F.Short & Sons Ltd Oxford Street Hull another drivers name came to mind George Hoe he was a shunter there I can remember going to load at Gemmal & Freugh the made castings teribble things to load they moved all over the place when you were travelling Geo was quite an expert at this sort of load and helped me to make the load very very secure, I wonder if he is still about he was a real nice bloke to work with,another driver a gordie but lived in Hull left Shorties & went to Falkies he drove one of the Seddon Artics his nickname was the Rothbury rustler anybody remember him ■■ Cheers Larry
Lawrence Dunbar:
F.Short & Sons Ltd Oxford Street Hull another drivers name came to mind George Hoe he was a shunter there I can remember going to load at Gemmal & Freugh the made castings teribble things to load they moved all over the place when you were travelling Geo was quite an expert at this sort of load and helped me to make the load very very secure, I wonder if he is still about he was a real nice bloke to work with,another driver a gordie but lived in Hull left Shorties & went to Falkies he drove one of the Seddon Artics his nickname was the Rothbury rustler anybody remember him ■■ Cheers Larry
The casting firm is not one I recall, although there was a shipbuilder in Beverley called Cook, Welton & Gemmell who’s grandson?? ■■■■ played Rugby for HKR in the 70’s
Casting 
my mind back to Hull, there were some big engineering companies, Richard Sizer, Simon Rosedowns, TH ■■■■, Whittingham & Porter, Priestmans. They might jog a few more memories.
Hello,
This thread brings back some memories.
My first “proper” job was with S.A.Green and Son, Flemingate, Beverley, where I started in February 1974.
I had left a job as a trainee salesman at Kennings, Boothferry Road and was very soft and even more naive.
My first day was spent loading 8 stone blue bags of ICI fertiliser (tillage) onto trailers from a mountain of the stuff in the yard.
It was a “kill or cure” day, luckily,it was cure.
I had joined as a Class 1 driver but I had only just passed my test, having been taught to drive by Brian Greenwood, who I think I remember, told me he had worked for Wakes until health problems had persuaded him to leave and set up as an instructor.
He had a TK Bedford, with a singe axle trailer, which I thought then and still do now, is one of the trickiest to reverse.
Greens sent me out with another driver to load “sharps”, wheetfeed, at Ranks mill in Hull and then let me loose in a J reg Albion Clydesdale four wheeler.
Then they “promoted” me to a G reg AEC Marshall six wheeler and after almost a year, I was given this…
That’s 15 tons of meat and bone meal from Prosper de Mulder at Doncaster, pallets were a thing of the future.
45 mph flat out, 28 tons gross but you could put 20 tons on a 33 foot trailer and not be overweight.
Later, I was given another, which had started life as a Leyland Lynx, the Buffalo’s baby brother but had been fitted with a 680 engine out of a 1965 beaver, along with the gearbox.
This was the first “TIR” trailer I had ever pulled, loaded with electronics but not customs cleared.
I had no idea what I was doing but eventually managed to get it cleared at an inland customs depot and tipped.
The old girl was given a facelift and I was put onto Keyways, off 10 shed, King George Dock.
Those were the days when you could park outside your house, this is Victoria Avenue, where I lived in a flat.
Eventually, it was my turn for a new motor and they bought this
Unfortunately, almost 100years of carrying animal feed and the like, had not equipped Green’s to deal with the shark infested waters of the haulage industry in Hull.
Three weeks after I got this truck and a month after I had married (for the first time) they went into voluntary liquidation and we were all made redundant.
I went to work for Jack Taylor, who had a small yard on Witham, driving an H reg A Series ERF.
I was sent on a HazChem? course after a while and went into H&P Freightways when it was brand new.
I remember carrying all kinds of hideous chemicals and also TFT(Tank Ferry Trailers?) trailers off North Sea ferries which were mostly grossly overloaded and rarely had any brakes.
After that, I went to John Foremans, where I carried even more hideous chemicals, including Phenol from Shell at Stanlow to DSM at Flixborough, which had been rebuilt after the explosion there in 1974.
That didn’t last either though and I was one of the first six redundancies in 1979.
Apologies for a long post and poor quality pictures.
Regards,
Nick
ncooper:
Hello,This thread brings back some memories.
Eventually, it was my turn for a new motor and they bought this
Unfortunately, almost 100years of carrying animal feed and the like, had not equipped Green’s to deal with the shark infested waters of the haulage industry in Hull.
Three weeks after I got this truck and a month after I had married (for the first time) they went into voluntary liquidation and we were all made redundant.
I went to work for Jack Taylor, who had a small yard on Witham, driving an H reg A Series ERF.
I was sent on a HazChem? course after a while and went into H&P Freightways when it was brand new.
I remember carrying all kinds of hideous chemicals and also TFT(Tank Ferry Trailers?) trailers off North Sea ferries which were mostly grossly overloaded and rarely had any brakes.
After that, I went to John Foremans, where I carried even more hideous chemicals, including Phenol from Shell at Stanlow to DSM at Flixborough, which had been rebuilt after the explosion there in 1974.
That didn’t last either though and I was one of the first six redundancies in 1979.Apologies for a long post and poor quality pictures.
These days, you can see me in this
Regards,
Nick
Hiya nick. We must have bumped into each other along the road. Your experience at H&P with Mr Dobson and Ken Mathews must have helped you cope with life. Some great pictures in your post. Who owned the Pinefleet truck was that Billys or a subbie?
Hello,
The Pinefleet truck was owned by Greens and driven by me.
It was on contract, on terms that could only make Pinefleet richer and Greens poorer.
I was offered the contract myself, after Greens folded, if I went self employed and when I found out what was on offer,
I went and got another driving job. 
I never really got to know Frank or Ken, although I do remember having a cup of tea with Ken at Birch Services once.
He and I both had a TFT tank on, mine was empty, his was loaded.
I left first,heading home in my horrible A Series ERF, thinking I wouldn’t see him again.
A few minutes later, climbing up to the top of the M62, Ken came past as if I was parked and true enough, I didn’t see him again after that.
In those days, an F89 was about as good as it got…
I do remember a really nice lad who was my friend for a while, also an owner driver, called Lennie Seddon.
He too had an A Series, I think it had been Arrow Bulk’s, mine was ex Formans and had been driven by a bloke called Frank Bottomley.
Later, Lennie bought himself an E reg, ie 1967, Scania Vabis, what a truck that was.
Regards,
Nick.
ncooper:
Hello,The Pinefleet truck was owned by Greens and driven by me.
It was on contract, on terms that could only make Pinefleet richer and Greens poorer.
I was offered the contract myself, after Greens folded, if I went self employed and when I found out what was on offer,
I went and got another driving job.
I never really got to know Frank or Ken, although I do remember having a cup of tea with Ken at Birch Services once.
He and I both had a TFT tank on, mine was empty, his was loaded.
I left first,heading home in my horrible A Series ERF, thinking I wouldn’t see him again.
A few minutes later, climbing up to the top of the M62, Ken came past as if I was parked and true enough, I didn’t see him again after that.
In those days, an F89 was about as good as it got…
I do remember a really nice lad who was my friend for a while, also an owner driver, called Lennie Seddon.
He too had an A Series, I think it had been Arrow Bulk’s, mine was ex Formans and had been driven by a bloke called Frank Bottomley.
Later, Lennie bought himself an E reg, ie 1967, Scania Vabis, what a truck that was.Regards,
Nick.
Sounds like a while before my driving time. I only knew Frank when he worked for his Dad, John Dobson.
I worked in a commercial workshop and painted Kens first motors when he ran a TK Bedford and later a Mercedes 1418. My Mum was also in transport and worked for Springfield Haulage with Jack Adams & Bill Townhill before he set up Pinefleet. I worked for Billy with my own truck in the 80’s
Kens lad Chris was at Hedon Salads in Newport, the last time I saw him.
Keep up the memories 
Sounds like a while before my driving time. I only knew Frank when he worked for his Dad, John Dobson.
Probably you are right and it was John, it was all a long time ago and I didn’t keep a diary.
There were all kinds of owner drivers and tiny hauliers in H&P at the time.
I think Ken Matthews had two trucks in there, the other was a Mercedes, probably the one you painted.
Graylease, as it was then, was new too and we had lots of their 20’ skellies to put the lift tanks on.
I got into Formans by driving the ERF and a Suttons low loader in there, after loading the lift tank with acetone at BP.
There was snow everywhere and I think it was the year the gritters were on strike and you couldn’t get out of Hull.
They didn’t ask me many questions about my qualifications, as I had driven them into their yard. 
There were a lot of old soldiers at Foremans and I am afraid I wasn’t very popular after I had done a few “days’ work for a day’s pay”.
What put the tin lid on it was when a trip to Milford Haven came up.
The job was to take lube oil to the Esso? refinery there and refill the tanks at all the pumps on the site.
The driver who had been given the job said he hadn’t enough hours left in the week to do the job, so I volunteered.
I did the job, wasted all of Saturday morning to make the hours up and got back at dinner time, I could quite easily have got back on Friday night without even bending a single law.
It turned out that I had had less hours left than the other driver and there was hell on.
I was young then and naive, like I said…but, the depot is no longer there and P&O had already closed the depot next door, was it Allenfreight?, dark blue lorries doing lift tanks… or is my memory letting me down?
When I was at Greens, we did a lot of work for Springfields and Blakey.
I suspect that doing this contributed greatly to the company being wound up.
We did some for Chapman Shields too.
I do remember Springfields shunter, Manny wasn’t he called and another bloke, whose name I can’t remember who shunted for Hewsons at Howden, in a very tatty F86.
I also remember Mike Kirby when he drove a Guy Big J, I don’t think it was even his.
EDIT…Here’s another one I have found, of a day when I was allowed out in what was then a decent truck.
Armstrong’s at York, having loaded steel pipe, apparently for the Middle East somewhere, to be made into shock absorbers by the locals.
I didn’t get any further than King George Dock.
Regards,
Nick.
I think you would find Hewson bros Shunter was for many years was Taffy Pennington a very well know character who would loan any one a tralor for a tenner the other shunter was Trevour Mell…
and the other one i recall was macmahon thats Brian the human beer drain down in one.in my session in Hewsons fitters shop i could tell you tales that would shock you as most drivers and fitters could tell you
i waqs called out one evening to fit a prop shafy to macs 88 outside a certain pubin york …it took me 2 hrs mac in the meantime enjoyed a swift 6 pints in the pub when all was wrappedup i had to help him in to his cab to drive back to Howden. Iknow with forethought i should havs taken the truck home and left the fitters van with mac in it those were the days when you could safely leave your truck unlocked Ps thats if you had a truck with doors that locked Well done chaps keep you elbows in and watch yr doors im a gonn blow yer windows out BEEP BEEP all the best boys Ex Hewson Rix Shipping Stanle jewit a real boss ,Len Dunling say no more Glen Holt Pardon i am saying nowt Cargill Bulk corn and Goole Hauliers , Alan Reed Econofrieght BIN AROUND A BIT AINT I CHEERS
ncooper:
Sounds like a while before my driving time. I only knew Frank when he worked for his Dad, John Dobson.
Probably you are right and it was John, it was all a long time ago and I didn’t keep a diary.
There were all kinds of owner drivers and tiny hauliers in H&P at the time.
I think Ken Matthews had two trucks in there, the other was a Mercedes, probably the one you painted.
Graylease, as it was then, was new too and we had lots of their 20’ skellies to put the lift tanks on.I got into Formans by driving the ERF and a Suttons low loader in there, after loading the lift tank with acetone at BP.
There was snow everywhere and I think it was the year the gritters were on strike and you couldn’t get out of Hull.
They didn’t ask me many questions about my qualifications, as I had driven them into their yard.There were a lot of old soldiers at Foremans and I am afraid I wasn’t very popular after I had done a few “days’ work for a day’s pay”.
What put the tin lid on it was when a trip to Milford Haven came up.
The job was to take lube oil to the Esso? refinery there and refill the tanks at all the pumps on the site.
The driver who had been given the job said he hadn’t enough hours left in the week to do the job, so I volunteered.
I did the job, wasted all of Saturday morning to make the hours up and got back at dinner time, I could quite easily have got back on Friday night without even bending a single law.
It turned out that I had had less hours left than the other driver and there was hell on.
I was young then and naive, like I said…but, the depot is no longer there and P&O had already closed the depot next door, was it Allenfreight?, dark blue lorries doing lift tanks… or is my memory letting me down?Regards,
Nick.
Bloody hell. I remember those John Forman guys, they were a bit careful, careful they didn’t rush back. It was why Croda / Cargill went with Subcontractors and eventually UTT I think. They lost a lot of work and ended up subbing work from us, a 10 bit haulier made up of farmers lads and village idiots. Take your pick which one I was 
Hi Brlboy,
Any pictures of Hewson Brothers? I remember the fitters van ( Bedford CF van ) , peeking in as a young boy,when it was sat in the corner of the fitting shop, it was apparent the wheels had not turned for many a year ! Brian McMahon, I remember my Dad talking about him - bit of a crew there at Thorpe Road? Bernard, Tony Lloyd, Mcmahon, Len Drury, Charlie Lee are all names you may remember
I havent seen this posted before, scanned from Truck and Driver October 1987, the story of Arrow Bulk Carriers and Eddie Tomlinson, If like mine your eyes are going, you will need to download to read properly !!
Not quite so old but definitely from Hull.
This was the first truck I drove which would accelerate uphill at 39 tonnes
and the first truck I drove abroad, starting at the outskirts of Paris
It’s sister, B 261 YCK is alive and well and lives in a yard across the road from where I work now.
This one was bought to replace the Scania and I co-drove it to Spain as well
not to mention Birmingham 
I went to Poland in this one, on my own.
The whole trip was like the Krypton factor, after each challenge there was another, more
difficult one.
It was my first solo trip abroad and despite the many setbacks, I loved it.
(Arthur was away, doing his bit for the TA.)
This cab seems to have followed me about, look what I drive now
and I was allowed to choose what I wanted.
Regards,
Nick
Hi there Senior Ring rose Sorry no photos of Hewson Bro only memories some good some bad I dont think i am far away from you if you feel like getting in touch please do so .
Come down with pleasure and breath some deisel fumes Brian Shirley Asselby Nr Howden
Third house on the right BRY
I asked some time ago if anyone remembered F.Short & Son Ltd Oxford Street Hull opposite Drapers Filling Station,. They ran a night trunk from Newcastle Green wagons . The manager at Hull was John Conboy, Franky Orr was the yard forman great bloke was our uno Franky I rememeber him smoking Park Drive Tabs. You may know some of the drivers that worked there 60/70s. Ted Whitfield,Dennis Hicks, Billy Mayo, Bill Piggot , George Hoe, great lads to work with. Regards Larry
brylboy:
Hi there Senior Ring rose Sorry no photos of Hewson Bro only memories some good some bad I dont think i am far away from you if you feel like getting in touch please do so .
Come down with pleasure and breath some deisel fumes Brian Shirley Asselby Nr Howden
Third house on the right BRY
No Bry, he is a bloody Furroner now, lives darn sarf and all that innit.
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I love the memories of Macmahon, what a great bloke. he kept all the pubs going in Gilberdyke and surrounds
We had a bloke at Malcy’s, Dusty Miller, he used to live on the Boulevard, come to work on the East Yorkshire service bus and Bill or me had to push him into the F88 cab, he could roundtrip Montrose without another drink. I think Bill paid him a bit after each trip and saved the rest for his missus
Very intresting did not know you were connected to malcs wheel nut i am stil good friends wit Alan And Barry Alas Billy has gone to that Truckers Rest where in time we may catch up with him THE RASCAL YOU new him of course Bry ,
Sniffy:
I havent seen this posted before, scanned from Truck and Driver October 1987, the story of Arrow Bulk Carriers and Eddie Tomlinson, If like mine your eyes are going, you will need to download to read properly !!
They were a familiar site going past my dads pub were Arrow Bulk Carriers and they were probably a good reason why I got into the tanker world.
And here is one of Mike Jefferies oil paintings. It shows an Arrow Bulk AEC turning onto the weighbridge at IBL on Lime Street, could that be a young George in the office? These pictures were all stolen from BLB but I am sure he wont mind for the added information.
And just to show where the oil painting came from, here is IBL as it looks now. The weighbridge hasn’t moved far and those buildings are still used.
brylboy:
Very intresting did not know you were connected to malcs wheel nut i am stil good friends wit Alan And Barry Alas Billy has gone to that Truckers Rest where in time we may catch up with him THE RASCAL YOU new him of course Bry ,
I don’t see Alan & Howard, his son as much as I would like, since moving to Derbyshire. Barry was in New Zealand last week for his sister in laws 50th, he still looks prosperous
Bill taught me much that is wrong with road haulage. There was the correct way and there was Bills way
Does any of you recall George Carter x arrows driver i think retired from United Mollases on K G DOCK