Bewick:
As a matter of interest I wonder just how many Atkinson Borderers were built with the RR engine, I know Dobsons of Edinburgh ( Rylands Group) ran some but I never could recall any others, well at least not hauliers, but no doubt there were some big own account fleets that were tempted on price ! Cheers Bewick.
the ‘Mines Rescue’ Borderer on You Tube has a RR engine Dennis.i wonder if the Coal Board had a fleet of them?
That is one very rare Atkinson not that many made Lonesome George would be a good name for it - .
8LXBV8BRIAN:
I wonder if anyone on the site has copies of the Atki Boderer spec sheets ? they may shed some light on who’s and what that engine is. Cheers Dennis.
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Don,t know year of that spec sheet but just to say I had M reg Defender with ■■■■■■■ in n 10speed Eaton road ranger box from new. Paul
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1970/71 i would say from what was on it photo and spec wise, the cab roof changed around late k-reg start of L-reg as you say the Defender came with
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Guessed spec sheet earlier, mine good motor but 3 yr old when I got my hands on it n she were an easy start addict(me aswell by the time she went) n 6th gear meant leaning on door to get n always felt I they were a possibility of ending up lying in middle of road so dodged it mostly
Just my bit of knowledge, I were on road 74/84 n I never saw an ERF or Akky with RR in. Trev Glover who ran all Fodens in my time Had a L reg S80 with 200 RR in it I drove it once n didn,t seem any better than 180G.
Just a quick un were RR diesel engines a bit of a flash in the pan sort of an affair Paul
Bewick:
As a matter of interest I wonder just how many Atkinson Borderers were built with the RR engine, I know Dobsons of Edinburgh ( Rylands Group) ran some but I never could recall any others, well at least not hauliers, but no doubt there were some big own account fleets that were tempted on price ! Cheers Bewick.
the ‘Mines Rescue’ Borderer on You Tube has a RR engine Dennis.i wonder if the Coal Board had a fleet of them?
I believe the Mines Rescue Atky was a special “one off” and Brian has given it a good name “Lonesome George” Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
As a matter of interest I wonder just how many Atkinson Borderers were built with the RR engine, I know Dobsons of Edinburgh ( Rylands Group) ran some but I never could recall any others, well at least not hauliers, but no doubt there were some big own account fleets that were tempted on price ! Cheers Bewick.
I Dennis you would see Gardner and ■■■■■■■ in lots of haulage motors but just the odd one or two R/R in them bit
like them rare Guy things with ----/---- cylinder engine in them -
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Your not far wrong there Brian ! I think we should kick off a thread looking for Borderers with the Roller engine ! We might have better luck than we have had with the Big J eh! The only one/s I know of were Dobsons of Edinburgh and they were owned by Rylands who were probably the largest Atky Distributors at the time so I bet they got them at “cost” to take them off Atkys hands then found they couldn’t sell them so they stuck into Dobsons ! Just my fertile imagination Bri ! Cheers Dennis.
coomsey:
Just my bit of knowledge, I were on road 74/84 n I never saw an ERF or Akky with RR in. Trev Glover who ran all Fodens in my time Had a L reg S80 with 200 RR in it I drove it once n didn,t seem any better than 180G.
Just a quick un were RR diesel engines a bit of a flash in the pan sort of an affair Paul
I drove for a small firm with five ERF B-series. One had 240 Gardner, three others had 265 Rolls and the third had a 290 Rolls. The RRs were purchased initially because of the non-availability of Gardners but became the standard spec. together with 9-speed Eaton/Fuller and ROR axles. They were a little thirstier than the Gardner but gave a better turn of speed. The only problem I found was that the roll pin locating the oil pump idler gear tended to come loose and shear off. I had this happen to me twice, luckily I spotted the oil pressure being dropping and saved the engine both times. The solution was to put a dab of weld on the end of the roll pin.
I only came across a Rolls in an Atki once and that had been retro fitted to a Mk 2 8-wheeler.
coomsey:
Just my bit of knowledge, I were on road 74/84 n I never saw an ERF or Akky with RR in. Trev Glover who ran all Fodens in my time Had a L reg S80 with 200 RR in it I drove it once n didn,t seem any better than 180G.
Just a quick un were RR diesel engines a bit of a flash in the pan sort of an affair Paul
At Ballidon and Kevin quarries we had two Foden S80’s with Rolls 220 engines fitted, both M registered, with the Foden 12/8/9 speed box (the same box depending on how many gears the driver found!) and they went like ■■■■ off a shovel compared to the 180 Gardners but tended to break gearbox casings. In 1980 we had a Foden tanker arrive fitted with the 265 Rolls and soon they became virtually the standard eight wheeler engine in our fleet and fitted in Fodens and Sed-Ak 400’s, (though a few Gardner LXC’s were still bought but they were very troublesome engines until modified) they (the Rolls) gave very few problems and the one in my Foden did 10+ years without being touched, not even an injector change. It was totally knackered by then though! Some did have liner issues after a few years but generally they were OK, most were rebuilt once and a couple did 15 years or more before being sold on.
Not an Omega from the late 50’s but a 1968 Silver Knight BT 10066C, it was exhibited at the 1968 Earls Court show. Custom built for Heavy Haulage it had a ■■■■■■■ NH250 under the long bonnet coupled to a semi-auto Allison six speed box known as the Torqmatic. You can see the difference between the earlier Omega and the later Silver Knight. On the subject of RR engines and Atkinson, they offered RR up to the new range introduced in 1971 when the models became named such as Borderer, Silver Knight etc. Only ■■■■■■■ and Gardner were options for this series. Franky.
The RR engine was definitely an option offered with the MK11 Atky although I don’t think there were many takers Haulier wise ! Once Seddons took over at Walton-le-Dale They did try to push the RR engine in the 400 as Seddons were big users of RR engines. But getting back to Atkinson, IMHO any Haulier who was able purchase one of these fine motors was by virtue of the fact never going to insult the Chassis by speccing a poxy RR engine Cheers Bewick.
I was trying to bring forward shot of the NCB Mines Rescue Atky plus the Atky spec sheet showing the RR 220 as an option in the Borderer ! ■■■■ it ! Cheers Dennis.
Didn’t Rolls diesels have an advert in CM back in the late 60’s/early 70’s showing an Atkinson of Allinsons with an Eagle engine, it had a lady dancing on the cab roof? Looking on t’internet it shows at least two of Pollocks Atkinsons with RR badges on the grille.
I’m not doubting the above info on the RR Atkinson’s you speak of but bare in mind the info I have states from 1971 which would put them into the J/K and onward registrations for only offering ■■■■■■■ and Gardner. As you know Seddon had acquired Atkinson before this year but the RR engine from my info didn’t make an option again until the 400 series began in 1975. If there are any post 71 Atkinson’s with a RR engine then my info will be incorrect, the Mines Rescue Borderer is a P Reg (76) which puts it a year after the 400 Series was introduced so did Seddon Atkinson still build the Borderer to that date and later or is it an older build that wasn’t registered until 76, as it has been restored, is the RR under the cab original. Do we have another Big J/8LXB type conundrum here, possibly as you can never say never in road transport. Cheers Franky.
Frankydobo:
I’m not doubting the above info on the RR Atkinson’s you speak of but bare in mind the info I have states from 1971 which would put them into the J/K and onward registrations for only offering ■■■■■■■ and Gardner. As you know Seddon had acquired Atkinson before this year but the RR engine from my info didn’t make an option again until the 400 series began in 1975. If there are any post 71 Atkinson’s with a RR engine then my info will be incorrect, the Mines Rescue Borderer is a P Reg (76) which puts it a year after the 400 Series was introduced so did Seddon Atkinson still build the Borderer to that date and later or is it an older build that wasn’t registered until 76, as it has been restored, is the RR under the cab original. Do we have another Big J/8LXB type conundrum here, possibly as you can never say never in road transport. Cheers Franky.
The R/R280 Borderer was a Atkinson build very rare it is too the P reg is correct Waughs had a P-reg Borderer with a Gardner 8lxb and a P-reg 400-Day cab with the Gardner 8lxb. -
Frankydobo:
I’m not doubting the above info on the RR Atkinson’s you speak of but bare in mind the info I have states from 1971 which would put them into the J/K and onward registrations for only offering ■■■■■■■ and Gardner. As you know Seddon had acquired Atkinson before this year but the RR engine from my info didn’t make an option again until the 400 series began in 1975. If there are any post 71 Atkinson’s with a RR engine then my info will be incorrect, the Mines Rescue Borderer is a P Reg (76) which puts it a year after the 400 Series was introduced so did Seddon Atkinson still build the Borderer to that date and later or is it an older build that wasn’t registered until 76, as it has been restored, is the RR under the cab original. Do we have another Big J/8LXB type conundrum here, possibly as you can never say never in road transport. Cheers Franky.
The R/R280 Borderer was a Atkinson build very rare it is too the P reg is correct Waughs had a P-reg Borderer with a Gardner 8lxb and a P-reg 400-Day cab with the Gardner 8lxb. -
Dents of spennymoor got a new Mk11 with Rolls eagle 205 na engine about 1970. It had a plastic dash that kept shaking itself to bits. DB6 speed box & kirkstall axles. I went to RR in 1972 on a coarse on the engine in 1972.
Cheers Dennis.
Cheers Bewick.
■■■■ it ! Cheers Dennis.
