Don’t get me started on the electrickery bolllox Luke . So far we have , roll stability ,smart cruise , dash cams ,all N American speed limits pre programmed into the GPS , plus the on board telemetry rubbish .We’re still allowed a manual box and a steering wheel at our depot (autos in Edmonton and Calgary) but I feel the days of freedom are numbered , they’re even doing away with paper log books FFS 
switchlogic:
I see some have questioned what will happen in future as our roads get ever more congested, I’ll tell you what will happen, technology. Just like gear changing has been taken out of most of our hands so will some of the braking. Trucks already have this technology, it will become standard in time. Like it or not it’ll react faster than any human can and save a lot of accidents of this sort happening.
I Agree, however 1 technology I do not believe should be installed in a truck, is Cruise Control. its the “devils brew” in my opinion.
Great for the out- back, yes. N America. yes. UK Nah. receipe for disaster. 
coventrytelegraph.net/news/c … m.facebook
999 lifesavers fury at muppet drivers on the M6.
The M6 has fully reopened after being closed for almost 18 hours following a crash involving two cars and two lorries near Coventry.
The motorway was closed at 07:45 BST on Tuesday following the accident southbound between junctions 2 and 3.
The northbound carriageway was reopened a short time later but the southbound section remained shut until 02:00 BST.
One lorry driver was taken to hospital with fractures to his wrist and pelvis, the other was unhurt. police said.
Officers said one lorry had overturned and gone down an embankment.
The two women who were in the two cars were treated for minor injuries at the scene.
The Highways Agency said emergency repairs to the road had taken place following the “serious” accident which had left diesel and oil on the carriageway.
Carryfast:
newmercman:
I don’t really get all this hatred towards albion, the haters say he’s a broken record, but has it not occurred to any of you that he mostly posts his views on threads that are about a lorry smashing in to the back of another lorry.There is only one reason that a lorry hits another one from behind and that is because a safe distance was not being maintained
As in all cases anyone has the right not to agree with what Albion says but he should have the right to say what he thinks and the usual rules then apply attack the post not the poster if you don’t agree.In the case of his crusade regarding seperation distances he’s got it 100 % spot on just as I’ve often made plenty of observations regarding same.The problem is many of his other posts seem to contain over the top unwarranted criticisms regarding driving standards where the benefit of doubt should apply concerning other more complicated issues which damages the credibility of his arguments in general.Which is unfortunate considering that the importance of the seperation distance issue can’t be overstated.
Carryfast do you ever read your posts after you have written them.I think you should.From the bits I understand I would say I do not attack other posters unless they attack me.(fact)
I reckon your comment about me making unwarranted criticisms is to do with cyclists.I do not like cyclists being on the road anymore than you however I realise both cyclists and lorry drivers make mistakes but you blame the cyclists no matter what.Everyone of them is an idiot to you.They are all suicidal maniacs to you.
Your biased beyond belief when it comes to cyclists and it seems very unhealthy to me.
switchlogic:
I see some have questioned what will happen in future as our roads get ever more congested, I’ll tell you what will happen, technology. Just like gear changing has been taken out of most of our hands so will some of the braking. Trucks already have this technology, it will become standard in time. Like it or not it’ll react faster than any human can and save a lot of accidents of this sort happening.
It is already happening. How far it will go ? Do we really need all those devices just because we switch off our thinking/ alertness (thanks to those devices too) ?
If it saves lives then yes, we do need it. Drivers will never learn, every day I seen truck drivers tailgating at ever more ridiculous distances. No word of a lie last week through the road works in Birmingham I was over taken by two trucks, the second was LESS than the length of my cab from the one in front! How the hell does anyone think that’s a good idea! I hate to say it as I love driving but humans are the weak link in the logistics chain and they will be designed out of the equation ever more over time. I dont agree with the creep of automation by the way, this is just what I see happening because people can be trusted to look after themselves and others
EDIT- Missed out an important fact about the tailgating trucks!
there is 1 simple solution to all these accidents. ban all the cars, trucks and vans and send everything by rail that way there will be no more accidents on the roads
scotstrucker:
there is 1 simple solution to all these accidents. ban all the cars, trucks and vans and send everything by rail that way there will be no more accidents on the roads
You can be sure some Muppet will still RUN 
a red light
nick2008:
scotstrucker:
there is 1 simple solution to all these accidents. ban all the cars, trucks and vans and send everything by rail that way there will be no more accidents on the roadsYou can be sure some Muppet will still RUN
very true very true
MisterStrood:
switchlogic:
I see some have questioned what will happen in future as our roads get ever more congested, I’ll tell you what will happen, technology. Just like gear changing has been taken out of most of our hands so will some of the braking. Trucks already have this technology, it will become standard in time. Like it or not it’ll react faster than any human can and save a lot of accidents of this sort happening.It is already happening. How far it will go ? Do we really need all those devices just because we switch off our thinking/ alertness (thanks to those devices too) ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY
Yes, we do, if it saves one life.
That emergency braking should be a legal requirement on all new trucks rather than the piffling difference between euro 5 & euro 6 that some ■■■■ in Brussels didn’t realise would cost 10 grand more per wagon. I wouldn’t fancy working in a truck factory at the moment!
nick2008:
Silver_Surfer:
Silver_Surfer:
nick2008:
MisterStrood:
Silver_Surfer:
The roads are just too congested nowadays, god know’s what it’ll be like in ten years time? Is there a plan to build more proper roads to offer an alternative to the main trunk routes when they are busy or closed? I doubt it.It is not roads that we need it is better education for drivers. Out of my observation 75% of traffic could be avoided but… driving standards are VERY poor.
Adding extra lanes on M25 did not help yet. Again our money have been wasted.that’s A BIG +1
YOU TALK SOME TWADDEL S_Sthat should make no difference. 1 vehicle 100,000 vehicles it’s down to how people drive.
Are you talking to me?
Yes, I think you are. Firstly, thanks for the insult, no need for that really, you’ve let yourself down & probably aren’t worthy of debating with me but hey ho:
I appreciate making people drive better would reduce accidents but unfortunately we are not robots so this will never happen & even if it did the ones who cause the accidents cannot be educated because they are thick.
More congestion equals a higher chance of accidents as people drive closer together, this is simple physics. More roads equals less congestion. How much of our road tax gets spent on roads? There’s some BS about more roads equals more cars on them but this has got to be rubbish, people want to drive on them? They pay? Build more.
If a major trunk road is closed due to an accident, there should & could be a viable alternative, even if you have to pay, the cost to the economy is chronic.
I appreciate the m6 toll hasn’t been a success but it’s been a success for me as I use it if there’s an accident/congestion on the m6, cash money, they’re bloody welcome to it.
Fella it was no way intended to be an insult but congestion don’t cause incidents its the person behind the wheel .
I agree about the nanny state we have that will shut a route for hours on end which could be handled better.
Re the major TR being closed with a viable alternative that’s not ever gonna happen due to the road network and if there happens to be a closure on that road what next ■■ another viable route which then has a dominos effect.
Driving standards have fallen to a damaging state.
Penalty’s for poor / bad driving don’t deter people from doing the same thing over and over again.
Make joe public have a medical to drive and they would have a head fit
Make joe public have to do advanced training they would be up in arms
and to delay them by doing 40 F kin hell they’d hang you (as would some so called Professional drivers that have to get to their delivery come hell or high water )
Its the Any vehicle drivers that cause the problems not congestion
We’ll agree to disagree on this one Nick, see how I called you Nick rather than fella which could come across as condescending to someone who isn’t as laid back as me, my name is Pat.
You’re right, congestion doesn’t cause accidents but accidents occur more often if a road is congested, not so?
People don’t deliberately set out to cause accidents so education isn’t really a full answer. Every little helps though so advanced DCPC for car drivers to halve their insurance premiums, let’s you & me set it up!
There’s a difference between someone being a ■■■■ which causes most accidents & someone who should know better. Your education would not help the prior.
I appreciate a rampant cloning of the m6, m1 & m25 isn’t going to happen but it would be chuffing great if it did & would reduce congestion which by proxy would reduce the number of accidents as well. It should of happened x number of years ago but hindsight is a powerful weapon. Some bell end shuts one with his/her douche baggery? Jump on the other even if it means paying more & vice versa, be pretty unlucky to have both closed at the same time but I’d chalk that up.
We could even have one motorway for cars & one for trucks, imagine that uber luxury!
albion1971:
I appreciate making people drive better would reduce accidents but unfortunately we are not robots so this will never happen & even if it did the ones who cause the accidents cannot be educated because they are thick.
More congestion equals a higher chance of accidents as people drive closer together, this is simple physics.Sorry do not agree with either of your statements.
I have taught many thick people to drive and yes they can be educated and learn to drive safely.What is more difficult to change with a thick person(your words not mine) is their attitude.
More congestion means people drive closer together…simple physics…NEVER.
Physics has absolutely nothing to do with how close vehicles are together.That is all down to the moronic drivers that do not know how to keep a safe distance.
Ok Albion, not physics but the law of probability of an accident happening
If vehicles are closer together is higher, yes? Not physics, just basic ■■■■.
When I said thick, I didn’t really mean dumb I just meant people who don’t give a ■■■■ & are merchant bankers.
Silver_Surfer:
We could even have one motorway for cars & one for trucks, imagine that uber luxury!
We already do. They’re called overtaking bans, and appear on the A1M and A14 to name a few roads
Silver_Surfer:
albion1971:
I appreciate making people drive better would reduce accidents but unfortunately we are not robots so this will never happen & even if it did the ones who cause the accidents cannot be educated because they are thick.
More congestion equals a higher chance of accidents as people drive closer together, this is simple physics.Sorry do not agree with either of your statements.
I have taught many thick people to drive and yes they can be educated and learn to drive safely.What is more difficult to change with a thick person(your words not mine) is their attitude.
More congestion means people drive closer together…simple physics…NEVER.
Physics has absolutely nothing to do with how close vehicles are together.That is all down to the moronic drivers that do not know how to keep a safe distance.Ok Albion, not physics but the law of probability of an accident happening
If vehicles are closer together is higher, yes? Not physics, just basic [zb].When I said thick, I didn’t really mean dumb I just meant people who don’t give a ■■■■ & are merchant bankers.
The idea of saying that it’s caused by ‘physics’ and then saying that it’s caused by thick drivers is a contradiction.It can only be one or the other not both.The fact is seperation distances are based on speed.In which case there’s no problem with small speration distances in the case of so called ‘congestion’ resulting in queues of very slow moving traffic of 5-10 mph for example.‘But’ that all changes in the case of those same heavy traffic situations as speed increases.To the point where it’s possible to be running in heavy traffic at 50 mph +.In which case just because there’s lots of traffic doesn’t mean that the required seperation distances for the speed in question can be reduced.In such cases lack of seperation distance has nothing whatsoever to do with ‘physics’ it’s all about the drivers’ judgement and basic driving standards.
While the so called thick people might not be so thick if the law took the emphasis off of speed and put it on better driving standards instead.In which case it would be simple enough to use cameras to detect tailgating offences with an automatic charge of dangerous driving and penalties to match.Instead of trying to compensate for bad driving by putting all the emphasis on speed which doesn’t work.Then we’d see a big difference concerning just how thick those thick drivers really are.While also removing the ones who really haven’t got the judgement required to drive a truck safely because they think that driving at 50 mph + with 5-10 mph worth of seperation distance is all about physics not just stupid dangerous driving.
JLS Driver SOS:
its the “devils brew” in my opinion.
Great for the out- back, yes. N America. yes. UK Nah. receipe for disaster.
How is it…?
Silver_Surfer:
nick2008:
Silver_Surfer:
Silver_Surfer:
nick2008:
MisterStrood:
Silver_Surfer:
The roads are just too congested nowadays, god know’s what it’ll be like in ten years time? Is there a plan to build more proper roads to offer an alternative to the main trunk routes when they are busy or closed? I doubt it.It is not roads that we need it is better education for drivers. Out of my observation 75% of traffic could be avoided but… driving standards are VERY poor.
Adding extra lanes on M25 did not help yet. Again our money have been wasted.that’s A BIG +1
YOU TALK SOME TWADDEL S_SAre you talking to me?
Yes, I think you are. Firstly, thanks for the insult, no need for that really, you’ve let yourself down & probably aren’t worthy of debating with me but hey ho:
I appreciate making people drive better would reduce accidents but unfortunately we are not robots so this will never happen & even if it did the ones who cause the accidents cannot be educated because they are thick.
More congestion equals a higher chance of accidents as people drive closer together, this is simple physics. More roads equals less congestion. How much of our road tax gets spent on roads? There’s some BS about more roads equals more cars on them but this has got to be rubbish, people want to drive on them? They pay? Build more.
If a major trunk road is closed due to an accident, there should & could be a viable alternative, even if you have to pay, the cost to the economy is chronic.
I appreciate the m6 toll hasn’t been a success but it’s been a success for me as I use it if there’s an accident/congestion on the m6, cash money, they’re bloody welcome to it.
Fella it was no way intended to be an insult but congestion don’t cause incidents its the person behind the wheel .
I agree about the nanny state we have that will shut a route for hours on end which could be handled better.
Re the major TR being closed with a viable alternative that’s not ever gonna happen due to the road network and if there happens to be a closure on that road what next ■■ another viable route which then has a dominos effect.
Driving standards have fallen to a damaging state.
Penalty’s for poor / bad driving don’t deter people from doing the same thing over and over again.
Make joe public have a medical to drive and they would have a head fit
Make joe public have to do advanced training they would be up in arms
and to delay them by doing 40 F kin hell they’d hang you (as would some so called Professional drivers that have to get to their delivery come hell or high water )
Its the Any vehicle drivers that cause the problems not congestionWe’ll agree to disagree on this one Nick, see how I called you Nick rather than fella which could come across as condescending to someone who isn’t as laid back as me, my name is Pat.
You’re right, congestion doesn’t cause accidents but accidents occur more often if a road is congested, not so?
People don’t deliberately set out to cause accidents so education isn’t really a full answer. Every little helps though so advanced DCPC for car drivers to halve their insurance premiums, let’s you & me set it up!
There’s a difference between someone being a ■■■■ which causes most accidents & someone who should know better. Your education would not help the prior.
I appreciate a rampant cloning of the m6, m1 & m25 isn’t going to happen but it would be chuffing great if it did & would reduce congestion which by proxy would reduce the number of accidents as well. It should of happened x number of years ago but hindsight is a powerful weapon. Some bell end shuts one with his/her douche baggery? Jump on the other even if it means paying more & vice versa, be pretty unlucky to have both closed at the same time but I’d chalk that up.
We could even have one motorway for cars & one for trucks, imagine that uber luxury!
In general it doesn’t matter how many roads there is it’s all about the speed of the traffic using them.Which is proved by the fact that adding lanes to a motorway and having more roads doesn’t allow traffic to run any faster which is why the congestion levels stay the same.As proved by the fact that even with the choice of duplicated routes like the M1,A1,M40,M11 or M3,A3 etc etc it makes no difference whatsoever to traffic running speeds and the resulting congestion levels on those roads.The clue is the speeds used by the rail industry which aren’t all about journey times but the fact that the rail system would grind to a congested halt if it was limited to road type speeds. 
None of which has anything to do with the essential requirement to maintain seperation distances is all relative to speed and has nothing whatsoever to do with traffic levels.
So one way to prevent rear end shunts of this nature is, when it’s congested, to adopt the 40mph (or lower) speed limit that the M25 has in places
It may not prevent the collisions, but it would, in some way, protect the idiots from themselves 
newmercman:
So one way to prevent rear end shunts of this nature is, when it’s congested, to adopt the 40mph (or lower) speed limit that the M25 has in placesIt may not prevent the collisions, but it would, in some way, protect the idiots from themselves
I sort of agree with you. Although the differing speed limits where put in place to keep a continuous traffic flow, albeit at a reduced rate, rather than a stop start scenario when traffic volume is clearly to heavy. The upshot of this is that of course accidents at a lower speed are generally less severe than accidents at full speed. “accidents will happen” is a fact. What anyone is going to do to reduce the severity of them is anyones guess, especially that some people are all for upping the motorway speed limit, and HGV drivers want to be able to do 50 mph on single carriageways? Can’t have it all ways, go faster, be safer, make accidents less severe? Of course you could halve the speed limit, increase employment, cut accident deaths by more than 60% but no ones really gonna go that far as it costs money !!
Being easily killed is a by product of using a motorway.
MisterStrood:
switchlogic:
I see some have questioned what will happen in future as our roads get ever more congested, I’ll tell you what will happen, technology. Just like gear changing has been taken out of most of our hands so will some of the braking. Trucks already have this technology, it will become standard in time. Like it or not it’ll react faster than any human can and save a lot of accidents of this sort happening.It is already happening. How far it will go ? Do we really need all those devices just because we switch off our thinking/ alertness (thanks to those devices too) ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY
That’s some powerful braking!!