The talk of in cab cameras has been raised in our safety meetings, I made it plain that if they put one in my cab I can assure them they will never see it because I would be gone, I have phone conversations and I refuse to have them listen to me… Or watch me pick my nose.
Rottweiler22:
If someone in the office can log-into a vehicle and watch the driver on a live stream, then to me that’s out of order. It needn’t be done, and it serves no purpose. A camera that simply stores video recordings, and is only accessed in the event of an incident, even though I hate the idea of these cameras, to me this is the furthest they should go. This is providing the camera is only on when the wheels are moving. Watching a driver sleep is wrong on so many levels.
Not to mention the bill for mobile internet access, but to be transmitting 24/7 just on 1 lorry will sent a firm bankrupt
Rottweiler22:
Watching perimeter fences or gates is fine, because it’s for security purposes, but watching employees in real-time for the sake of watching them, possibly to deter procrastination, or make sure they’re just doing their job, is completely detrimental to employer-employee relations. It shows there is no trust. A good employer-employer relationship should be based on trust, people will go the extra mile if they trust each other.Even so, in the unlikely event of a desk-jockey browsing through the live vehicle cameras actually finding a driver on their phone, tablet, etc, what can they do? Install loudspeakers in cabs to warn the driver? George Orwell’s “1984” springs to mind.
This is the holy gail in this tread, they will be constantly finding themselves hiring new drivers as drivers move on
rambo19:
nedflanders:
Its not possible to do this due to privacy lawsLink to that law please.
You won’t get one because there isn’t one, it’s perfectly legal to record what goes on in the workplace at any time. You must be informed this is happening, if it is, is the only proviso. It’s legal to covertly monitor you (although this is a greyer area) as long as your employer suspects wrong doing (law breaking).
Someone else mentioned Ocado in this thread, never mind accident cameras, these are full on covert spy ones, woefully explained several years ago (been posted on this site before, but seem pertinent to this thread).
Great innit?
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I reckon that would just tip me right over the edge, the sneaky basts. 
The red mist would come down and I would be out of a job, …after tracking down the bloke who ordered it to be installed, was found in a corner of the office floor with it sticking out of his arse after it being violently inserted 
That’s a sneaky bloody thing, Ocado noted as a company not fit to work for, cheers for that.
Was talking to my Mrs about this thread, she said funny how they can do this and there’s no right to privacy, but someone from BT phones up and ‘‘no i can only speak to the account holder’’ quoting data protection or some other ■■■■■■■■.
Its all to suit, well it what suits us too.
Its all arse backwards, why can’t these companies see it.
They dumb the job down and employ idiots on the cheap, well bugger me idiots do what idiots do, smash each other up the arse, drive into bridges or trees, tip the bloody thing over and a myriad of other things they do every day of the bloody week.
Quite apart from them falling asleep at the wheel cos they’re working all hours God sends to make a living wage.
So what do we do, we dumb it down further so even dumber buggers can do the job, well sod me that aint working either, so we’ll put cameras in to spy on the idiots we employed because we pay peanuts and haven’t yet worked out why we get monkeys.
You couldn’t make it up. 
Maritime in fairness seem to have recently cottoned onto the driver quality issue & are a lot more rigorous in the past 12 months with the recruitment of new drivers than they once were. The new 4 on 4 off pay rate on the Amazon contract has seen a noticeable improvement in the quality of recruits. Still work to do on the general Mon-Fri container pay though.
it’s talking about old times, robroy, but we found the same recording set up in 5 vehicles…
Not something I’d like. A step to far.
But saying that last week or so somone posted a link on here to a drivers in cab camera him playing with his phone Then crashing into a car killing the occupants.
Which he got jailed for the video was evidence.
But this to me proves 2 things.
1 they worked in this case
But
2 they are pointless as the driver obviously knew they were there.
Yet he didn’t care .
Data protection is your friend…
Ask the company what systo they have in place, as you haven’t giving permission, for them to use any data connected to you, Or company issued a release for us to sign, upon reading it Er not signed,
I don’t have problems with camera footage, I do have an issue about personal information to other agencies.
biggriffin:
Data protection is your friend…Ask the company what systo they have in place, as you haven’t giving permission, for them to use any data connected to you, Or company issued a release for us to sign, upon reading it Er not signed,
I don’t have problems with camera footage, I do have an issue about personal information to other agencies.
I don’t know for sure but I think that they only have to tell you they are doing it and whether you sign or not makes no difference. The same as when you drive into a yard and the big sign says “CCTV in use”.
Releasing any information to “other agencies” would be in breach of the Data Protection Act. This act is very far from toothless and several large companies have been caught out and heavily fined.
Santa:
biggriffin:
Data protection is your friend…Ask the company what systo they have in place, as you haven’t giving permission, for them to use any data connected to you, Or company issued a release for us to sign, upon reading it Er not signed,
I don’t have problems with camera footage, I do have an issue about personal information to other agencies.I don’t know for sure but I think that they only have to tell you they are doing it and whether you sign or not makes no difference. The same as when you drive into a yard and the big sign says “CCTV in use”.
Releasing any information to “other agencies” would be in breach of the Data Protection Act. This act is very far from toothless and several large companies have been caught out and heavily fined.
Correct that they cannot “release” the footage but the police and I would assume the DVSA have the right to “seize” relevent CCTV in an investigation. It’s a 1 page form and then you have to hand it over.
What needs to be done at large firms is as many drivers as possible, report that the stress of being watched all day is affecting their ability to drive safely and they’re worried it will adversely affect road safety and their mental health.
The firm i just retired from are putting forward and inward facing cameras in the tractors but they’re telling the drivers the inward facing lens is turned off. Isn’t there only one camera recording both ways so unless they physically cover up the driver facing lens then it’s still recording ?
Drempels:
What needs to be done at large firms is as many drivers as possible, report that the stress of being watched all day is affecting their ability to drive safely and they’re worried it will adversely affect road safety and their mental health.
I had this ■■■■■■■■■ once too. When inward facing cameras were installed at my firm, a few drivers covered them (with chewing gum, or bending the tax disc holder thingy over them) and a greater number went running into the office to report that the cameras had been covered over. Managers went over the footage to see when the cameras suddenly went dark, and warnings were issued to the offenders.
Hyper-surveillance is soul destroying.
ezydriver:
Drempels:
What needs to be done at large firms is as many drivers as possible, report that the stress of being watched all day is affecting their ability to drive safely and they’re worried it will adversely affect road safety and their mental health.I had this ■■■■■■■■■ once too. When inward facing cameras were installed at my firm, a few drivers covered them (with chewing gum, or bending the tax disc holder thingy over them) and a greater number went running into the office to report that the cameras had been covered over. Managers went over the footage to see when the cameras suddenly went dark, and warnings were issued to the offenders.
Hyper-surveillance is soul destroying.
That is just crazy, imagine volunteering to be watched?
How do they get around it with trampers? What about privacy when having a daily rest?
Drempels:
ezydriver:
Drempels:
What needs to be done at large firms is as many drivers as possible, report that the stress of being watched all day is affecting their ability to drive safely and they’re worried it will adversely affect road safety and their mental health.I had this ■■■■■■■■■ once too. When inward facing cameras were installed at my firm, a few drivers covered them (with chewing gum, or bending the tax disc holder thingy over them) and a greater number went running into the office to report that the cameras had been covered over. Managers went over the footage to see when the cameras suddenly went dark, and warnings were issued to the offenders.
Hyper-surveillance is soul destroying.
That is just crazy, imagine volunteering to be watched?
How do they get around it with trampers? What about privacy when having a daily rest?
They’re told the cameras only work when the engine is running.
ezydriver:
Drempels:
ezydriver:
Drempels:
What needs to be done at large firms is as many drivers as possible, report that the stress of being watched all day is affecting their ability to drive safely and they’re worried it will adversely affect road safety and their mental health.I had this ■■■■■■■■■ once too. When inward facing cameras were installed at my firm, a few drivers covered them (with chewing gum, or bending the tax disc holder thingy over them) and a greater number went running into the office to report that the cameras had been covered over. Managers went over the footage to see when the cameras suddenly went dark, and warnings were issued to the offenders.
Hyper-surveillance is soul destroying.
That is just crazy, imagine volunteering to be watched?
How do they get around it with trampers? What about privacy when having a daily rest?
They’re told the cameras only work when the engine is running.
Are any of them daft enough to buy that?
I wouldn’t work for a company that did this,but if one firm gets away with it,it might become the norm,and we longer have a choice if all companies have them
Personally I think this will come into Law sooner rather than later. Makes it so easy to get a conviction. No grey areas, nowhere to hide playing with phone/sat nav etc. I had it on buses for years along with audio recording so really couldn’t care less.
I wish you lads would stop trying to convince yourselves these bloody things have to be accepted or are somehow inevitable.
They aint, you do not have to accept them, if you do that’s your choice but no one can force you to.
Of course if you think the fight isn’t worth it, or can’t be arsed, or think you can’t win the fight, then do the other thing, accept them.