55hrs £477 gross…ffs Its not only Stobarts paying this pittance though. Its no wonder so few new drivers around…
You read all that about the meal allowances and realise why HMRC tried to come down so hard on night out payments. It may be legal but I’m not sure about the ethics of it.
Stobarts and ethics
You’re bang on mate.
Pushing the “package” as a wage is a con, an hourly rate is the bottom line from where you should judge a company and it’s attitude to both drivers and the industry.
55hrs £477 gross…ffs Its not only Stobarts paying this pittance though. Its no wonder so few new drivers around…
You read all that about the meal allowances and realise why HMRC tried to come down so hard on night out payments. It may be legal but I’m not sure about the ethics of it.
Stobarts and ethics
You’re bang on mate.
Pushing the “package” as a wage is a con, an hourly rate is the bottom line from where you should judge a company and it’s attitude to both drivers and the industry.
It could even perhaps be construed as tax avoidance; it being a given that the less wages Stobarts pay, the less employers’ National Insurance contributions they pay too. You can rest assured that they’re not doing it for the benefit of their drivers!
55hrs £477 gross…ffs Its not only Stobarts paying this pittance though. Its no wonder so few new drivers around…
You read all that about the meal allowances and realise why HMRC tried to come down so hard on night out payments. It may be legal but I’m not sure about the ethics of it.
The point that the believers miss is that all those lovely meal and night out allowances, while at first sight making the hourly rate look a little more respectable when incorporated into the weekly “wage” (and since when have wages included reimbursement of expenses…?), if a driver works an extra hour on a weekday he won’t get an extra £10 or £11 (as the believers would have it), he gets an extra £8.68 (my bad for stating £8.40 - I simply misremembered the figure) - or £5.90 after tax and NI. ■■■■ poor for a Class 1 driver, even worse for a multidrop van pilot who doesn’t even get the luxury of actually stopping for a 45 minute break or dossing on the bunk while “waiting”.
Roymondo:
The point that the believers miss is that all those lovely meal and night out allowances, while at first sight making the hourly rate look a little more respectable when incorporated into the weekly “wage” (and since when have wages included reimbursement of expenses…?), if a driver works an extra hour on a weekday he won’t get an extra £10 or £11 (as the believers would have it), he gets an extra £8.68 (my bad for stating £8.40 - I simply misremembered the figure) - or £5.90 after tax and NI. ■■■■ poor for a Class 1 driver, even worse for a multidrop van pilot who doesn’t even get the luxury of actually stopping for a 45 minute break or dossing on the bunk while “waiting”.
Its not just Stobarts though is it, too many hauliers are paying daft rates. It doesnt matter a jot what they call it, meal allowance is tax free and it bumps up the low hourly rate. Other hauliers just pay a low hourly rate full stop. Your right with the overtime rate though, I won’t do it unless it is a Sunday. Then you do get a better rate. The saving grace is that the work is as easy as it comes.
55hrs £477 gross…ffs Its not only Stobarts paying this pittance though. Its no wonder so few new drivers around…
You read all that about the meal allowances and realise why HMRC tried to come down so hard on night out payments. It may be legal but I’m not sure about the ethics of it.
The point that the believers miss is that all those lovely meal and night out allowances, while at first sight making the hourly rate look a little more respectable when incorporated into the weekly “wage” (and since when have wages included reimbursement of expenses…?), if a driver works an extra hour on a weekday he won’t get an extra £10 or £11 (as the believers would have it), he gets an extra £8.68 (my bad for stating £8.40 - I simply misremembered the figure) - or £5.90 after tax and NI. ■■■■ poor for a Class 1 driver, even worse for a multidrop van pilot who doesn’t even get the luxury of actually stopping for a 45 minute break or dossing on the bunk while “waiting”.
but why get so upset about it , that’s what gets me , I couldn’t give a ■■■■ what dhl , maratime or joe blogs transport get , as long as I live ok I’m fine , I think the jobs ■■■■ but money I’m fine , in actual fact if they want to lop 10/20 hrs , 4 nights out of the weeks wage I’d be fine , I got told tonight if I go home ( my drop in mornings 20 mins from yard ) , park in yard there not paying me £22.50 , see you in morning
£22.50 , 13 hrs in layby , services or night at home , zb the money
No, it doesn’t bump up the hourly rate! It gives the impression of doing so at first sight, but in fact it simply hides the same low rate. Even Stobarts’ own published figures from the link quoted earlier clearly show that a day man on 60 hours a week gets £5.90 in his pocket for each of the additional hours that he does when compared to his colleague on 55 hours a week. The tramper who is out all week is on an even lower hourly rate. It’s crap. Period.
Roymondo:
The point that the believers miss is that all those lovely meal and night out allowances, while at first sight making the hourly rate look a little more respectable when incorporated into the weekly “wage” (and since when have wages included reimbursement of expenses…?), if a driver works an extra hour on a weekday he won’t get an extra £10 or £11 (as the believers would have it), he gets an extra £8.68 (my bad for stating £8.40 - I simply misremembered the figure) - or £5.90 after tax and NI. ■■■■ poor for a Class 1 driver, even worse for a multidrop van pilot who doesn’t even get the luxury of actually stopping for a 45 minute break or dossing on the bunk while “waiting”.
Its not just Stobarts though is it, too many hauliers are paying daft rates. It doesnt matter a jot what they call it, meal allowance is tax free and it bumps up the low hourly rate. Other hauliers just pay a low hourly rate full stop. Your right with the overtime rate though, I won’t do it unless it is a Sunday. Then you do get a better rate. The saving grace is that the work is as easy as it comes.
it always makes me laugh when xmas commes round and they can suddenly offer £50 per shift bonus if you work a o/t shift in the run up to xmas , so a average 10 hr shift , that’s £5 per hour more than they normally pay or should I say they claim they can only afford to pay
Roymondo:
No, it doesn’t bump up the hourly rate! It gives the impression of doing so at first sight, but in fact it simply hides the same low rate. Even Stobarts’ own published figures from the link quoted earlier clearly show that a day man on 60 hours a week gets £5.90 in his pocket for each of the additional hours that he does when compared to his colleague on 55 hours a week. The tramper who is out all week is on an even lower hourly rate. It’s crap. Period.
Yes it does bump up your hourly rate, it doesn’t matter what label is put on it, it is what you earn that is the important thing, I couldn’t give a toss what you think is crap, no doubt your on 45k for 38 hrs. At the end of the day the job is ■■■■ easy and no stress, as far as driving jobs go it isn’t bad. I don’t understand what your point actually is. You just get on with the job and take the money, every driver earns what he is happy with, I have earned more and had better jobs, if I wasn’t happy with it I wouldn’t do it. The money is good enough there are harder jobs out there and a lot less paid jobs at that.
Just remember ber when you take 2 weeks holiday you’ll be £300 down on your wage,the only reason Stobrats have their pay structure the way they do is because it saves them hundreds of thousands a year on employees holiday pay because they only pay an average of your TAXABLE pay as holiday pay so not including nights out or meal allowance…so you will be paid £8.86ph for a the 4/5 weeks the year that you take as holidays.
Every HGV driver should give van multi drop a try.
Trouble is when you work for a delivery company and a van driver lets them down so they just throw it on a rigid and expect it to get done… <— The downside of wag and drag
I assume that this is not a career move but just a one off for some peculiar reason. So what is all this rubbish about running about, or ringing the doorbell and then going back to the van for the parcel? Chill out, the chances of getting all 50 drops off are pretty slim unless you are used to this kind of work. You can be absolutely certain that speeding tickets or parking tickets will be coming out of your own pocket, so relax and do the job how it is meant to be done and not how the poor wee timorous beasties quake in their boots at the thought of it. If the company is daft enough to send out a rookie on a multi drop round with a large number of time critical deliveries then they fully deserve all the consequences.
adam277:
Every HGV driver should give van multi drop a try.
Trouble is when you work for a delivery company and a van driver lets them down so they just throw it on a rigid and expect it to get done… <— The downside of wag and drag
Are you SERIOUS? Half the blokes on here consider two hits to be multi-drop. Most of them open their bowels more times a day than they do their curtains.
adam277:
Every HGV driver should give van multi drop a try.
Trouble is when you work for a delivery company and a van driver lets them down so they just throw it on a rigid and expect it to get done… <— The downside of wag and drag
My one & only ever class one job was 10-15 drops a day loads of handball to convenience stores,Birmingham/Manchester/Leeds/Bradford ect,struggle to park at most stores,stores in the middle of housing estates ect ect…done it for 16 years,had drivers come and go who who couldn’t hack it for more than a day and some not even that long.
Some people don’t mind a bit of graft,others are called trunkers
dozy:
Thanks all , didn’t get in the end , just a load to Bradford , then wakfield to dart ford ( think he could tell I wasn’t keen ( too right ) , asked him about it as I didn’t know they had vans / rigids , said it’s something they want to get more into , now sat outside a builders merchants thinking thank Christ
Probably just as well - he’d only get back to his unit and find another dent/scratch/ scrape on it and more tears before bedtime.
adam277:
I’d prefer multi drop at my gaff if I had a tail lift, unfortunately I can’t due to the VBG coupling. Can’t pull a trailer and have a tail lift.
adam277:
I’d prefer multi drop at my gaff if I had a tail lift, unfortunately I can’t due to the VBG coupling. Can’t pull a trailer and have a tail lift.
Unless the tail lift is on the trailer. [emoji3]
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■■■■ that. If you think multi drop in an artic is a pain try it with an A frame trailer. I don’t mind a challenge but I think even I wouldn’t try that, unless I knew the delivery points.
Its not only Stobarts paying this pittance though. Its no wonder so few new drivers around…
, see you in morning
