What the ■■■■ is the point of haulage then and owner drivers?! We should all ■■■■■■■ jack in and do something else■■? I hate the negative mentality in these forums… ■■■■ it!!
SCANIA730:
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I see what you are saying but this is true… It’s a family grounds works business who turns over millions and they have no idea what to charge!
Yeah right, that’s no doubt how they ended up a multi-million pound company. 
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This must be an April fools posting,on muck shifting you will be lucky to get an hourly rate of £35-£40 an hour or £50-£60 per load for an 8 wheeler on local work.So dream on dude.
shirtbox2003:
This must be an April fools posting,on muck shifting you will be lucky to get an hourly rate of £35-£40 an hour or £50-£60 per load for an 8 wheeler on local work.So dream on dude.
Why the ■■■■ do people buy 8-wheelers then?!
SCANIA730:
shirtbox2003:
This must be an April fools posting,on muck shifting you will be lucky to get an hourly rate of £35-£40 an hour or £50-£60 per load for an 8 wheeler on local work.So dream on dude.Why the [zb] do people buy 8-wheelers then?!
Simply because they are the tool for the task in hand! The job pays the going rate, like carting stone/tarmac etc, and folk accept that and set their stall out accordingly. If you can obtain 4 grand a week profit on a regular basis then you don’t need any advice from here, just quietly get on with doing it and good luck for the future. 
Pete.
You asked for our thoughts sorry if don’t like the replies.
SCANIA730:
What the [zb] is the point of haulage then and owner drivers?! We should all [zb] jack in and do something else■■? I hate the negative mentality in these forums… [zb] it!!
You’ve been given good advice from people who know what they’re on about, but throw a hissy fit like a big girls blouse when it don’t fit with your agenda ,crack on geez!, you’re a wind up merchant mate 
SCANIA730:
What the [zb] is the point of haulage then and owner drivers?! We should all [zb] jack in and do something else■■? I hate the negative mentality in these forums… [zb] it!!
People have just given you their best advice. I don’t run a large earthworks company with a multi-million pound turnover, but even I know that I wouldn’t have to pay £6,000 a week to hire a tipper and driver. As I said before, offering £3,000 a week I’d get my arm bitten off.
A general rule of thumb, not just about tipper operation, but everything…
“If it looks too good to be true, it probably is”.
A groundwork firm that don’t know there costs that’s good all the ones I’ve known would change haulers if someone cut the rate by 10p.
200 hundred a load and pay the tip at 100-120 a load sounds more realistic.
SCANIA730:
What the [zb] is the point of haulage then and owner drivers?! We should all [zb] jack in and do something else■■? I hate the negative mentality in these forums… [zb] it!!
Negative mentality or a reality check? Theres guys on here who know the business and have the experience to give you sound advice, and have done so- just because it spoils your dream doesn’t make them wrong- and not listening to them probably ensures your dream will never happen- or if it does it doesn’t last long.
I do agree with some of the posters above, your either a fantasist- or some ones about to cost you an awful lot of money on promises that wont be delivered
One last point to consider- while your driving about look at the tippers on muck a way work and see how many are brand new top of the range- and how many are well battered old knackers- that will tell you if there is 6 grand a week in the work
Scania 730, Where are you? give us an update we’re all waiting for the next post,are you on the road to fame and fortune 
Could be the next dan ryan. Mind you appering on tv throwing bottles at investagative journalists is the fame most of us need. 
better off chucking it into a good ■■■■■ house …and enjoy…
kr79:
A groundwork firm that don’t know there costs that’s good all the ones I’ve known would change haulers if someone cut the rate by 10p.
200 hundred a load and pay the tip at 100-120 a load sounds more realistic.
THIS!!
SCANIA730:
milodon:
it is true, rich people got rich by being oblivious to the current economic situation and burning money like there’s no tomorrow. I’m not saying you’ll have a villa in antibes and a 200ft yacht but a beachhouse in fuengirola and a hundred-footer, definitely.Yep!! All what I’m saying is true so in going to go for it I feel…
People are going to be sceptical on here about the figures you’ve quoted so I’d just accept that, move on & keep it under your hat obviously.
Hire one or buy 2nd hand then if it goes pear shaped, you won’t lose your house. Better yet go limited & then you are free to rack up as much debt as you like & if it goes ■■■■, you can just swan off to Marbs & start up again with a clean slate in a few months.
If you can get a bullet proof contract drawn up, i.e. they guarantee a weekly earning even if they have no work, I’d bite his hand off.
Trust no one & always think worst case scenario, good luck. 
SCANIA730:
hello all, i have spoke to a friend who is heavily involved in groundwork’s. He says he pays 8-wheeler tippers £200 a load carting muck to and from pits and sites.
And you’ll pay (at Oxfordshire rates) £90/load tipping charges if it’s muck, whether they can wash it in an aggregate plant or landfill it. Then the local tip operator might not allow outsiders to tip in their pits unless you’re hauling for them, in which case you WONT be getting £200/load more like £450 day rate if you’re lucky.
The way to make something in the region of what you say is if you had your own hole in the ground to tip in or you have a yard where you could screen and sell topsoil and ■■■■■■■■.
You also wont be hauling rubble for £200/load either as builders know you will get a cheap or even a free tip to get rid of it.
splitshift:
Believe me groundwork firms are very handy round a pound note and know the costings of everything down to the last brass farthing!
This. They often price the job by £ x per cubic metre, and how often when there’s only about half a load left do they say “that’s it drive, we can lose the rest”?
SCANIA730:
shirtbox2003:
This must be an April fools posting,on muck shifting you will be lucky to get an hourly rate of £35-£40 an hour or £50-£60 per load for an 8 wheeler on local work.So dream on dude.Why the [zb] do people buy 8-wheelers then?!
People buy trucks to do a days work, and that is not £200 per load for local muck away.
The problem you have is it appears you are to arrogant to listen to people that do know what they are talking about.
I would always be the first to encourage anybody to work for themselves, but if you do not listen to advice then you will end up down the pan.,.,
Fact is mate, the rate you are quoting is absolute nonsense, not even close. AND that is not being negative just Truthful.
Iv done that here and taken home £60 sobs. driving only mind. there waggons, but worked like a horse. someones kiddin you silly. get real.
Despite all the work going on, my 6wheeler hasn’t moved since Thursday. I’m on the 8wheeler (11 hour day today, muckshifting on different sites) and the boss is doing a job on our 7.5t Isuzu, charging 6wheeler money. It wasn’t long ago he was looking to buy a new 6wheeler but there aren’t many jobs that are 6wheeler specific anymore. Those that once were, now get done by grab firms (which are in abundance around here, hence why we don’t run one). Plus a new 6wheeler costs almost as much as a new 8wheeler and some tips charge the same for both sizes of wagon.