Dr Damon:
They all deserve what they got. Some drivers think speeding is OK and only a minor offence till a child gets killed.Keep inflating the fines and catch as many as possible.
Far too many idiots on the roads anyway.
I think you need to move over to mumsnet, plenty of like minded folk on there for you.
Captain Caveman 76:
Butcher:
Captain Caveman 76:
Man's £775 bill for driving at 52mph - and 10 other speeders who've been caught - Hull LiveIt’s raising lots and lots of money.
It doesn’t list the speed limits for the road they were caught on.
However, I’m not condoning speeding, not at all.
Am I right in thinking that speeding fines are synonymous with earnings nowadays?
Being local I can tell you that theyou were all less than ten miles an hour under the speed limit except one.
Whilst I’ve always said that a speeding fine is a voluntary tax, I think its getting g out of hand now. Is exceeding the speed limit by 7 mph at 2 am on a deserted road really worthy of a several hundred pounds fine? And how many police hours were spent chasing all these speeding tickets? Time that could be spent out there catching the real cause of the carnage on our roads, bad drivers.
So what’s the solution caveman?
Do we let drivers decide when it’s safe to speed? Thus increasing carnage!
Why do think drivers feel the need to speed?
Because they think it makes a fast driver?
Complete rubbish.
Because they are late?
Could well be but not a good enough excuse.
Because they are selfish?
Quite probable.
Professional drivers need to get a grip.
Speed and get points and fined.
Stick to limit and stay stress free.
maga:
Dr Damon:
They all deserve what they got. Some drivers think speeding is OK and only a minor offence till a child gets killed.Keep inflating the fines and catch as many as possible.
Far too many idiots on the roads anyway.I think you need to move over to mumsnet, plenty of like minded folk on there for you.
mumsnet? ■■?
Woman (Mums) are amongst the worst offenders but if another driver knocks their kid down all hell breaks loose
Dr Damon:
maga:
Dr Damon:
They all deserve what they got. Some drivers think speeding is OK and only a minor offence till a child gets killed.Keep inflating the fines and catch as many as possible.
Far too many idiots on the roads anyway.I think you need to move over to mumsnet, plenty of like minded folk on there for you.
mumsnet? ■■?
Woman (Mums) are amongst the worst offenders but if another driver knocks their kid down all hell breaks loose
yes, but you share the same brainwashed view as them in that speed kills. It doesn’t.
maga:
Dr Damon:
maga:
Dr Damon:
They all deserve what they got. Some drivers think speeding is OK and only a minor offence till a child gets killed.Keep inflating the fines and catch as many as possible.
Far too many idiots on the roads anyway.I think you need to move over to mumsnet, plenty of like minded folk on there for you.
mumsnet? ■■?
Woman (Mums) are amongst the worst offenders but if another driver knocks their kid down all hell breaks loose
yes, but you share the same brainwashed view as them in that speed kills. It doesn’t.
Brainwashed view maga?
Who says?
I can give you a few examples where speed definitely has killed.
I think you need to explain in more detail please
try this
speed limits are irrelevant to normal day to day driving.outdated and ignored by most…crack on at whatever speed you think you can get away with and be happy.
speed limiters equal instant boredom leading to constant carnage and motorway shunts…
Dr Damon:
maga:
Dr Damon:
Brainwashed view maga?
Who says?I can give you a few examples where speed definitely has killed.
I think you need to explain in more detail please
its just common sense really isn’t it, Promoting the “all speed kills” mantra has definitely lined the pockets of many 
poor/stupid decisions while driving kill, FACT. i.e 40 outside a school is stupid, 70+ down a NSL road with good visibility it is relatively safe.
you could even put it down to basic physics, I’d rather get hit by a moped at 40mph than a challenger tank at 20mph, Kinetic energy and size/shape of vehicle are leading reasons why people are killed in collisions.
It’s inappropriate speed which is dangerous NOT “going over” a limit.
Maybe if we concentrated on general bad driving, driving standards might actually improve in this country. They just seem to think a speed camera is the answer to everything driving offence based. Revenue and policing on the cheap that’s all it is
Dr Damon:
Captain Caveman 76:
Butcher:
Captain Caveman 76:
Man's £775 bill for driving at 52mph - and 10 other speeders who've been caught - Hull LiveIt’s raising lots and lots of money.
It doesn’t list the speed limits for the road they were caught on.
However, I’m not condoning speeding, not at all.
Am I right in thinking that speeding fines are synonymous with earnings nowadays?
Being local I can tell you that theyou were all less than ten miles an hour under the speed limit except one.
Whilst I’ve always said that a speeding fine is a voluntary tax, I think its getting g out of hand now. Is exceeding the speed limit by 7 mph at 2 am on a deserted road really worthy of a several hundred pounds fine? And how many police hours were spent chasing all these speeding tickets? Time that could be spent out there catching the real cause of the carnage on our roads, bad drivers.
So what’s the solution caveman?
Do we let drivers decide when it’s safe to speed? Thus increasing carnage!
Why do think drivers feel the need to speed?Because they think it makes a fast driver?
Complete rubbish.Because they are late?
Could well be but not a good enough excuse.Because they are selfish?
Quite probable.Professional drivers need to get a grip.
Speed and get points and fined.
Stick to limit and stay stress free.
First off, it’s Captain Caveman, Cavey is an acceptable alternactive though.
I’m not arguing about the speed limits, they are what they are. My complaint is with the increasingly surreptitious methods they use to catch people. If speeding is so dangerous, why are all their efforts put into catching people? Surely they should be putting more effort into stopping it from happening in he first place and the fact that they’re catching so many speeders proves what their focus is.
As someone who tries to keep to the speed limit at all times, I can’t say why people do it, at a guess it’s either because they don’t think or don’t care.
IMO people who drive oversize or over powered vehicles (lorries, vans 4x2’s sports cars etc) should have to pass an extra test (as lorry drivers already do) before being allowed to drive them. People pass their test in a 1 litre micra then go out and buy 2 litre cars. Little wonder they get into bother.
On a final note, as somebody already said, speed isn’t dangerous, inappropriate speed is. I thought about that earlier today as I went past the entrance of a school at 70mph just inches from the kids who were leaving.
maga:
Dr Damon:
maga:
Dr Damon:
Brainwashed view maga?
Who says?I can give you a few examples where speed definitely has killed.
I think you need to explain in more detail please
its just common sense really isn’t it, Promoting the “all speed kills” mantra has definitely lined the pockets of many
poor/stupid decisions while driving kill, FACT. i.e 40 outside a school is stupid, 70+ down a NSL road with good visibility it is relatively safe.
you could even put it down to basic physics, I’d rather get hit by a moped at 40mph than a challenger tank at 20mph, Kinetic energy and size/shape of vehicle are leading reasons why people are killed in collisions.
I read some of the views on here including yours with some intrepidation.I also feel some drivers with the same view as yourself may feel it is ok to speed.I totally agree speed in inappropriate places is dangerous while over the limit on an empty road ar night may not be dangerous.
The big problem is we cannot let the average driver decide when it is safe to speed.Drivers perceive situations very differently.
eg An 18 year old may think it is perfectly safe to drive in a built up area at 40mph where as a 70 year old would think it highly dangerous.Another example would be a driver that was late would probably risk speeding in an unsuitable area where as if they were on time they might stick to the limit.
The bottom line is we have to have speed limits whether we like them or not otherwise the roads would be more lethal than they are now.Drivers cannot control themselves at the best of times.I know people get angry at speed cameras and say it is nothing to do with road safety but they have saved lives and of course caused accidents.eg What do drivers do when they see a camera.Slow down or worse slam the brakes on!
It would be great to see plenty Police back on our roads but the Police like everyone else are struggling financially so at present that option is not really feasable.
Sorry but speed is quite often a big contributor to road accidents.
What solution do you have?
Dr Damon:
maga:
Dr Damon:
maga:
Dr Damon:
Brainwashed view maga?
Who says?I can give you a few examples where speed definitely
Sorry but speed is quite often a big contributor to road accidents.
No way. Who knew■■?
You never see parked vehicles crashing into each other. With that mentality we all would be driving behind a man carrying a red flag. Speeding plus crap driving equals accident.
Appropiate speed plus well trained driver, well research training class 1 police drivers and see what their ideas are on what is acceptable, you will be shocked.
Sorry Andie I do not quite follow your English.What country are you from?
Why will I be shocked? I have completed Police Class 1 training on a motorcycle.
Police are highly trained drivers.Lorry drivers are not.
Please try to make your point clearer.
The good Dr has certainly never read “how to make friends and influence people” with his bull in a china shop forum usage so far but on this thread he has a point but to him I say give it up mate. Ive been down the same road as you regarding speeding on this site and youre fighting a losing battle. Too many (not all tbf but plenty) dont seem to grasp that hitting someone at 30 gives them a better chance of surviving than hitting them at 40. “speed kills” is a mantra for the sheep apparently. Its all a conspiracy by the government you see. Everyone is positive they are a perfectly safe driver and able to drive faster than the limit because nothing will happen. They also seem to believe that at 2 in the morning speeding should be “overlooked” and cant comprehend the issues that arise from making that an acceptable practise.
Youre wasting your time trying to relay the concept that there would be no revenue to generate if they stuck to the limit in the first place.
if you were driving at 30 and hit someone,then thats your own fault for not doing 40…if you were doing 40 which is more normal,then you wouldnt hve been in the same place to have hit them …ignore every speed limit and have a more relaxing day.just be alert and be loking out for plod and camera vans then you wont be squashing minibuses n the m1. if there was no 56max limiters,then thats 1 accident that wouldnt have happened.vehichles speed because they can.anyone who drives over the limit thinks its ok to whatever degree they see acceptable.its only a question of your own perspective.the enforced limits are only cash cows.
dieseldog999:
if you were driving at 30 and hit someone,then thats your own fault for not doing 40…if you were doing 40 which is more normal,then you wouldnt hve been in the same place to have hit them …
Well you cant fault that logic…
Dr Damon:
Sorry Andie I do not quite follow your English.What country are you from?Why will I be shocked? I have completed Police Class 1 training on a motorcycle.
Police are highly trained drivers.Lorry drivers are not.
Please try to make your point clearer.
YORKSHIRE, ENGLAND.
My point is that that speed limits are a one size fits all in society that the majority can comfortably deal with.
Some have more, some less ability. 40mph on a foggy winters motorway may even be too fast, the same motorway on a sunny afternoon, 100mph could be too slow.
Arbitrary fines are just a cash cow for the treasury and not difficult to prove under law, whereas proving careless driving involves your “colleagues” actually getting of their arses and doing some propper work.
Clear enought for you?
Thanks snowman I know exactly what you are saying and I am well aware of the arrogance towards speeding and other offences.
You just never know though maybe just maybe if I can make a couple realise they are not so perfect and that they need to adhere to the laws to protect themselves and others then I have achieved something.
I have a little bit of spare time at the moment which is unusual so I will battle on hitting my head on the brick wall!
AndieHyde:
Dr Damon:
Sorry Andie I do not quite follow your English.What country are you from?Why will I be shocked? I have completed Police Class 1 training on a motorcycle.
Police are highly trained drivers.Lorry drivers are not.
Please try to make your point clearer.YORKSHIRE, ENGLAND.
My point is that that speed limits are a one size fits all in society that the majority can comfortably deal with.
Some have more, some less ability. 40mph on a foggy winters motorway may even be too fast, the same motorway on a sunny afternoon, 100mph could be too slow.
Arbitrary fines are just a cash cow for the treasury and not difficult to prove under law, whereas proving careless driving involves your “colleagues” actually getting of their arses and doing some propper work.Clear enought for you?
Yorkshire eh what a lovely place.No I am not clear on everything you say but I do understand some bits make sense.
Can I ask? Do you classify yourself as one with more driving ability or less driving ability and how did you come to that decision?
What do you think about sticking to the limit and ommiting any fines?
I am surprised you seem to think the Police sit and do nothing all day.How did you come to that decision then because I can assure you it is far from the truth.
Cheers
Damon.
The-Snowman:
dieseldog999:
if you were driving at 30 and hit someone,then thats your own fault for not doing 40…if you were doing 40 which is more normal,then you wouldnt hve been in the same place to have hit them …Well you cant fault that logic…
As you say, the logic is sound. I apply the same logic to driving on black ice. I drive as fast as I can, the less time you spend on that stuff, the less time there is for things to go wrong.
Regards. John.
Dr Damon:
The big problem is we cannot let the average driver decide when it is safe to speed.Drivers perceive situations very differently.
eg An 18 year old may think it is perfectly safe to drive in a built up area at 40mph where as a 70 year old would think it highly dangerous.Another example would be a driver that was late would probably risk speeding in an unsuitable area where as if they were on time they might stick to the limit.The bottom line is we have to have speed limits whether we like them or not otherwise the roads would be more lethal than they are now.Drivers cannot control themselves at the best of times.I know people get angry at speed cameras and say it is nothing to do with road safety but they have saved lives and of course caused accidents.eg What do drivers do when they see a camera.Slow down or worse slam the brakes on!
It would be great to see plenty Police back on our roads but the Police like everyone else are struggling financially so at present that option is not really feasable.
Sorry but speed is quite often a big contributor to road accidents.
What solution do you have?
I agree, the average driver shouldn’t be able to decide when its safe to speed but surveys show 80%+ (not sure of official stats but I’m sure its higher so i’ll be conservative) admit to speeding anyway regardless and I doubt the majority have killed anyone or even been in an accident due to excessive speed exclusively.
Would you attribute that to luck or what? why aren’t there bodies and wreckages around every corner if so many admit flouting the law and speeding?
contrary to popular belief, the driving standards here are very high and the UK has some of the safest roads in the World (3rd last time I checked), how is this possible if so many people admit to speeding? After all, it kills and contributes to accidents right?
its a money spinner, and a very effective one at that because its so easy to enforce, you don’t even need officers