Stanley Mitchell:
Something that has bugged me with these situations for a long is…why does the helicopter always have to land on the opposite carrigeway, surely they are best landing in front of the accident where the traffic has already stopped ■■?
Why cause even more problems closing the opposite carrigeway, and, if the patient is in a bad way, the last thing they need is being heaved over the armco ■■
From my experiences, the helicopter can be on the ground for sometime before the injured are freed.
I am not looking to critisise anybody, it just seems a strange way to go about a very difficult situation.
Not sure it’d be a great idea having a helicopter landing & taking off alongside traffic moving at high speed, traffic including high sided vehicles. Don’t they create somewhat a breeze? Not to mention the fact everyone would be staring at it.
Fair comment, although i did`nt mean the chopper land right on the job, even a 100 metres ahead of the accident, just a thought…although closing both ways does help with rubber neckers somewhat.
Stanley Mitchell:
Something that has bugged me with these situations for a long is…why does the helicopter always have to land on the opposite carrigeway, surely they are best landing in front of the accident where the traffic has already stopped ■■?
Why cause even more problems closing the opposite carrigeway, and, if the patient is in a bad way, the last thing they need is being heaved over the armco ■■
From my experiences, the helicopter can be on the ground for sometime before the injured are freed.
I am not looking to critisise anybody, it just seems a strange way to go about a very difficult situation.
Maybe to preserve evidence, those rotor blades will shift a lot of debris.
Again, fair comment, but if it landed say 100 metres in front, just a thought …
Also, I have watched the air ambulance land at my local hospital [in a private recovery room opposite the pad], and they land in allsorts of weather, quite brilliant to watch, superb skills shown by the pilots…
Stanley Mitchell:
Fair comment, although i did`nt mean the chopper land right on the job, even a 100 metres ahead of the accident, just a thought…although closing both ways does help with rubber neckers somewhat.
As was stated, both carriageways have to be closed while the jellywhopper is landing and taking off for the safety of all concerned. As the traffic won’t be moving again until after it leaves, they’ll normally use the opposite carriageway to land, so as to leave the one where the crash is free for fire/police/ambulance/wreckers etc to get in and out without having to negotiate a parked helicopter. While you can manhandle a stretcher over the barriers, doing the same with a Denis fire engine is not so simple…
MisterStrood:
It is not roads that we need it is better education for drivers. Out of my observation 75% of traffic could be avoided but… driving standards are VERY poor.
Adding extra lanes on M25 did not help yet. Again our money have been wasted.
The pictures on here are from West Midlands Ambulance service, and they are right about the traffic on the hard shoulder there were loads, lorries as well the whole lot of them should be booked absolutely disgusting
albion1971:
Will drivers never learn.Once again luck has prevented any fatalities or serious injuries.
Yes it can happen to you and WILL if you drive like a moron.
Oh dear.
helmik:
Dont make assumptions about what caused this. It was not queueing traffic for the M69, there is more to it. cant say anymore.
Perhaps, albion1971, instead of lecturing other posters in other threads to read your posts properly, you could set an example and bother to read this thread in its entirety before you jump in with your normal sanctimonious, self-important preaching?
You, I assume, weren’t there. So you don’t know what happened, despite what you seem to think.
I did read all the post.No I was not there and I do not know what happened but I see plenty truck drivers driving like morons everyday and I know if anything out of the ordinary happens they will not be able to stop and that is more than likely the case here.
I am just glad nobody was killed are seriously injured as I said.You got a problem with that or are you a tailgater perhaps?
albion1971:
I did read all the post.No I was not there and I do not know what happened but I see plenty truck drivers driving like morons everyday and I know if anything out of the ordinary happens they will not be able to stop and that is more than likely the case here.
I am just glad nobody was killed are seriously injured as I said.You got a problem with that or are you a tailgater perhaps?
You seemed to be insinuating (once again) that it was poor lorry driving to blame for this accident. It might have been but then again it could also be mechanical failure, driver taken ill, whatever. As ever you don’t consider any of the other possible reasons in your haste to decry truck drivers in general, as if you are some kind of superior being.
You’ll also need to explain how you come to the conclusion that I’m a ‘tailgater’ just because I don’t automatically assume the lorry driver(s) is/are to blame, as you do. Jumping to conclusions… again?
helmik:
Driver of the container has a broken pelvis, leg, wrist and other minor injuries. It took a long while to get him out. Other drivers have minor injuries at the worst.
Dont make assumptions about what caused this. It was not queueing traffic for the M69, there is more to it. cant say
anymore.
The helicopter doesnt land on the opposite carriageway but both carriageways need to be closed due to safety concerns. Helicopters are strange beasts so better to have lots of space to dump it onto if required. It also has a big fan on the roof which blows debris etc everywhere, again a safety thing.
The motorway is closed as there is a good chance or resurfacing being needed due to spilt oil and fuel.
Driver education will go a long way to stopping some of these incidents. The Police should be stopping drivers who tailgate as close as some seem to and show them what the outcome could be.
On a personal note, i am absolutely disgusted once again by the number of sick individuals who chose to drive past taking photos and videos, lorry drivers included. What on earth do you expect to do with the pics/footage, sit and home getting a hard on looking at dead or injured people?? Maybe you should come to scene and be part of it, might make you realise that injured, dead and suffering people from the incident deserve some dignity. Maybe of it was one of your family or friends you might think twice, although i doubt it. To anyone who i shouted at, gestured at or insulted today, you deserve it.
As the driver of the burns fridge I would be fascinated to here your take on what happened ?
Silver_Surfer: The roads are just too congested nowadays, god know’s what it’ll be like in ten years time? Is there a plan to build more proper roads to offer an alternative to the main trunk routes when they are busy or closed? I doubt it.
It is not roads that we need it is better education for drivers. Out of my observation 75% of traffic could be avoided but… driving standards are VERY poor.
Adding extra lanes on M25 did not help yet. Again our money have been wasted.
that’s A BIG +1
YOU TALK SOME TWADDEL S_S that should make no difference. 1 vehicle 100,000 vehicles it’s down to how people drive.
helmik:
Driver of the container has a broken pelvis, leg, wrist and other minor injuries. It took a long while to get him out. Other drivers have minor injuries at the worst.
Dont make assumptions about what caused this. It was not queueing traffic for the M69, there is more to it. cant say anymore.
The helicopter doesnt land on the opposite carriageway but both carriageways need to be closed due to safety concerns. Helicopters are strange beasts so better to have lots of space to dump it onto if required. It also has a big fan on the roof which blows debris etc everywhere, again a safety thing.
The motorway is closed as there is a good chance or resurfacing being needed due to spilt oil and fuel.
Driver education will go a long way to stopping some of these incidents. The Police should be stopping drivers who tailgate as close as some seem to and show them what the outcome could be.
On a personal note, i am absolutely disgusted once again by the number of sick individuals who chose to drive past taking photos and videos, lorry drivers included. What on earth do you expect to do with the pics/footage, sit and home getting a hard on looking at dead or injured people?? Maybe you should come to scene and be part of it, might make you realise that injured, dead and suffering people from the incident deserve some dignity. Maybe of it was one of your family or friends you might think twice, although i doubt it. To anyone who i shouted at, gestured at or insulted today, you deserve it.
Nice to hear from someone who knows what they’re talking about.
I also think it’s abhorrent taking photos of people in situ but I think it’s ok if there’s no people in the vehicles.
Shame they don’t put those privacy barriers up straight away, they should bring them in soonest.
Silver_Surfer: The roads are just too congested nowadays, god know’s what it’ll be like in ten years time? Is there a plan to build more proper roads to offer an alternative to the main trunk routes when they are busy or closed? I doubt it.
It is not roads that we need it is better education for drivers. Out of my observation 75% of traffic could be avoided but… driving standards are VERY poor.
Adding extra lanes on M25 did not help yet. Again our money have been wasted.
that’s A BIG +1
YOU TALK SOME TWADDEL S_S that should make no difference. 1 vehicle 100,000 vehicles it’s down to how people drive.
Are you talking to me?
well fella congestion has nothing to do with it does it . you can park 1 or 100,000 vehicles on a road and nothing gets hit but put a person that don’t pay attention in one and let them move without paying attention and you have an incident don’t you.
therefor its the operator of the vehicle or vehicles not the volume of traffic .
Silver_Surfer: The roads are just too congested nowadays, god know’s what it’ll be like in ten years time? Is there a plan to build more proper roads to offer an alternative to the main trunk routes when they are busy or closed? I doubt it.
It is not roads that we need it is better education for drivers. Out of my observation 75% of traffic could be avoided but… driving standards are VERY poor.
Adding extra lanes on M25 did not help yet. Again our money have been wasted.
that’s A BIG +1
YOU TALK SOME TWADDEL S_S that should make no difference. 1 vehicle 100,000 vehicles it’s down to how people drive.
Are you talking to me?
Yes, I think you are. Firstly, thanks for the insult, no need for that really, you’ve let yourself down & probably aren’t worthy of debating with me but hey ho:
I appreciate making people drive better would reduce accidents but unfortunately we are not robots so this will never happen & even if it did the ones who cause the accidents cannot be educated because they are thick.
More congestion equals a higher chance of accidents as people drive closer together, this is simple physics. More roads equals less congestion. How much of our road tax gets spent on roads? There’s some BS about more roads equals more cars on them but this has got to be rubbish, people want to drive on them? They pay? Build more.
If a major trunk road is closed due to an accident, there should & could be a viable alternative, even if you have to pay, the cost to the economy is chronic.
I appreciate the m6 toll hasn’t been a success but it’s been a success for me as I use it if there’s an accident/congestion on the m6, cash money, they’re bloody welcome to it.
Silver_Surfer: The roads are just too congested nowadays, god know’s what it’ll be like in ten years time? Is there a plan to build more proper roads to offer an alternative to the main trunk routes when they are busy or closed? I doubt it.
It is not roads that we need it is better education for drivers. Out of my observation 75% of traffic could be avoided but… driving standards are VERY poor.
Adding extra lanes on M25 did not help yet. Again our money have been wasted.
that’s A BIG +1
YOU TALK SOME TWADDEL S_S that should make no difference. 1 vehicle 100,000 vehicles it’s down to how people drive.
Are you talking to me?
Yes, I think you are. Firstly, thanks for the insult, no need for that really, you’ve let yourself down & probably aren’t worthy of debating with me but hey ho:
I appreciate making people drive better would reduce accidents but unfortunately we are not robots so this will never happen & even if it did the ones who cause the accidents cannot be educated because they are thick.
More congestion equals a higher chance of accidents as people drive closer together, this is simple physics. More roads equals less congestion. How much of our road tax gets spent on roads? There’s some BS about more roads equals more cars on them but this has got to be rubbish, people want to drive on them? They pay? Build more.
If a major trunk road is closed due to an accident, there should & could be a viable alternative, even if you have to pay, the cost to the economy is chronic.
I appreciate the m6 toll hasn’t been a success but it’s been a success for me as I use it if there’s an accident/congestion on the m6, cash money, they’re bloody welcome to it.
Fella it was no way intended to be an insult but congestion don’t cause incidents its the person behind the wheel .
I agree about the nanny state we have that will shut a route for hours on end which could be handled better.
Re the major TR being closed with a viable alternative that’s not ever gonna happen due to the road network and if there happens to be a closure on that road what next ■■ another viable route which then has a dominos effect.
Driving standards have fallen to a damaging state.
Penalty’s for poor / bad driving don’t deter people from doing the same thing over and over again.
Make joe public have a medical to drive and they would have a head fit
Make joe public have to do advanced training they would be up in arms
and to delay them by doing 40 F kin hell they’d hang you (as would some so called Professional drivers that have to get to their delivery come hell or high water )
Its the Any vehicle drivers that cause the problems not congestion
Glad everyone got out alive pics arent nice, as already said its not how many lanes roads have its who’s on them thats the problem,only done 480km today seen 3 accidents got caught in 90 mins delay from j21 to j19 m6 south (again same yesterday).
With all the accidents we see its getting more of a relief to get back to the yard nowadays
helmik:
On a personal note, i am absolutely disgusted once again by the number of sick individuals who chose to drive past taking photos and videos, lorry drivers included. What on earth do you expect to do with the pics/footage, sit and home getting a hard on looking at dead or injured people?? Maybe you should come to scene and be part of it, might make you realise that injured, dead and suffering people from the incident deserve some dignity. Maybe of it was one of your family or friends you might think twice, although i doubt it. To anyone who i shouted at, gestured at or insulted today, you deserve it.
You can probably blame social networking for that crap!
They can post all their pics and vids online and that way they can count how many “likes” and wot not they get and be able to hold themselves in high esteem on facebook!
What a sad world we live in!
Gavc:
As the driver of the burns fridge I would be fascinated to here your take on what happened ?
Am i reading that correctly? You are the driver of the fridge?? If so, not really happy to discuss on an open forum but i assume the Police will have made you aware of their inquiries??
Gavc:
As the driver of the burns fridge I would be fascinated to here your take on what happened ?
Am i reading that correctly? You are the driver of the fridge?? If so, not really happy to discuss on an open forum but i assume the Police will have made you aware of their inquiries??[/
albion1971:
I did read all the post.No I was not there and I do not know what happened but I see plenty truck drivers driving like morons everyday and I know if anything out of the ordinary happens they will not be able to stop and that is more than likely the case here.
I am just glad nobody was killed are seriously injured as I said.You got a problem with that or are you a tailgater perhaps?
You seemed to be insinuating (once again) that it was poor lorry driving to blame for this accident. It might have been but then again it could also be mechanical failure, driver taken ill, whatever. As ever you don’t consider any of the other possible reasons in your haste to decry truck drivers in general, as if you are some kind of superior being.
You’ll also need to explain how you come to the conclusion that I’m a ‘tailgater’ just because I don’t automatically assume the lorry driver(s) is/are to blame, as you do. Jumping to conclusions… again?
I am not insinuating anything.I just said what I see on the roads everyday.Bad lorry driving.Do you not notice it?
Also I never said you were a tailgater.I asked you if you were.There is a difference.
The only conclusion I am jumping to is you cannot understand plain english and you are in denial about bad lorry drivers.
albion1971:
I did read all the post.No I was not there and I do not know what happened but I see plenty truck drivers driving like morons everyday and I know if anything out of the ordinary happens they will not be able to stop and that is more than likely the case here.
I am just glad nobody was killed are seriously injured as I said.You got a problem with that or are you a tailgater perhaps?
You seemed to be insinuating (once again) that it was poor lorry driving to blame for this accident. It might have been but then again it could also be mechanical failure, driver taken ill, whatever. As ever you don’t consider any of the other possible reasons in your haste to decry truck drivers in general, as if you are some kind of superior being.
You’ll also need to explain how you come to the conclusion that I’m a ‘tailgater’ just because I don’t automatically assume the lorry driver(s) is/are to blame, as you do. Jumping to conclusions… again?
I am not insinuating anything.I just said what I see on the roads everyday.Bad lorry driving.Do you not notice it?
Also I never said you were a tailgater.I asked you if you were.There is a difference.
The only conclusion I am jumping to is you cannot understand plain english and you are in denial about bad lorry drivers.
I drove past on my way to work (northbound) just after the emergency services had arrived. The M6 southbound is still closed now, a colleague said it’s due to open tomorrow morning.
I did a quick search online whilst a work and was amazed to read nobody had been killed. I saw the Maersk container’s cab as I drove past, how the driver is still alive I have no idea.
Somebody was watching over you today dude that’s for sure
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