I’m a VERY Newbie on only my second shift, (picking up ad hoc shifts from agencies)
Had ABSOLUTELY no training or instruction on tacho’s. Only requireD to know where to put the card for my test (three weeks ago).
Anyway tried doing a manual entry to add 30mins “Other Work” to the beginning. Although I didn’t realise it at the time, I’ve set “OTHER WORK” rather than “REST” since my last shift a week ago!
20mins into my drive (Warrington - Bristol) it told me I had 10mins of driving time left, so took a 45 to correct that issue.
1h:30m into my drive south I said I’d exceeded my daily driving allowance! Clearly thinking I’m still on last week’s shift.
I’ve carried on to Bristol & back otherwise observing tacho rules.
Will the transport manager be able correct the problem or am I heading to the Traffic Commissioner!
WideWolf:
I’m a VERY Newbie on only my second shift, (picking up ad hoc shifts from agencies)
Had ABSOLUTELY no training or instruction on tacho’s. Only requireD to know where to put the card for my test (three weeks ago).
Anyway tried doing a manual entry to add 30mins “Other Work” to the beginning. Although I didn’t realise it at the time, I’ve set “OTHER WORK” rather than “REST” since my last shift a week ago!
20mins into my drive (Warrington - Bristol) it told me I had 10mins of driving time left, so took a 45 to correct that issue.
1h:30m into my drive south I said I’d exceeded my daily driving allowance! Clearly thinking I’m still on last week’s shift.
I’ve carried on to Bristol & back otherwise observing tacho rules.
Will the transport manager be able correct the problem or am I heading to the Traffic Commissioner!
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It’s a simple mistake to make, it happens, you will be given infringement/s to sign. Sign it writing manual entry mode error and carry on with your life. No you won’t go to the TC for a mistake on a manual entry. They will know exactly what you have done, it is obvious it is a genuine mistake.
What Simcor said. Even if DVSA stopped you they wouldn’t view it as an infringement or take any action. Maybe a bit late but a couple of print-outs with your sob story written on the back would be useful.
I’d be leaving the country and setting up a false identity for yourself if I was you mate,.it’s an ■■■■ (or is it heinous? ) crime.
May God have mercy on your soul and good luck.
Nah…Don’t bother your arse bud, just do as said previously and move on with life.
Don’t let ‘‘them’’ instil fear into you, I’ve spent my whole career/life in this job not giving a ■■■■.
It’s what they want you to believe to control you and keep you on your toes,.trust me, and don’t allow em…sh happens.
Has a certificate of competence to stop this from happening.
Maybe he didn’t do the tachograph module?
Anyway, it’s not an issue. DVSA and the Traffic Commissioner seek out habitual offenders who kick the arse out of the rules, not some poor sap fresh out of training school who has messed up a manual entry.
WideWolf:
Will the transport manager be able correct the problem or am I heading to the Traffic Commissioner!
As my understanding goes, the analysis software can be updated when a mistake is made with a manual entry (as in your case). However, note that the data on the actual card will remain the same.
When a mistake is made with an incorrect mode selected (with the card in), this is not something that can be updated.
I don’t believe a mistake with a manual entry should be an infringement if you tell the office and they take the 30 seconds it takes to correct it.
A DVSA officer at the roadside would know exactly what you did, however the official line is that you should have a printout with an explanation and you need to retain it with you for 28 days.
Has a certificate of competence to stop this from happening.
Maybe he didn’t do the tachograph module?
Anyway, it’s not an issue. DVSA and the Traffic Commissioner seek out habitual offenders who kick the arse out of the rules, not some poor sap fresh out of training school who has messed up a manual entry.
I was only done for 1 time of mins without a card in , never been done before so I’m not convinced it’s only the ones who do it regularly who will get done .
Nb I know from speaking to the compliance officer they dvsa we’re not convinced it was a one off & did regular checks over 18 months but never found anything , but it still went to court
At the end of the day it’s all about ££££££ , and I doubt the dvsa solicitor cares whether it’s 1 offence / 10 , he’s more interested in his £400 fee for a few mins in court x 2/3/10 drivers
WideWolf:
I’m a VERY Newbie on only my second shift, (picking up ad hoc shifts from agencies)
Had ABSOLUTELY no training or instruction on tacho’s. Only requireD to know where to put the card for my test (three weeks ago).
Anyway tried doing a manual entry to add 30mins “Other Work” to the beginning. Although I didn’t realise it at the time, I’ve set “OTHER WORK” rather than “REST” since my last shift a week ago!
20mins into my drive (Warrington - Bristol) it told me I had 10mins of driving time left, so took a 45 to correct that issue.
1h:30m into my drive south I said I’d exceeded my daily driving allowance! Clearly thinking I’m still on last week’s shift.
I’ve carried on to Bristol & back otherwise observing tacho rules.
Will the transport manager be able correct the problem or am I heading to the Traffic Commissioner!
Sent from my SM-S918B using Tapatalk
I went to court for a few mins driving without a card in , dvsa solicitor , 3 judges & the clerk of the court going on about custodial sentences , found guilty, fined , told by dvsa solicitor , managers , compliance officers I’d have to go before t/c & my lisense would be suspended for 1 month ( 1 offence = 1 months suspension )
In the event I never went befor the t/c , and just received a letter stating I was receiving a caution for my actions & don’t do it again
I know on here everyone states if it’s a tachom related offence it’s tea & biscuits with the t/c but it certainly was not in my case , I found the t/c the most sensible out the lot of them , I wish they’d of been judging case them I might not of ended up with a £776 fine !!!
You cant always rely on the tacho warning lights.If you split your 45 minute break into a 15 then 30 but you have poa of 30 minutes after the 15,the tacho interprets this as a full 45 and resets the counter.Then,after you take your 30 minute break,then drive 2 hours,the tacho will start flashing telling you to have a break when you dont need to
Sploom:
You cant always rely on the tacho warning lights.If you split your 45 minute break into a 15 then 30 but you have POAof 30 minutes after the 15,the tacho interprets this as a full 45 and resets the counter.Then,after you take your 30 minute break,then drive 2 hours,the tacho will start flashing telling you to have a break when you dont need to
One of the 4 or 5 reasons I NEVER use poa, and NEVER have.
First reason is it’s a cop out putting the onus on us ,
Rather than the powers that be go out and take on the likes of Tesco to stop delaying us at their leisure.and generally ■■■■ ing us about on their sites …the only reason for this crap imo.
Second one,.dress it up as you like and give it a name, but it’s just ‘other work’.pure and simple !!
So I refuse to play their stupid games.
Third one is the reason that my mate Sploomy points out.
But the main one because I’m an arrogant arse who refuses to suffer fools who make unnecessary rules.and disguise them with utter bull sh.
@ The o/p…
Just to clarify my claim to you of not worrying about tacho offences and not giving a ■■■■ about the job anymore…
Running alongside all that… I do keep my card legal, 100% of the time so as not to give the ■■■■ s any excuse to do me,.so.I ain’t saying I have a cavalier attitude towards the rules by any means
We all ■■■■ up from time to time and make mistakes, but I never any of the few infringements I inadvertently get from time to time, bother me in the least, and I do all the right stuff procedure b/s afterwards …purely to cover my arse, …just saying.
(Did not want to set a bad example to a new driver.
I’m still.an arrogant arse towards the job though. )
As others have said the DVSA are out to catch persistent offenders. They know when something is a mistake and something is intentional. Simply never try to hide anything and explain the best you can on printouts. Despite what many say I do think DVSA are very good at what they do
WideWolf:
I’m a VERY Newbie on only my second shift, (picking up ad hoc shifts from agencies)
Had ABSOLUTELY no training or instruction on tacho’s. Only requireD to know where to put the card for my test (three weeks ago).
Anyway tried doing a manual entry to add 30mins “Other Work” to the beginning. Although I didn’t realise it at the time, I’ve set “OTHER WORK” rather than “REST” since my last shift a week ago!
20mins into my drive (Warrington - Bristol) it told me I had 10mins of driving time left, so took a 45 to correct that issue.
1h:30m into my drive south I said I’d exceeded my daily driving allowance! Clearly thinking I’m still on last week’s shift.
I’ve carried on to Bristol & back otherwise observing tacho rules.
Will the transport manager be able correct the problem or am I heading to the Traffic Commissioner!
Sent from my SM-S918B using Tapatalk
I went to court for a few mins driving without a card in , dvsa solicitor , 3 judges & the clerk of the court going on about custodial sentences , found guilty, fined , told by dvsa solicitor , managers , compliance officers I’d have to go before t/c & my lisense would be suspended for 1 month ( 1 offence = 1 months suspension )
In the event I never went befor the t/c , and just received a letter stating I was receiving a caution for my actions & don’t do it again
I know on here everyone states if it’s a tachom related offence it’s tea & biscuits with the t/c but it certainly was not in my case , I found the t/c the most sensible out the lot of them , I wish they’d of been judging case them I might not of ended up with a £776 fine !!!
The thing is dopey driving without a card is falsification of records & so it’s a serious offence, making a mistake doing a manual entry is not as long as you do a print out & make company aware so they can give you an infringement or 3 to sign.
Has a certificate of competence to stop this from happening.
Maybe he didn’t do the tachograph module?
Anyway, it’s not an issue. DVSA and the Traffic Commissioner seek out habitual offenders who kick the arse out of the rules, not some poor sap fresh out of training school who has messed up a manual entry.
I was only done for 1 time of mins without a card in , never been done before so I’m not convinced it’s only the ones who do it regularly who will get done .
Nb I know from speaking to the compliance officer they dvsa we’re not convinced it was a one off & did regular checks over 18 months but never found anything , but it still went to court
At the end of the day it’s all about ££££££ , and I doubt the dvsa solicitor cares whether it’s 1 offence / 10 , he’s more interested in his £400 fee for a few mins in court x 2/3/10 drivers
Tbf doze wtf possessed you to remove your card,…at what point did you think it was the best option.
It’s blatant falsification of records mate, one off or not.
Basically you are saying you were tucked up in your bunk, but in reality you were still working/driving and not recording it, ie an act of fraud that they take a very dim view of …so you left them zero choice to make an example of you.
Lads have done time ffs for similar offences,.and if you had had a ■■■■ up situation hitting some car or whatever,you sure as hell would be also mate I reckon,.so maybe a lucky escape eh?
Banged to rights I reckon mate, if you had driven over your time with an explanation, it would have been a non event…but I reckon you realise that one now.
switchlogic:
As others have said the DVSA are out to catch persistent offenders. They know when something is a mistake and something is intentional. Simply never try to hide anything and explain the best you can on printouts. Despite what many say I do think DVSA are very good at what they do
Absolutely. Never pull you card early when 15mins from the yard or something like that to get home. Just leave it in and go over if needed if it’s once a year kinder stuff. You pull it they will figure it out and then it’s a whole different matter due to fraud. Don’t be afraid of dvsa, any roadside check with a few minutes here and there and one manual entry mistake over the last 3 months for example is not a problem.
Yup, as I point out on my Driver CPC courses by pulling card you’re swapping a relatively minor offence for one of the worst of them all, and while the odd over hours due to exceptional circumstances or human error won’t cause an issue driving without a card potentially brings a lot of heat onto your employer.
Has a certificate of competence to stop this from happening.
Maybe he didn’t do the tachograph module?
Anyway, it’s not an issue. DVSA and the Traffic Commissioner seek out habitual offenders who kick the arse out of the rules, not some poor sap fresh out of training school who has messed up a manual entry.
I was only done for 1 time of mins without a card in , never been done before so I’m not convinced it’s only the ones who do it regularly who will get done .
Nb I know from speaking to the compliance officer they dvsa we’re not convinced it was a one off & did regular checks over 18 months but never found anything , but it still went to court
At the end of the day it’s all about ££££££ , and I doubt the dvsa solicitor cares whether it’s 1 offence / 10 , he’s more interested in his £400 fee for a few mins in court x 2/3/10 drivers
Tbf doze wtf possessed you to remove your card,…at what point did you think it was the best option.
It’s blatant falsification of records mate, one off or not.
Basically you are saying you were tucked up in your bunk, but in reality you were still working/driving and not recording it, ie an act of fraud that they take a very dim view of …so you left them zero choice to make an example of you.
Lads have done time ffs for similar offences,.and if you had had a ■■■■ up situation hitting some car or whatever,you sure as hell would be also mate I reckon,.so maybe a lucky escape eh?
Banged to rights I reckon mate, if you had driven over your time with an explanation, it would have been a non event…but I reckon you realise that one now.
How come you didn’t give The Maoster the third degree when he admitted (yesterday) driving without a card (years ago)?
robroy:
Tbf doze wtf possessed you to remove your card,…at what point did you think it was the best option.
It’s blatant falsification of records mate, one off or not.
Basically you are saying you were tucked up in your bunk, but in reality you were still working/driving and not recording it, ie an act of fraud that they take a very dim view of …so you left them zero choice to make an example of you.
Lads have done time ffs for similar offences,.and if you had had a ■■■■ up situation hitting some car or whatever,you sure as hell would be also mate I reckon,.so maybe a lucky escape eh?
Banged to rights I reckon mate, if you had driven over your time with an explanation, it would have been a non event…but I reckon you realise that one now.
How come you didn’t give The Maoster the third degree when he admitted (yesterday) driving without a card (years ago)?
Scared of him? [emoji1787]
Terrified of him man !..
He’s Trucknets answer to Jason Hayes ffs.
) crime.
Nah…Don’t bother your arse bud, just do as said previously and move on with life. 
