Yes 0-50% would be much quicker, All EV’s no matter what the marque have a significant tail off in charging speed after reaching 80% to protect the battery pack, it will take as long to reach 100% from 80% than 0-80%.
It’s considered bad form if the charging station is busy & you’re charging past 80% because of the time it takes from 80-100%.
I believe that is correct. Also from some things I’ve read, it is the last, single digit percentages of charge that takes an exponentially longer time. Purely for a random example: 0% to 80% might take X time, 80% to 90% might take 2X amount of time, 90% to 95% might take 3X time, and 95% to 100% may be 5X time.
Ah… you’re clearly an optimist in respect of human nature I see, whereas I’m not, I expect the worst from people, that way I am rarely disappointed.
Have you never sat waiting to get on a fuel pump, while the person in front of you takes a bizarrely long time taken to fill the tank of their small car? Eventually to realise you’re being held up because they have some obsessive need to fill up to a round figure? And when they try to hit £10 but end up with £10.03 they are compelled to go to £11.00, and fail again at £11.02, so they now need to go to £12… and it repeats again and again?
You just know these people will insist on filling to 100% before they move, so (using my ad hoc maths example above) the limited-availability charger, instead of being occupied for X time, is occupied for eleven X.
Society as a whole isn’t smart enough to use technology in a smart way.
Just look at all the people getting done for using their phone while driving, especially the professional drivers, many of whom may lose their job because of this. And yet we have widespread availability of bluetooth devices…
There is some sort of inertia involved in getting commercial charging stations up and running to get more to buy EVs to make more stations viable.
I think that the same will apply to hydrogen as well of course. Will cryogenic gas storage be easier to scale up for large stations? Or will it economic in smaller more widely distributed points?
I don’t know
Or…? From 2 years ago.
Define lot quicker when everyone is doing the same blocking all the chargers and you are at the back of the queue for the top up charge.
Either way continuous fast charging fries the battery and adds to the depreciation bill at trade in time.When no doubt they expect some mug to subsidise the new EV trade in costs.The truth is the real world costs of this scam will force many average car users off the road.
Ironically I’m planning to maybe replace the current daily drive with a JLR or VW Tuareg 3.0 litre 6 cylinder hybrid.Not because I’ve got any faith in the EV scam but it’s a viable way to have both a decent engine combined with local trips and in town without wrecking the engine and needless extra fuel use in town.
Scam as in subsidised electric prices and fuel taxes for home EV charging.While low paid and pensioners pay full price for their domestic electric and fuel duty + 20% VAT to run their car.
Obviously until enough mugs get an EV then their home EV charging goes to at least 30p per kWh + fuel duty + 20% VAT.
Let’s just say it generally takes less than 15 minutes to refuel a petrol or diesel vehicle with 10-20 gallons 400-800 kWh call it at worse 120-240 kWh allowing for ICE efficiency, probably better.
With far easier location of supplies.
At a cost of arond £60-£120.That includes fuel duty making up over 50% of that figure + 20% VAT.
As opposed to 30p per kWh + equivalent fuel duty + 20% VAT.
- The costs and degredation and depreciation of EV batteries.
At the risk of nuke disaster, loss of food production and countryside to solar farms and burning down our forestry for fuel.
Bearing in mind 0.04% CO2 is the minimum required to sustain our forestry and plant life required to feed us and the oxygen supply to breathe.
three litre engine and needless extra fuel use in the same sentence? Outstanding work, I’m doffing my cap as I type.
And, with your overuse of the word “scam”, this is what is going through my head every time I see you’ve written that again:
Man: (to Waitress) Morning!
Waitress: Morning!
Man: Well, what’ve you got?
Waitress: Well, there’s egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and scam; egg bacon and scam; egg bacon sausage and scam; scam bacon sausage and scam; scam egg scam scam bacon and scam; scam sausage scam scam bacon scam tomato and scam;
Vikings: (starting to chant) scam scam scam scam…
Waitress: …scam scam scam egg and scam; scam scam scam scam scam scam baked beans scam scam scam…
Vikings: (singing) scam! Lovely scam! Lovely scam!
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Feel free to agree but on the fit for purpose bit you will be way wrong. The lack of lnowkedge shown here about EVs is staggering.
Way off the mark. Travelled in two separate cars with hubby in his diesel when we took alll daughters stuff to uni.
Drive for 3.5 hours and stopped for a break. Had a wee and a coffee and jumped back in my charged car while waiting for hubby to get diesel. What you are forgetting is folks stop for breaks. You charge while having that break returning to a charged car. Unless you have a minion to drive your car to a garage and filll it up for you it is more inconvenient and takes longer than charging.
Now hybrids are a scam and incredibly unreliable.
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Confusing: replying to Beaunydel but quoting me, who was the response aimed at?
If me, then show me where I wrote “fit for purpose”? It’s not a phrase I use.
If I am wrong in anything I write, please provide supporting independent evidence and I will be happy to reconsider any comments I might have made, though if we are merely talking about personal opinions, that is a different matter.
Yep. That’s why I used the comparison to my trucking days and putting in enough fuel to get home rather than buying fuel away from base.
I can do over 300 miles. If driving 300 miles there would usually be a break. That break would be car on the charger while I take that break.
I have two choices. Tell the car how much charge I want to limit spend or just let it put in as much as it physically can while on that break. I can also control that charge from my phone.
2nd 50% doesn’t take longer. The last 10% does but rarely am I charging out above 90%
As an example. Today I have travelled from Cornwall to Gloucester. I have put in 10% at Michaelwoods while getting a coffee and driven back to put car on charge. So I have 800 miles of range without actually wasting anytime going to a fuel station.
Those saying it is quicker to fill up with fuel are trying to use an EV as you would an ICE car and I don’t get why they think like that. They are failing to consider that most of the energy is put into an EV at home.
That’s total rubbish. It’s actually laughable that folks believe that. This is the problem with uptake now. Those who have bough EVs are enjoying them while some have these bizarre preconceptions that do make me chuckle. Perhaps come for a trip with me carryfast you will be staggered by how wrong you are.
It would be misleading to conflate “Carryfast” with “people” 
He is unique.
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Well there is a comment I don’t think I can disagree with lol
Don’t try this at home…
The YT works with subtitles on, and sound off OK.
5mpg for the towing vehicle will not save the planet nor save any cash, but it is an option for those who do get stuck I guess.
Maybe not at 70mph on a rope though.
Hey !..don’t be ruining CF’s chances man.
Becky more or less asked him on a date, this could be a new dimension to TN.
A dating site for lonely truckers.
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I bet he is digging out his best flares and tank top, and adding a splash of Brut in anticipation as we speak.
Go for it CF man.
I actually drive everything from I paces to Range Rover SVR’s all over the country as part of my job.
Two examples of I Pace were less than 20 miles and 40 miles range left on arrival with no margin left for detours respectively.
Why would I want all the aggro of finding and waiting to recharge within a less than 300 mile 4 hour run.Bearing in mind the need to load a payment app which might or might not work as opposed to the firm’s petrol and diesel agency card.
Ironically I’ll have no choice if I’m still doing the job into retirement after the big switch to EVs.Refuelling the things will be a time consuming nightmare.
Needless extra fuel use.Like around 20 mpg urban v 38 mpg motorway.
Bearing in mind the Golf/Touran/Tiguan 1.4 litre is around 40 mpg combined.
So electric for local/urban journeys and nice sounding effortless 6 cylinder for distance with the win win that it’s not being knackered by short town journeys.
I am still not getting you.
1: I have never struggled to find a charger so there is no aggro there.
2: If you felt you needed a top up then 5% sounds like enough and that would take you a few minutes at most.
3: I have never downloaded an app to charge. Yes some chargers require it but i ignore those.
4: Your company can also get a refuelling card for EV. An allstars car will allow use almost anywhere.
5: So no, charging the things will not be a time consuming nightmare. It just wont and that is the misconception most have.
6. My previous car was a range Rover Hybrid, a range rover Diesel before that. The Jag I pace range is pretty awful TBH there are longer range and better options out there.
7. I am often arriving home with less than 40 miles range. That’s no big deal.
Here is a thought for you:
Let me compare this week and comparable weeks with doing the same in my previous but one diesel car.
Today I have completed a 330 mile round trip. I began with a fully charged EV that probably would have completed that journey, just, but topped up a little while getting a coffee. That top up wasted 14 seconds as i literally plugged it in and tapped my card.
Had I been using the diesel I would have had to have taken a 4-mile detour to my local garage. I cannot pay at the pumps at my local garage so have to go to the counter to pay. That detour and paying process takes around 10-minutes, It was often much longer when stuck by the person who decides to do a whole basket of shopping while fuelling up. So I now leave the garage with 550 miles of range.
I get home in my EV after completing the journey and plug it in, a process that took 7 seconds, I sadly timed it, and the scheduled charge will charge it overnight.
So the following morning, following the 330 mile round trip I now have 330 miles range in my fully charged EV and 220 miles of range left in my old diesel car.
My commute to work each day is 150 miles, 75 miles each way. I will now use my car for that for the next 5-days. With the EV I will charge it overnight Monday and Wednesday. Each charge will take 7 seconds of my time. The diesel car will need refuelling on Monday. I will take the same 4 mile detour and waste the same 10-minutes unless I get stuck behind the full basket shopper.
So in that typical week I have spent 35 seconds charging my EV when I would have spent 20-minutes getting diesel.
If I did that every week; it’s fairly typical TBH, in a year I will waste 30 minutes of my life charging my EV while wasting over 17 hours refuelling my Diesel.
The two methods of operating are very different.
Let me add. I have so far done 7,900 miles in my EV.
I have never detoured to find a charger
I have never waited for a charger to become free, well briefly once - you soon learn how to avoid that
I have never waited for my car to charge.
I have never come close to running out of charge.
I have never downloaded an app.
I have had the car for almost 2-months now and I am still learning and finding ways of making it even easier. It is VERY simple. I hear the misconceptions that are being quoted here often but I just dont encounter them at all.