MP is not interested in Drivers problems at Calais

tommy t:

simon1958:

tommy t:
What about the Man child rapeugees that are being brought into this country without any medical or dental checks ? total bollox’s that’s what, and then you have that mentally insane corbyn shouting for more to be brought over

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/21/exclusive-video-immigration-officials-erect-15ft-fence-hide-child-migrants/

It was clear from before Treason May got into no10 that she/they were going to scam the people of this country , they will not deliver Brexit , unless the people make a stand , national strikes , mass protests get the lying re moaners out of office with a vote of no confidence, that’s if we really want to leave the corrupt EU and put an end to this invading army they in government have been taking the people of this country for fools time that stopped

… ‘‘Treason May’’. Like it. Was’nt she the last one with a political snout in the ‘expnses’ trough :question: :imp: .

not sure on that but i found this

Theresa May claimed just £4,288 on her second home allowance in 2007/08

There will be more than this though,
Entertainment and Media - MarketWatch

Must be tough a the top eh?.. :open_mouth:

simon1958:

tommy t:

simon1958:

tommy t:
What about the Man child rapeugees that are being brought into this country without any medical or dental checks ? total bollox’s that’s what, and then you have that mentally insane corbyn shouting for more to be brought over

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/21/exclusive-video-immigration-officials-erect-15ft-fence-hide-child-migrants/

It was clear from before Treason May got into no10 that she/they were going to scam the people of this country , they will not deliver Brexit , unless the people make a stand , national strikes , mass protests get the lying re moaners out of office with a vote of no confidence, that’s if we really want to leave the corrupt EU and put an end to this invading army they in government have been taking the people of this country for fools time that stopped

… ‘‘Treason May’’. Like it. Was’nt she the last one with a political snout in the ‘expnses’ trough :question: :imp: .

not sure on that but i found this

Theresa May claimed just £4,288 on her second home allowance in 2007/08

There will be more than this though,
Entertainment and Media - MarketWatch

Must be tough a the top eh?.. :open_mouth:

none imo should be able to claim expenses for second homes when there are ex forces that are homeless

A those who need to stay in london in connection with their jobs, should get provided with very basic digs, anything else they should pay out of their salaries, in this day where it’s possible for video conferences they don’t have justification to waste tax payers money like the are,

tommyt. It’s the same mentality throughout whichever political party which holds office… ‘’ It’s only tax payers money, We can do what we like and stuff them if they don’t like it’’ attitude. BREXIT will be the next step,… bit like ol’ Fred D when he couldn’t use controlled ex’p. He used the burning pillars technique to bring the stack down, only the pillars I’m thinking of are the empty British
MEP’s. What were their salaries again?.. 70,000 per year +40,000 expenses :question: :unamused: :smiling_imp:

The only answer to all this is to turn over the entire house of commons. The other candidates who’s parties are expecting them to lose each time there’s an election - should make considerably better MPs than those who think that “once in the job - I’m not going anywhere!”

Am I the only one who seems to be observing a higher turnover of white collar workers within the transport industry than us blue collar folk btw?

I struggle as to what many of these suits actually do to earn their money actually. :frowning:

Winseer:
The only answer to all this is to turn over the entire house of commons. The other candidates who’s parties are expecting them to lose each time there’s an election - should make considerably better MPs than those who think that “once in the job - I’m not going anywhere!”

Am I the only one who seems to be observing a higher turnover of white collar workers within the transport industry than us blue collar folk btw?

I struggle as to what many of these suits actually do to earn their money actually. :frowning:

Well said.

tommy t:
It was clear from before Treason May got into no10 that she/they were going to scam the people of this country

^ This

Why would someone who claims that Brexit means Brexit have any further interest in taking part in the European Council or trying to set the EU agenda regarding kicking off a bleedin fight with Russia over a load of so called ‘good’ Islamists supported by her Saudi mates.She’s just another Blair in a skirt. :open_mouth: :unamused: :imp:

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10 … onitors-w/

On that note notice her words here it is vital that ‘we’ work together rather than ‘you’ and ‘us’.IE proof of her hidden remain agenda.

And what of that Article 50. Was that some sort of political time bomb set by Ted Heath in the 70’s as a ‘‘Don’t blame me if it goes ■■■■ up in the future’’?. Some sort of insurance clause.

simon1958:
And what of that Article 50.

At face value it seems to be a catch 22 clause put into the Lisbon treaty that effectively removes the right of secession.

“right” of anything at all… “Entitlement” “Legally”…

I don’t believe that Brexit can actually be done legally, because we’ve never been entitled (because the EU are entitled) and we have no rights, having given them over to Strasbourg for their version that trumps Magna Carta as it stands.

I reckon we’d have to break multiple EU laws to “pull away” and do Brexit properly, thus there is only ‘hard brexit’. You don’t ‘negotiate’ Hard brexit though. The very notion is absurd if you think about it.

I’m thinking that it’s more akin to where Hitler took Germany when first assuming office:

(1) Stopped the reparation payments
(2) Re-built German industry.
(3) Massive infrastructure programme, solving the unemployment crisis that continued in other countries during the depression '30s decade.
(4) Re-armed Germany

All four of these things were considered illegal acts at the time, breaching the treaty of Versailles no less.
Hitler was able to push them through because America and Britain in particular were being served by weak negotiators at the time who could have offered Germany reasons to ditch Hitler in exchange for massive aid and debt forgiveness etc. - which is kind of where we are now with the EU. They didn’t think they needed to bother though, just as the EU commissioners right now “don’t think they need to bother” offering Britain any concessions. They didn’t bother during “Happy Hour” when such concessions would easily have swung the tiny 52% swing in favour of Brexit over to Remain winning the referendum already.
Now we’ve got that mandate though, small though it is, the EU are going to have to offer a LOT more to keep us in now, that the British people will accept. They STILL are not bothering though.
Perhaps Theresa May is “negotiating” what needs to be offered that she thinks the British people would accept as a “drop Brexit” deal then.

If we do Brexit, NATO itself will be weakened - so the stakes couldn’t be higher.
I predict that before this is all over, there will be numerous “nasty tricks” brought into play, perhaps including assassinations.

Meanwhile, no one gives a hoot about obvious Jihadist-aged types being waved through from Calais as “kids” which is more disturbing to me that there are not any real 5-9 year olds, teenage girls, or families without husbands who’ve been killed fighting ISIS - which is what we should be EXPECTING from genuine Syrian refugees right now.

Jesus Wept. If only Labour had taken a stance against Remain because that was the way the incumbent Tory PM Cameron wanted to go! That’s my definition of what HM Opposition should be doing FFS! :imp:
Even the Libdems could have made good recovery from their 8 seat total - IF they’d got behind the real wind direction here - but no.
UKIP have imploded due to infiltration by some right nasty types - so no help there either.

That gives Theresa May, and her two Remainer cohorts an open own goal net to kick a ball into, which takes us back into the EU, which would be the equivalent right now to this country of the Treaty of Versailles being adhered to to the letter. The upside is “No Hitler” maybe - but the downside? - Britain is finished as a sovereign nation state, to be over-run politically by these idiots who think nothing of bullying their neighbours, letting in all and any of our enemies, and throughout all this? - There’s “never any money for home-grown Brits - It’s racist, Xenophobic, and Islamophobic for you even to ask”. :frowning:

Yes. Turn over the entire house of commons. How about a 326 seats going to independent MPs, each one who serves their constituency loyally. They’d become as Nomarchs, and there would be considerable risk to the “Republican” movement in this country - but hey! - I can live with that! :sunglasses: :grimacing:

Winseer:
“right” of anything at all… “Entitlement” “Legally”…

I don’t believe that Brexit can actually be done legally, because we’ve never been entitled (because the EU are entitled) and we have no rights, having given them over to Strasbourg for their version that trumps Magna Carta as it stands.

I reckon we’d have to break multiple EU laws to “pull away” and do Brexit properly, thus there is only ‘hard brexit’. You don’t ‘negotiate’ Hard brexit though. The very notion is absurd if you think about it.

I’m thinking that it’s more akin to where Hitler took Germany when first assuming office:

(1) Stopped the reparation payments
(2) Re-built German industry.
(3) Massive infrastructure programme, solving the unemployment crisis that continued in other countries during the depression '30s decade.
(4) Re-armed Germany

All four of these things were considered illegal acts at the time, breaching the treaty of Versailles no less.
Hitler was able to push them through because America and Britain in particular were being served by weak negotiators at the time who could have offered Germany reasons to ditch Hitler in exchange for massive aid and debt forgiveness etc. - which is kind of where we are now with the EU. They didn’t think they needed to bother though, just as the EU commissioners right now “don’t think they need to bother” offering Britain any concessions. They didn’t bother during “Happy Hour” when such concessions would easily have swung the tiny 52% swing in favour of Brexit over to Remain winning the referendum already.
Now we’ve got that mandate though, small though it is, the EU are going to have to offer a LOT more to keep us in now, that the British people will accept. They STILL are not bothering though.
Perhaps Theresa May is “negotiating” what needs to be offered that she thinks the British people would accept as a “drop Brexit” deal then.

If we do Brexit, NATO itself will be weakened - so the stakes couldn’t be higher.
I predict that before this is all over, there will be numerous “nasty tricks” brought into play, perhaps including assassinations.

Meanwhile, no one gives a hoot about obvious Jihadist-aged types being waved through from Calais as “kids” which is more disturbing to me that there are not any real 5-9 year olds, teenage girls, or families without husbands who’ve been killed fighting ISIS - which is what we should be EXPECTING from genuine Syrian refugees right now.

Jesus Wept. If only Labour had taken a stance against Remain because that was the way the incumbent Tory PM Cameron wanted to go! That’s my definition of what HM Opposition should be doing FFS! :imp:
Even the Libdems could have made good recovery from their 8 seat total - IF they’d got behind the real wind direction here - but no.
UKIP have imploded due to infiltration by some right nasty types - so no help there either.

That gives Theresa May, and her two Remainer cohorts an open own goal net to kick a ball into, which takes us back into the EU, which would be the equivalent right now to this country of the Treaty of Versailles being adhered to to the letter. The upside is “No Hitler” maybe - but the downside? - Britain is finished as a sovereign nation state, to be over-run politically by these idiots who think nothing of bullying their neighbours, letting in all and any of our enemies, and throughout all this? - There’s “never any money for home-grown Brits - It’s racist, Xenophobic, and Islamophobic for you even to ask”. :frowning:

Yes. Turn over the entire house of commons. How about a 326 seats going to independent MPs, each one who serves their constituency loyally. They’d become as Nomarchs, and there would be considerable risk to the “Republican” movement in this country - but hey! - I can live with that! :sunglasses: :grimacing:

By the wording of article 50 there is no way that we can ‘leave’ the EU other than on the EU’s terms.In which case hard Brexit by definition would mean ignoring article 50 on the grounds that the referendum manifesto and decision based on same makes the Lisbon treaty void because it actually makes the 1975 referendum result void.With the recent referendum being based on the issue of sovereignty not a ‘common market’.With the Lisbon treaty having effectively already removed the right of sovereignty including the issue of secession.

The only concession that the EU could possibly make in that regard that would change that situation would be either a Confederal Europe or the choice between Federal or Confederal.IE qualified majority voting or commissioner directive for those EU states that want it and national MEP sovereign right of opt out and substitution at least,for those who don’t,or a constitution just based on the latter.Which in the case of the Calais immigration problem would mean the right to deport such immigration without regard to the ECHR or ECJ or any other EU pro immigration bs.

On that note it seems that Farage has fallen into a remain trap by going for the return of powers to the remain EU puppet parliament which is hell bent on handing those powers back.Which explains why we’ve now replaced remainer Cameron with remainer May with Brexit no closer now than it was before the referendum.With soft Brexit being an inevitability even ‘if’ May decides to go through with the sham of pretending she’s implemented the vote.

As for re election of new MP’s under constituency boundaries.The point is that on a local constituency electoral basis remain has a massive majority just as in the case of 4 million votes per seat in the case of UKIP. :bulb: :unamused:

While NATO membership obviously isn’t dependent on EU membership.

It’s a lot harder to con someone who’s expecting to be conned.

Meanwhile, over in Oxfordshire - the drop in Tory majority is being put down to “Libdems are bang on the money with trying to turn over Brexit” rather than “Cameron’s safe seat ain’t as safe anymore as he thought!” which is the spin I would put upon that particular result.

The Libdems coming second is a lose result - NOT under any circumstances a “win result, and an increase of 12.5% of the number of seats held by Libdems”.

Such an argument might hold sway in a Libdem seat like Shetland - but it takes a bit more than that to fool the rest of us in “civilization” let’s say.

Labour only getting 85% of the poll in a seat where no other main parties, not even UKIP stood - doesn’t exactly impress either.

If our establishment parliament are voting 3:1 that we turn over Brexit “Or we’ll make this pretend Brexit hurt as much as problem” - then that 75% of the house that we’re told are in favour of “Remain” are all bloody traitors.

There’s even a number of remain voters I’ve spoken to - who only voted that way, because they wanted a strong Brexit, didn’t think they could get it, voted Remain because a weak Remain win would stand as “Status quo” better than a weak Brexit win - which even I feared as the most damaging scenario when I too was a remain supporter right back at the stage when Cameron was promising to get some meaningful concessions from the EU.
I tilted toward Brexit when he came back with f— all needless to say. :unamused: :angry:

The issue behind all this of NATO - another club that we seriously need to get out of right now.
Why?
OUT of NATO we’d have a similar future to New Zealand - but without the Earthquakes.
IN and we’re likely to get roped into a war with Russia before long, and get nuked for our troubles, especially if NATO start WWIII forgetting about the “Dead Man’s Switch” that’s been common knowledge for decades by this point. :frowning:

Try this for some scaremongering, bearing in mind the news this week and all… Not bad as a “prophetic” bit of scenario building considering that this was originally released in July of this year. :open_mouth:

CF, this is a truck drivers site, nobody wants to see the rubbish pasted and copied off your internet .

I’ve read a lot of Alex’s write ups, both in various magazines and on internet forums, the one thing Alex does is talk common sense…which is far more than any politician does, or any local councillor, infact, it appears that if you want to work in any government or council position, that after your interview and the day you start your new position, you are taken to a small room where the top of your head is taken off, and the sensible side of your brain removed, and replaced with a dough mix, or Blu-tac .

There is no, and never has been, any common sense in anything any politician says of does, that’s the way it is…this case is a prime example, someone living in a different world to the rest of us normal beings…of course she doesn’t care about the drivers, what does she know about their work, their difficulties, and the stress of coming through Calais, she doesn’t give a dam, as long as the 20 to 35 year old “illegal children” are OK, why is she bothered about a hard working British lorry driver…

It starts at the top in government, how can, after a reshuffle a minister of work and pensions can be made a minister of transport over night, and what does any minister of transport ever know about the haulage industry, bet they’ve never been in a lorry in their life, let along hold a lgv licence, ( remember Barbara Castle, didn’t even have a car licence,) and that’s the problem, the industry is governed by people who haven’t a clue, and, just like the women that Alex tackled, they just don’t give a dam…

Winseer:
It’s a lot harder to con someone who’s expecting to be conned.

Meanwhile, over in Oxfordshire - the drop in Tory majority is being put down to “Libdems are bang on the money with trying to turn over Brexit” rather than “Cameron’s safe seat ain’t as safe anymore as he thought!” which is the spin I would put upon that particular result.

The Libdems coming second is a lose result - NOT under any circumstances a “win result, and an increase of 12.5% of the number of seats held by Libdems”.

Such an argument might hold sway in a Libdem seat like Shetland - but it takes a bit more than that to fool the rest of us in “civilization” let’s say.

Labour only getting 85% of the poll in a seat where no other main parties, not even UKIP stood - doesn’t exactly impress either.

If our establishment parliament are voting 3:1 that we turn over Brexit “Or we’ll make this pretend Brexit hurt as much as problem” - then that 75% of the house that we’re told are in favour of “Remain” are all bloody traitors.

There’s even a number of remain voters I’ve spoken to - who only voted that way, because they wanted a strong Brexit, didn’t think they could get it, voted Remain because a weak Remain win would stand as “Status quo” better than a weak Brexit win - which even I feared as the most damaging scenario when I too was a remain supporter right back at the stage when Cameron was promising to get some meaningful concessions from the EU.
I tilted toward Brexit when he came back with f— all needless to say. :unamused: :angry:

The issue behind all this of NATO - another club that we seriously need to get out of right now.
Why?
OUT of NATO we’d have a similar future to New Zealand - but without the Earthquakes.
IN and we’re likely to get roped into a war with Russia before long, and get nuked for our troubles, especially if NATO start WWIII forgetting about the “Dead Man’s Switch” that’s been common knowledge for decades by this point. :frowning:

Try this for some scaremongering, bearing in mind the news this week and all… Not bad as a “prophetic” bit of scenario building considering that this was originally released in July of this year. :open_mouth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y_4rZ0aXMw

Firstly it’s clear that the Conservative vote is allied to the LibDem vote in supporting remain and with it over turning the referendum decision which is a dissident Labour based vote that has no effective representation at a parliamentary level.On that basis Brexit is toast.While the issue of it actually being made easier for the ‘refugees’ to get in helped by May and her puppet media just reflects that situation.

As for NATO realistically it’s the only credible defence we have in the region,which,like the EU,would probably be better sorted from within by chucking out the nutters like Obama and Clinton who are running the show etc not by leaving it.As for the scenario in the video absolutely brilliant piece of foresight like a modern day version of Threads made the last time we almost sleepwalked into WW3.Although I’d say it would be more likely that Turkey would say the order to shoot down the Russian aircraft came from America and NATO’s leadership against their wishes and they are now joining Russia together with Iran and Syria while the Saudis are reviewing their position. :open_mouth: :bulb:

express.co.uk/news/world/698 … key-Russia

We need defence FROM Nato - not IN it.

Wot are they supposed to be “Protecting” us from?

20+ year old Islamic high-liability illegal immigrants flooding our shores?
Protect us from “Russian Aggression” when last time I looked, NATO allies like Turkey are trying to capture Northern Syria for themselves, and it’s genocide at their hands for any troublesome Kurds, Russians, Syrian Forces, Civilians, and UN Convoys that get in the way?
Losing our own fair Isle to the likes of the loony left that are proliferating around Europe and the west in general?

NATO should have been disbanded once the fall of communism led to the former eastern European states all ceding from Russia at the end of the last century.
It serves no further purpose - other than to “Block” non-existent Soviet Revival.
Russia was making good headway until MH17 was shot down on the orders of Kiev, Russia couldn’t prove it “wasn’t them”, and they end up getting ostracized around the world for what?
More expensive Energy? More “Refugees” in the Pipeline? More chance of WWIII by Christmas?

FFS I’m no leftie - but even our own increasingly nasty-looking Left Wing - doesn’t support the world’s premier communist superpowers of Russia and China. They support letting Islamics in to kill us instead, long term.
They will NOT integrate with us, but will expect US to convert to THEIR way of doing things.

If the Left cannot see that they should look after their own supporters FIRST, that being the working classes - then they’ll find NO real ally in trying to get the vote of the average immigrant, who either doesn’t bother voting, or will seek to push back the Islamic Front Line in this country as it is…

Less rights for Women. No access to Islamic Women. No integration or tolerance whilst the rest of us get lectured to “tolerate” them.

There’s no better life for anyone coming to Britain - unless you get rid of those here first who object to you having that “better life” at British expense.
The world shrugged off the apparent Yoke of being part of the British Empire last century. They don’t want to be part of US - They want our systems, infrastructure, wealth, and jobs to be theirs by right of populous conquest.

When no one listens to sense for too long - sense goes out of the window, and right wing extremism assumes the front line against the hand-wringing wreckers instead.
Just remember: A soldier killing people is no longer considered a “murderer” once we all realize the war has actually started already. :frowning:
This time - it’s “Gallipoli” the other way around: But we, on the defence - are not defending as yet.

I’m not sure who’ll end up destroying us all first - NATO, Islam or the Loony Left. :imp:

Winseer:
We need defence FROM Nato - not IN it.

Wot are they supposed to be “Protecting” us from?

20+ year old Islamic high-liability illegal immigrants flooding our shores?
Protect us from “Russian Aggression” when last time I looked, NATO allies like Turkey are trying to capture Northern Syria for themselves, and it’s genocide at their hands for any troublesome Kurds, Russians, Syrian Forces, Civilians, and UN Convoys that get in the way?
Losing our own fair Isle to the likes of the loony left that are proliferating around Europe and the west in general?

NATO should have been disbanded once the fall of communism led to the former eastern European states all ceding from Russia at the end of the last century.
It serves no further purpose - other than to “Block” non-existent Soviet Revival.
Russia was making good headway until MH17 was shot down on the orders of Kiev, Russia couldn’t prove it “wasn’t them”, and they end up getting ostracized around the world for what?
More expensive Energy? More “Refugees” in the Pipeline? More chance of WWIII by Christmas?

FFS I’m no leftie - but even our own increasingly nasty-looking Left Wing - doesn’t support the world’s premier communist superpowers of Russia and China. They support letting Islamics in to kill us instead, long term.
They will NOT integrate with us, but will expect US to convert to THEIR way of doing things.

If the Left cannot see that they should look after their own supporters FIRST, that being the working classes - then they’ll find NO real ally in trying to get the vote of the average immigrant, who either doesn’t bother voting, or will seek to push back the Islamic Front Line in this country as it is…

Less rights for Women. No access to Islamic Women. No integration or tolerance whilst the rest of us get lectured to “tolerate” them.

There’s no better life for anyone coming to Britain - unless you get rid of those here first who object to you having that “better life” at British expense.
The world shrugged off the apparent Yoke of being part of the British Empire last century. They don’t want to be part of US - They want our systems, infrastructure, wealth, and jobs to be theirs by right of populous conquest.

When no one listens to sense for too long - sense goes out of the window, and right wing extremism assumes the front line against the hand-wringing wreckers instead.
Just remember: A soldier killing people is no longer considered a “murderer” once we all realize the war has actually started already. :frowning:
This time - it’s “Gallipoli” the other way around: But we, on the defence - are not defending as yet.

I’m not sure who’ll end up destroying us all first - NATO, Islam or the Loony Left. :imp:

Firstly Russia will always be an alien paranoid place that we have no option but to ‘protect’ ourselves from.‘Protect’ in this case means ‘defence’ based on the old balance of power regime and deterrents which people like Kennedy and Khruschev both recognised and which,unlike today’s cluster zb,was why the Cold War stayed Cold with both having realised they’d over stepped the mark in Cuba and Turkey.IE we need to defend and take back NATO from the nutters who’ve turned all the old balances of power between East v West from a defensive posture to an offensive one by moving NATO into Russia’s back yard.Including going for ‘regime change’ in Syria and Ukraine as part of the same agenda.

In just the same way that rather than Farage having gone for the stupid idea of returning powers from the EU federation to the federal puppet UK parliament which will just hand them back,he should have stayed where he was and gone for a Confederal Europe instead.Thereby stripping those like Juncker and his unelected commissioner cronies of their power and giving it to UKIP’s MEP’s including himself instead.Walking away isn’t an option bearing in mind our strategic position in either case.IE leaving NATO and/or the EU won’t protect us if/when Hilary Clinton kicks off WW3 with Russia by refusing to back down on eastward EU and NATO expansion.We need people like Trump and Farage and Le Pen to stop the loony left nutters,that are taking over Europe and NATO in that regard,from within by standing their ground.NATO/Islam/and the loonies in the form of Merkel,Juncker,May and Obama/Clinton,all being one and the same in this case.On that note it would be interesting to find out exactly who was behind that video with it seeming to be too close to the real thing for it not to be people close to the front line in defending us and reaching exactly the same conclusions.

Winseer:
FFS I’m no leftie - but even our own increasingly nasty-looking Left Wing - doesn’t support the world’s premier communist superpowers of Russia and China. They support letting Islamics in to kill us instead, long term.
They will NOT integrate with us, but will expect US to convert to THEIR way of doing things.

+1 that’s obvious but their blinkeredness stops them seeing what is staring them in the face

Winseer:
If the Left cannot see that they should look after their own supporters FIRST, that being the working classes ,

I’m not sure who’ll end up destroying us all first - NATO, Islam or the Loony Left. :imp:

I consider myself working class, but i ain’t pro-migration or a re moaner, So your working classes aren’t all left wingers

tommy t:
I consider myself working class, but i ain’t pro-migration or a re moaner, So your working classes aren’t all left wingers

Or to look at it another way there is no pro EU pro immigration monopoly of what defines ‘left’.Just a bunch of deluded nutters trying to claim it.On that note Enoch Powell’s immigration policies and Shore’s and Benn’s views on EU membership were all good for and directed towards the working class. :bulb:

tommy t:

Winseer:
FFS I’m no leftie - but even our own increasingly nasty-looking Left Wing - doesn’t support the world’s premier communist superpowers of Russia and China. They support letting Islamics in to kill us instead, long term.
They will NOT integrate with us, but will expect US to convert to THEIR way of doing things.

+1 that’s obvious but their blinkeredness stops them seeing what is staring them in the face

Winseer:
If the Left cannot see that they should look after their own supporters FIRST, that being the working classes ,

I’m not sure who’ll end up destroying us all first - NATO, Islam or the Loony Left. :imp:

I consider myself working class, but i ain’t pro-migration or a re moaner, So your working classes aren’t all left wingers

I’m not suggesting working class people ARE “Lefties”. If anything, it’s the more intellectual working class that seem to fall to that bent, whereas of the “middle classes” - something more “Liberal” is expected of them.

I would pair Liberals with Remoaners and the only working class who get to go “hard left” - as those who got their degrees, council flats, and women for free in due course.

I don’t think either of those two represents you and me both then. :wink:

Labour represents the Left rather than the Working class who increasingly are diverging.
People like myself are swinging “rightwards” if anything, but I’ve never considered myself “hard right”.
I AM starting to think though that “you don’t set anything alight with frozen flames” right now. “Moderate” anything does not trump “Extreme” the other way.
Even America in their forthcoming election realize that: Bernie was the face of “Moderation”. Hilary thinks she can ape the left to get elected, and Trump hopes he can sprout all this right-wing stuff without LOSING the electorate in the process.

The swing will be “those 50% who don’t normally vote” in US elections.
The result will probably be very close, with possibly Hilary losing the popular vote, but winning or losing outright on the swing state of … Illinois. (You read it here first!)

Guys…

This topic started of as “MP is not interested in Drivers problems at Calais”

I’ve not seen much mention of “Drivers” or “Calais” for a while, so this is headed for Bully’s Bar unless it gets back on-topic quite soon because this is not a place for discussing politics that are nothing to do with the title.

:bulb: I think it would be quite understandable if usual suspect has the sense to be feeling guilty at this point. :wink: