Tris:
The day Thatcher sold off the council houses and divided the working man was the day any unity went, and the Tory bosses can now ride rough shod over us and do as they please because Unions have systematically been crushed. Like has been said all the drivers will moan … and then just go along with it.
Although elaborating on this post will risk raising the spectre of Carryfast, … I agree.
Since this and over the last 30 or so years, the phrase ‘Worker’s rights’ is a joke.
Everything our grandfathers, and before, fought for, has been handed back, we have turned full circle back to pre Victorian days where the working man ‘knew his place’ and took anything however unfair or detrimental that was handed out.
Some of you are at the age (under 35 say?) where it is all you know, so you think that it is far too radical to question, and answer back…it isn’t and the type of crap such as the subject of this post is an example of why attitudes should change.
I still find it unbelievable that some of you can not see anything wrong with it…let alone try to justify it
To those that do, if you were offered a new job with the OPTION of an in cab camera or not, which way would you go?
cav551:
There was only one thing wrong with thatcher…it breathed. Thankfully that has now been rectified.
Yeh, but love her or hate her mate, she was very devious and clever.
Adverse effects brought on by her policies, are still being felt by such as us (as has already been explained) after 30 yrs .
She achieved her aims of putting the working classes back in their place, and eradicated most resistance, just look at some of the opinions on here.
Robs definitely right about people just accepting a dry shafting. Some people don’t realise you choose where to work. It’s not a dictatorship. I’ve had a lot of jobs, including 3 stints in my current one as I tend to blow up if I feel like I’m being taken for a ride. I definitely won’t be going back to Maritime though. Cameras on the driver are a ■■■■ take. Stuff the angle about human rights etc, I’m not having someone being able to listen in on my private conversations. Have any of you paid for something with your credit card on the phone? Confirmed security details with the bank? Even rang for another job? And you’re all ok with your employer having a recording of said conversations? Some people really do just take your gruel don’t you. A bit like the eu referendum. You’ll all just accept being another state of Europe
OVLOV JAY:
Cameras on the driver are a ■■■■ take. Stuff the angle about human rights etc, I’m not having someone being able to listen in on my private conversations. Have any of you paid for something with your credit card on the phone? Confirmed security details with the bank? Even rang for another job? And you’re all ok with your employer having a recording of said conversations?
Pretty sure it’s just video recording thats being proposed, no sound, like with the forward facing ones.
cav551:
There was only one thing wrong with thatcher…it breathed. Thankfully that has now been rectified.
Yeh, but love her or hate her mate, she was very devious and clever.
Adverse effects brought on by her policies, are still being felt by such as us (as has already been explained) after 30 yrs .
She achieved her aims of putting the working classes back in their place, and eradicated most resistance, just look at some of the opinions on here.
Indeed, I am old enough to have seen the way in which social engineering has had a detrimental effect upon the human condition, it is a massive backwards step, or steps in actual fact.
I have also read George Orwells 1984 and the similarities are disturbing, to the point of wanting to live in a different country (Which I will have to) I am a qualified ■■■■■■ - Analyst and the fact that there are more anti-depressants being prescribed now, more than at any other time is not a surprise, unfortunately the current working conditions are not good for anyones psychological well being, it will not end well.
I was working at Comet (Yep, that long ago) and they put cameras in looking at the driver, I pulled down the sunvisor, day or night.
They then moved it below the sun visor (I VOR’d 10 lorries and went home, because they were in the sweep of the blades)
Front view
The specific act of placing stickers in car windows is not in itself illegal. However, it is
an offence, under regulation 30 of The Road Vehicles (Construction & Use)
Regulations 1986 (SI 1986 No. 1078), to drive a vehicle in which the glass is
maintained in such a condition that the vision of the driver is impaired.
If it’s gross misconduct to cover them up then how would they know they’re covered if they don’t look at the footage regularly?
I used to occasionally drive for a place that had them, I was also told they’re there to protect the driver, which they may well be able to in a small percentage of incidents, but I would have thought the main purpose was to check on driver behaviour during an incident, and if not driving perfectly with both hands on the wheel etc then you’re to blame.
They also said the footage may also be used for training purposes!
Those companies who still assume and treat their staff with a bit of respect and mutual trust might well find themselves in the enviable position of having the better 10% of drivers on their books if the race to the bottom merchants gradually get round to all fitting this, the last straw for many, spying device.
Its worrying just how many have fallen for the company’s, nay state’s, propaganda of the last 30 or more years, the statutory govt apparatchick’s line of ‘if you don’t do wrong you have nothing to fear’'.
This country gets more like Eastern Germany every day.
I often have a pint with an old guy who was very helpful to me when I was a green newbie, I had then (and still have ) a lot of respect for him and guys like him.
This guy is a Real driver, who has done it all and then some, he retired anout 8 yrs ago.
When I tell him about the crap we have to endure today, and stuff like the required skill level, and lack of ability with some of today’s drivers,…and especially the opinions and attitude of some, he just can not get his head around it.
I can not wait to see his reaction when I bring up this subject. he even called me a stupid ■■■■ for accepting the ‘events camera’ even though I told him it was covered up facing me.
It doesn’t affect me at all, and I don’t really agree with the idea, but I remember comments like those on here when tachographs were being fitted into trucks in the UK, though it was several years before we actually had to use them. They were the ‘spy in the cab’ and the bosses would know when the driver was parked up when he should have been driving etc and the days of the ‘dodgy’ would be over. I know some drivers who even left the industry because they would be unable to do the work they were previously doing owing to the time restriction on a visible chart. However we all got used to them and accepted them, maybe Maritime drivers will forget the cameras are even there after several weeks of having them? Don’t bus drivers have cameras following their every move, they don’t appear to worry them too much?
… I agree.
and the type of crap such as the subject of this post is an example of why attitudes should change.
he even called me a stupid ■■■■ for accepting the ‘events camera’ even though I told him it was covered up facing me.
I know some drivers who even left the industry because they would be unable to do the work they were previously doing owing to the time restriction on a visible chart. However we all got used to them and accepted them, maybe Maritime drivers will forget the cameras are even there after several weeks of having them? Don’t bus drivers have cameras following their every move, they don’t appear to worry them too much?