G8YMW:
Rail operators big business■■?
I dont think so especially when its all controlled by the Treasury and their proxy DfT.
You forgot that the railways were undercut by the road transport industry (Together with millitant rail union bosses, p poor management and a Minister of Transport who was a director in the road construction industry … Earnest Marples)
So you’re saying that the government isn’t controlled by the interests of big business.I think with the exception of a short period under nationalisation the rail transport industry has always been about a few large companies as opposed the small business road transport industry.
The rail trasnsport industry was undercut by the road transport industry because road transport is simply a more cost efficient way of moving freight around.If anything the road trasnsport industry has been held back by artificial anti competitive controls and road fuel taxation in favour of rail.Which no surprise is still ongoing.
There is only one real answer to the problem and that is to get cars off the road. There are too many, simple as that. Why? because this country is seriously over populated!
So you’re saying that the government isn’t controlled by the interests of big business.I think with the exception of a short period under nationalisation the rail transport industry has always been about a few large companies as opposed the small business road transport industry.
The rail trasnsport industry was undercut by the road transport industry because road transport is simply a more cost efficient way of moving freight around.If anything the road trasnsport industry has been held back by artificial anti competitive controls and road fuel taxation in favour of rail.Which no surprise is still ongoing.
I am saying the Government isn’t controlled by big business but by the dictat of Brussels.
The Railways (Besides being micro-managed by Whitehall) is run by Foreign Government companies and bus companies
DB Shenker (German National Railways)
GB Railfreight owned by Eurotunnel (Part owned by the French National Railways)
DRS owned by BNFL aka The UK Government
Freightliner Was a management buyout, dont know who owns it now.
East Coast Mainline owned by the UK Government
Merseyrail Part owned by NS the Dutch National Railway
You might be right to an extent about road transport but remember that rail is STILL goverened by laws that were put in place when having a railway was a license to print money.
Like all bridges whether going over or under roads are the responsibility of the railways (Network Rail)
Actually the roads had an advantage over rail just after both World Wars with the Government selling off war surplus lorries dirt cheap.
Fuel prices had nothing to do with subbing the railways, it was to placate the tree huggers. Labour instigated the “Fuel Price Escalator” and went along with the theory that more roads begat more traffic. also forced councils to try and price cars out of reach of Joe Public.
British Rail (and to a lesser extent since privatisation) tried to regulate passenger numbers by fare rises rather than invest
mr lordi:
I had very near miss on the m42 at the nec turn off, I was following another lgv when he violently swerved out of the hard shoulder lane when a car in front had stopped.It was just pure Look that there was a gap big enough to accommodate me at last minute. I swear I was two feet off rear ending it. I was nt to close to the lgv in front either. I have and never will enter a hard shoulder open lane again. They are just too dangerous.
Had this once, the idiot broken down wasn’t even using hazards, which seem’s increasing popular to the cabbage brain brigade
m1cks:
It was only a matter of time before it happened, a
Fyffes container truck has rear ended what look like a broken down
sprinter van on the hard shoulder of the M1 by Luton.
Not for the first time either :
"A MINIBUS was involved in a multi-vehicle collision on the hard
shoulder of the M1 near J13 which was being used as an extra lane.
The collision occurred on the evening of Saturday 06 July and
left 26 people injured, four seriously.
A spokeswoman for the Highways Agency said: “The incident
occurred on a section of the M1 that is operated as a Managed
Motorway. This means that the hard shoulder can be used as a
live running lane during peak demand.
The minibus was carrying 16 passengers and collided with the rear
of a Golf at around 5.32pm, which in turn hit an Astra. This caused
the Astra to then strike a Mercedes that was stationary in lane one
on the motorway.
Serious injuries were sustained by two and four year-old siblings who
were in the rear of the Golf and they had to be airlifted to hospital.
The front seat passengers in the Golf and Astra also sustained serious
injuries and were taken to hospital by ambulance crews."
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m1cks:
It was only a matter of time before it happened, a
Fyffes container truck has rear ended what look like a broken down
sprinter van on the hard shoulder of the M1 by Luton.
Not for the first time either :
"A MINIBUS was involved in a multi-vehicle collision on the hard
shoulder of the M1 near J13 which was being used as an extra lane.
The collision occurred on the evening of Saturday 06 July and
left 26 people injured, four seriously.
A spokeswoman for the Highways Agency said: “The incident
occurred on a section of the M1 that is operated as a Managed
Motorway. This means that the hard shoulder can be used as a
live running lane during peak demand.
The minibus was carrying 16 passengers and collided with the rear
of a Golf at around 5.32pm, which in turn hit an Astra. This caused
the Astra to then strike a Mercedes that was stationary in lane one
on the motorway.
Serious injuries were sustained by two and four year-old siblings who
were in the rear of the Golf and they had to be airlifted to hospital.
The front seat passengers in the Golf and Astra also sustained serious
injuries and were taken to hospital by ambulance crews."
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It seems obvious that those who are in charge of the country’s road layout and management policies should be charged with criminal negligence in many cases.
commonrail:
here`s a prime example of why it doesn’t work…
youre going north on the 42,and just as you come around the corner at the m40 split...the first overhead gantry WILL say "congestion use hard shoulder". so...no need to change lanes then. but wait a minute...the next overhead gantry says hard shoulder for junction ? only. no problem...Ill move over now,only you cant coz its bumper to bumper.
so you stop and wait for someone to let you in…whilst everyone behind you gets annoyed.
nobody is going anywhere…its a load of ■■■■■■■■,dreamt up by people who simply dont have the on road experience to run our roads system.
I use my own judgement to be honest. If the hard shoulder is open but the trafic in 1 2 and 3 are running free then I won’t go in the hard shoulder. I judge there to be no congestion and therefore the hard shoulder shouldn’t be used. I will only use the hard shoulder when it’s stop start or very low speed.
Carryfast:
It seems obvious that those who are in charge of the country’s road layout and management policies should be charged with criminal negligence in many cases.
More so than the drivers who run into the back of a stationery object on a clear straight road
Carryfast:
It seems obvious that those who are in charge of the country’s road layout and management policies should be charged with criminal negligence in many cases.
More so than the drivers who run into the back of a stationery object on a clear straight road
Very curious stretch of road this! I came north mid afternoon today and as I passed the airport the matrix signs were displaying 50 and saying the h/s was open for business, mid way between the two Luton junctions was a foreign artic stationary with a front wheel blowout, no prior warning signs but luckily the traffic was that heavy that there were no problems.
I then pass Luton in extremely heavy traffic and the h/s was closed all the way to J13. It was busier than I’ve seen it for ages and they shut the bloody h/s! No rhyme nor reason.
Carryfast:
It seems obvious that those who are in charge of the country’s road layout and management policies should be charged with criminal negligence in many cases.
More so than the drivers who run into the back of a stationery object on a clear straight road
Going by that logic we might as well turn all hard shoulders into permanent running lanes and get rid of exit and entry slip roads.
Carryfast:
It seems obvious that those who are in charge of the country’s road layout and management policies should be charged with criminal negligence in many cases.
More so than the drivers who run into the back of a stationery object on a clear straight road
Going by that logic we might as well turn all hard shoulders into permanent running lanes and get rid of exit and entry slip roads.
How far behind the times are you, Most hard shoulders are going to be turned into permanent running lanes, The only difference is, It will be a 4 lane dual carriageway with signals than a 2 lane dual carriageway without signals.
Your not far wrong about getting rid of slip roads though the SRN (strategic road network) is supposed to be for long distance traffic, not junction hopping ■■■■■■■ on a commute across town. Maybe tolling the lot (keep your eyes peeled ) would keep much of the unnecessary local traffic off the road .
Option 1 Toll all users (most likely)
Option 2 Only toll all vehicles registered as PLG. (Unlikely)
Option 3 Toll vehicles that travel less than 30/random miles between junctions the technology is out there now to do it.
will be munching THEIR grass! 
why do ■■■■■■■■■ own cars? 
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