squeeze them out? Thats why i like Aldi and Lidl :smiley: Always sell UK produce, ironic again i know ! :laughing:

orys:
As for exporting factories, there will be indeed no need to do it, but if you want to sell products both in EE and UK it does not matter where you manufacture them, you will have to transport them either way…

But if you manufacture what you need you will have to use local transport to move your goods to your local market. Unless maybe you think EE haulier may come over to UK to move washing machines to local RDC’s? In anycase supplying a local market is sustainable for profit and employment. It just won’t give you the ‘growth’ that venture capitalists require for investment. So ‘we’ don’t need access to an EE market, only venture capitalists do.

orys:
So I am not afraid, bring it all, equal pay to everyone… As so far, the only thing EU introduced in EE is that “equal prices to everyone” thingy…

I’m not afraid either, we have a pretty good welfare state and i never seen anyone starve here, so i guess we’ll be fine. Its just a shame that we’re counting the cost of you not having to queue for bread for two hours. Its not something i begrudge, but i would of liked a say in it seeing as it affects me, I’ve never had a say in it. If i did your queue would be dowm to half an hour now and not a Tesco Metro in the village !!! :laughing: :laughing:

Mike-C:
Of course we don’t have the climate for them. We don’t really have the climate for year round tomatos, but we still get them from Poland year round because they can be produced cheaper there, and Poland doesn’t have the climate for them year round either.

Yes. So if you want to resign from transporting fruits and vegetable, you will have stick to old potatoes stored in your garden shed and swede for the whole winter…

Oh i think you’ll find they would. The biggest thing to stop local producers ironically is EU legislation. Imagine if farmers worldwide complained about a level playing field like the Belgian truck drivers are doing ? EU is designed to squeeze them out? Thats why i like Aldi and Lidl :smiley: Always sell UK produce, ironic again i know ! :laughing:

The farming market in EU is totally different from the farming market outside EU thanks to the subsidies. Ironically the richest farmers get more, so British farmer is subsidied more than Polish one and the French ones are just masters of milking EU farming subsidies system… So I am afraid that if everyone would get the same subsidies (or none at all), the cheaper ones from better climate countries will have much better prices to offer… And unless force people to eat local stuff, the traffic will be even bigger…

But if you manufacture what you need you will have to use local transport to move your goods to your local market. Unless maybe you think EE haulier may come over to UK to move washing machines to local RDC’s? In anycase supplying a local market is sustainable for profit and employment. It just won’t give you the ‘growth’ that venture capitalists require for investment. So ‘we’ don’t need access to an EE market, only venture capitalists do.

This is 1920s view of the world. The exchange of the production is needed not only for economy, it is also valid for exchanging the ideas, giving people more choices etc…This is how the world goes ahead - you import BMW and then your local manufacturer sees you like it and tries to develop even better car… If the acces of foreign technologies is limited, well, this is what we have:

These are Polish roads exactly 25 years ago (the movie was made in 1986-7). Look at the cars…

So, as you can see, I’ve been there and done that, and I do not recomend it,

Also nowadays we are surrounded with advanced technology… Developing such technology costs, so altough you might be right when it comes to socks and underpants, to return all costs you had to develop a new car or smartfone, you have to sell it worldwide… Today car manufacturers join their powers and sell the same product under different badges all over the world, and you suggest that it would be possible to develop a car just for one country? Unless you are talking about Reliant Robins alikes, that is no longer the case…

I’m not afraid either, we have a pretty good welfare state and i never seen anyone starve here, so i guess we’ll be fine.

Yes, because money grow on trees in UK :unamused: . In case you haven’t noticed, the society in Europe gets older and older. Unless we keep letting immigrants in, or suddenly start to have 5 kids each, the welfare system has to collapse, because from the times of Bismarck it is build as a pyramide that young ones pay to keep old ones on their comfy retirements.

Its just a shame that we’re counting the cost of you not having to queue for bread for two hours. Its not something i begrudge, but i would of liked a say in it seeing as it affects me, I’ve never had a say in it. If i did your queue would be dowm to half an hour now and not a Tesco Metro in the village !!! :laughing: :laughing:

Well, I never had anything to say if I like to queue for bread or not, you know. But it is funny that you like the idea of equal playing field only if its good for you, and idea of “every european country queues for bread for 1 hour” is not so funny for you…

He goes on a bit eh? 'Kin ell :unamused: