It seems that it is very difficult to run out of charge completely.
But if someone was that ummm…unfortunate? 
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There is always a recovery on a flatbed option, like AA relay?
Or I guess these are also in the UK? Or if there was a real need they would appear.
MG Motors give you free AA 12 months roadside assistance with ever new BEV & when you take your car back to your MG dealer for every subsequent scheduled service, if you choose the option, you will receive a further 12 months’ MG Assistance free.
Mind you, if you regular run out of charge & need their assistance, I can see them limiting the times they will come to help you.
You’d need to be really careless or have a devil may care attitude nowadays if you run out energy though as apps like ABRP (a better route planner) will tell you where all the chargers are in your vicinity or route & will even calculate the topography of the route to take into account of hilly terrain, weather & how much charge you would have remaining at each charger further down the route road have in the battery pack, ignore at your own peril.
You can check ahead in these apps if the chargers are in service or out of order too.
Well, if EV owners are happy with their vehicles who am I to knock it it, I’m happy with my Jaguar, it’ll see me out and I’d bet a shilling that ICE cars will see my grandchildren out, petrol and diesel engines are with us for many years yet.
Once electric is the norm, any ICE car will be a classic. I reckon if you buy a new ICE and garage it for 30 years, it would be a fantastic investment.
I think I have seen one of those fuel recovery vans that empty you out after filling unleaded in your derv also offering emergency charging. i doubt it would be high output but I guess you could get 10 miles from a 3kw genny after an hour.
No idea what your manners/low intelligence comment refers to. The vehicle calculates everything for you. It finds you charging stations and then takes you there. If you run out of charge you really are a d1ck there is no other word to describe it. EV cars make charging and route planning so easy, those of VERY low intelligence would find it very simple. I cant say anything more. I honestly don’t understand why that would raise a gripe. Were you assuming I was referring to you? If so read it again. Honestly, you really do have to be pretty stupid to run out.
So, assuming I fail to plan my journey, ignore the sat nav, ignore the numerous warnings, ignore the charge rediversion, and foolishly risk driving watching the battery level approach 0% and carry on driving and then run out of charge I suppose you would do as you do with any other vehicle and call your breakdown cover who will come out and give you a small charge, enough to get you to the nearest charger, just like they would give you enough petrol to get you to a filling station in an ICE car. I am still not getting your point. It’s no different to an ICE vehicle. You seem to be imagining problems that are not there as folks often do about EV’s.
If you are happy with your Jaguar that is great, i would never knock an individuals preference. However, please go test drive an EV just for the experience, to say you have driven one and to gain an understanding of them.
One thought: If i went out now and spent 120k on a nice new 5 litre V8 F Type i get a car with a 0-60 time pretty much the same as mine without the fuel stops.
How much would I need to spend to get a reasonable EV now? Second hand for example?
I’ve not looked into it as I plan to run my diesel into the ground before my next car, but I’ve heard about Chinese brands coming into the market that should bring the prices down, but governments not liking the idea so not letting it happen (yet)?
Basically what you’re saying is stop thinking for yourself, do as you are told. Go buy an EV 'cos the government says so (even though you are pretty sure that it will be obselete before you want to PX it for the next newgen hydrogen, wind power, nuclear or whatever power comes on stream next) and do as it tells you- don’t go the most direct route even though you know that with the diesel you were forced to trade in against your better judgement it would have been the most sensible and most convenient, but do as the car tells you and go and top your inadequate battery pack at the charging station 10 miles off route 'cos that’s the one that gives Tesla or MG or Polestar the biggest back hander for sending you there.
The machines are taking over…
No. What a very weird take on things,
No. What i am saying is you can’t run out of charge unless you are an idiot. I never travel 10-miles off route to charge what on earth makes you think i would, and what on earth makes you think that the guidance is related to the brand. If you read what i said again, i said it directs you to a charger if you are running out of charge. It doesnt direct you to a charger otherwise unless you ask it to and when you do it directs you to multiple charging options along your route. The example given was how it prevents the stupid from running out of charge.
I travelled to Scotland and charged en-route but otherwise I rarely put in too much charge away from home. This weekend i will travel from Cornwall to Gloucester. I will stop for a break/coffee on the way, probably Michaelwoods so will top up by 10% costing me about £4 to give me a buffer to get home. The whole journey will cost me around £9 in charge.
Regarding government influences: No. I do in life what works for me. I have solar panels that produce more power than I use and i fully charge it for next to nothing. I do a lot of miles, largely watching my son (A pro rugby player) playing rugby so it is efficient. It is fast 0-60 in 4.4 seconds, its fun to drive. It has more storage space than an ICE car, one pedal mode is great and I dont have to mess around fuelling up in a garage anymore. It works for me and I enjoy driving it far more than an ICE car. No government influences at play sorry to say.
It certainly seems like a buyers market at present watching EV only auctions.
Yeah governments fighting a losing battle to save legacy auto & judging by the plant clousures across Europe it doesn’t look like a rosy picture for them with Fiat’s woes being the latest today.
https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/turin-decline-fiats-italian-mirafiori-plant-falters
The latest sanctions on Chinese EV’s doesn’t affect Blighty.
Mine was 57k. I 100% accept EV’s need to become more affordable. It works for me as I do alot of miles and have solar panels.
I would add i am probably more of a petrol/derv head than most of you so I am an EV convert.
The truth is the range and refuelling regime of EVs is an unfit for purpose lottery, at best resulting in long refuelling delays, at worse the requirement for expensive recovery.
It’s also a laughably expensive scam from purchase costs to depreciation and subsidised loss leader scam fuel pricing and taxation intended to hide the true costs of fuelling the things.
While claiming laughably false environmental credentials based on the risk of nuke disaster, farmland covered in solar panels and burning living trees instead of long dead ones.
The advocates of this scam resort to the usual position regarding awkward questions.
Unfortunately that includes the obvious agenda of removing the choice of using ICE powered vehicles.
Bearing in mind that ICE isn’t mutually exclusive with so called ‘net zero’ carbon fuels.
The range and refuelling regime of EV’s is unfit for purpose? I hear that all the time yet strangely find it easier and speedier than fuelling up at a fuel station. No need for a recovery - unless you are pretty thick.
I am not going to be drawn into environmental issues as both have their shortcomings but cant actually disagree with what you say there.
Genuine question, how long does it take to fully recharge your EV ?
Can this be true-I think I am agreeing with Carryfast 
Charging times for my MG ZS EV from 0%-100%
3-pin plug Home 22 hours, 8 miles/hour
3.6kW Home / Work 14 h, 13 m/h
7kW Home / Work / Public Locations 8 h, 24 m/h
22kW |Work / Public Locations 8 h, 24 m/h
50kW |Public Locations 40 min 87 m/30 min
150kW Public Locations 20 min 159 m/30 min
My MG has a 75kW charging limit, so going on a 150kW charger would only charge at a max 75kWh.
Before you fully confess to agreeing with CF, consider his use of “scam” to describe a business strategy, and that by claiming it to be a “scam” tends to invite the offer of a free tin-foil hat.
Business strategies and marketing campaigns, even/especially when endorsed by governments who flit past our eyes at a rate of knots, each with their own specific manifesto pledges, are clearly not a basis for an individual to make a sound decision, and that individual should be encouraged and helped to make a fully informed decision.
I’m all for that, but describing everything under the sun as a scam, plot, conspiracy etc etc is just the shouty-man-down-the-pub approach, which we’re already seeing plenty of in the alleged “political discussions” thread.
If I won an EV in a competition, or someone gave me one to use free, I’d use it: I have a driveway and a garage in an area where it would be highly unlikely any scrotes would tamper with it while it was on charge. The same could not be said of some neighbouring areas.
My 14 year-old diesel may not last until H₂ cars are readily available and affordable, I may need another one, but H₂ is what I would like to see for my motoring future.
At my age the plan is to run my current diesel till the last minute and then buy another one to see me out!
Correct me if wrong.
Charging from 0% to 50% is a lot quicker than 50% to 100% ?
If on a long trip, say York to Plymouth? If starting fully charged.
You would run the charge down low, then just put enough in to compete the trip? So it might be drive 200ml then a 10% to 60% charge needed?
Doesn’t seem too onerous to me.