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AHT:
bubsy06:
How can you not know who you sold the vehicle to though?
I thought you had to enter the details of the new owner on the log book before you sent it off
They would know the name of the dealer and the dealer would know the name of the next person who bought itThey were speaking to a stagecoach spokesman who said it was sold to a dealer and he didnt know who the dealer sold it to, whitch seems normal
The Sarge:
[zb] Off!! From the photos it looks like (emphasise “looks like”) the lorry was travelling in lane 1 at an unspecified speed, came across an unlit obstruction, tries to move onto hard shoulder which is unavailable due to the bridge, and either swerves back into the bus or possibly glances off the concrete wall and hits the bus. Either scenario would push the bus into the centre of the carriageway. If the lorry driver had swerved into lane 2 he could have wiped out any vehicle overtaking him. From what I can see from the video and photos he did all he could. He put himself directly into harms way - it was his seat that took the force of the impact, I don’t think I could have done the same. Hope he recovers soon.
The bus drivers duty was to get passengers off the bus - they wouldn’t have had to “walk down a live lane” as they were already in lane 1!Sorry, the first rule of driving is that you must be able to stop in the road you can see to be clear, if a driver doesnt have time to stop then he is driving far to fast.
I refer you to the first two words of my previous reply (highlighted in blue)…
And my last comment on this thread - RIP to the 2 deceased, and speedy recovery to all others involved.
The Sarge:
AHT:
bubsy06:
How can you not know who you sold the vehicle to though?
I thought you had to enter the details of the new owner on the log book before you sent it off
They would know the name of the dealer and the dealer would know the name of the next person who bought itThey were speaking to a stagecoach spokesman who said it was sold to a dealer and he didnt know who the dealer sold it to, whitch seems normal
The Sarge:
[zb] Off!! From the photos it looks like (emphasise “looks like”) the lorry was travelling in lane 1 at an unspecified speed, came across an unlit obstruction, tries to move onto hard shoulder which is unavailable due to the bridge, and either swerves back into the bus or possibly glances off the concrete wall and hits the bus. Either scenario would push the bus into the centre of the carriageway. If the lorry driver had swerved into lane 2 he could have wiped out any vehicle overtaking him. From what I can see from the video and photos he did all he could. He put himself directly into harms way - it was his seat that took the force of the impact, I don’t think I could have done the same. Hope he recovers soon.
The bus drivers duty was to get passengers off the bus - they wouldn’t have had to “walk down a live lane” as they were already in lane 1!Sorry, the first rule of driving is that you must be able to stop in the road you can see to be clear, if a driver doesnt have time to stop then he is driving far to fast.
I refer you to the first two words of my previous reply (highlighted in blue)…
And my last comment on this thread - RIP to the 2 deceased, and speedy recovery to all others involved.
How very mature of you, your skills at putting across a well reasoned argument amaze me 
Are you saying its ok to stay on the limiter in adverse condidtions and if you hit sompthing its there fault because they shouldn’t be there in the first place but its ok because you did all you could to avoid them?
As i said the law states that you must travel at an appropreate speed for the conditions you must be able to stop in the road you can see to be clear.
Now im not suggesting for one minuite that that truck driver went out with the intention to cause harm, and im sure if he had the chance he would do things diffrently, but the fact remains this collision could have esily been avioded if the truck driver was traviling at an appropreate speed, i.e. slower, assuming that there were no other factors that we dont yet know about such as the driver suffering a heart attack.
Rip driver and passenger
Right, this is the last time I post on here - who the ■■■■ suggested the HGV driver was on the limiter??
The guy is a hero - he put himself directly into harms way. As far as I can see, the bus driver failed in his duty of care, he should not have left his passengers in a live lane in fog. Doesn’t make him a bad guy - just wrong is all.
Now you can go back to calling me names with impunity, because I won’t be posting on this thread again.
The Sarge:
Right, this is the last time I post on here - who the [zb] suggested the HGV driver was on the limiter??
The guy is a hero - he put himself directly into harms way. As far as I can see, the bus driver failed in his duty of care, he should not have left his passengers in a live lane in fog. Doesn’t make him a bad guy - just wrong is all.
Now you can go back to calling me names with impunity, because I won’t be posting on this thread again.
I didnt suggest he was on the limiter, he had probably slowed down but clearly not to a safe speed, or he could have been distracted, yes he did put himself directly in harms way by traveling to fast, and hitting a stationary coach, sorry but not really sure how you can suggest he is a hero for that, I never suggested he was a bad guy but he was responsible for this crash, again i say this assuming there were no unfoseable factors.
The bus driver could have done things diffrently but the fact remains the truck would still have hit the bus
Like a lot of collisions where there is death involved and those that know the real reasons have been killed only the result the investigators come up with will be what goes down in black and white and where they point the blame. When all is done the Bus driver may not face the charges against him and true he did not actually do anything to cause the collision, it was what he may not have done, similarly only the Fowler Welsh driver knew what he came across, what the conditions were for him and the action he took, we now know we will never exactly discover that.
Other motorists will be interviewed but will they tell the real and correct details even if they were eye witnesses which it seems may not be the case as I’m not sure anyone saw the actual collision. The investigators work, along with statements from the Bus driver and any witnesses will be all they can work with and not forgetting the Tacho disc from the wagon. Whatever the end result its a sad case with at least three peoples lives effected, two dead and one seriously injured who may not fully recover, then the families of those injured and killed and of course the Bus driver who whether to blame or not will have to live with the outcome for the rest of his life. One day the final result might make the news and we will say Oh yes I remember that and carry on with our lives, seems rather foolish to argue and pontificate with each other on here about details we know nothing of yet.
the Bus driver should of got the passengers to move away from teh rear 5 seats of teh bus creating a crash cushion as such, not trying to point blame, but looking at the way the truck has hit the bus it does not seem teh bus was directly in lane one … unless the truck as swerved left to try and avoid it?
no disrespects to most drivers of buses (PCV HOLDER) they do not have a clue what to do in these situations if he had of got the passengers to ger off of the rear seats then maybe just maybe that guy would of survived … why is it not mentioned that the driver called 999, it seems all and sundry did but not the driver of the bus …
Facts will come out, just looks like the Truck driver scarificed his life to save the others … as one poster stated he could not see his car on drive from his window … even if the trucker had of slowed to 10 prob would of still hit the bus … just baffled to why the driver did not try to get it over to the H/S unless his air did go and his brakes locked on.
RIP to the Passenger & Driver
AHT:
The Sarge:
Right, this is the last time I post on here - who the [zb] suggested the HGV driver was on the limiter??
The guy is a hero - he put himself directly into harms way. As far as I can see, the bus driver failed in his duty of care, he should not have left his passengers in a live lane in fog. Doesn’t make him a bad guy - just wrong is all.
Now you can go back to calling me names with impunity, because I won’t be posting on this thread again.I didnt suggest he was on the limiter, he had probably slowed down but clearly not to a safe speed, or he could have been distracted, yes he did put himself directly in harms way by traveling to fast, and hitting a stationary coach, sorry but not really sure how you can suggest he is a hero for that, I never suggested he was a bad guy but he was responsible for this crash, again i say this assuming there were no unfoseable factors.
The bus driver could have done things diffrently but the fact remains the truck would still have hit the bus
We’ve been through this before, YES, the law states you must travel no faster than you can see to safely stop, BUT we all have to make assumptions or we’d never get anywhere.
I was on that motorway just after the smash, I was doing around 40mph and that was STILL TOO FAST by the rules of the game, but, I think it’s safe to assume that any other vehicles on the motorway will be lit at 6am.
As I said, I think a safe speed would’ve been around 10mph by the written rules, but would that really have been safe on a motorway? and how long would my journey to Newport have took then, if I’d made it without someone driving into the back of me. We have got to make certain assumptions everyday we drive or we’d never get out of the yard.
The bus stopped where the bridge was, no idea why, there’s a hard shoulder before the bridge and a hard shoulder after the bridge, there may be a reason he stopped right level with it, but it appears to be a really bad decision.
As I’ve said before, ex - bus, ex - coach, I’d have led by example, tell the people it’s really not safe to stay on the bus when you can’t see the white lines seperating lanes 2 and 3, and advise them it’d be best to get off the bus. Then, get off the bus, they would follow.
discoman:
the Bus driver should of got the passengers to move away from teh rear 5 seats of teh bus creating a crash cushion as such, not trying to point blame, but looking at the way the truck has hit the bus it does not seem teh bus was directly in lane one … unless the truck as swerved left to try and avoid it?
Too many people on the bus for that, it was only a small single deck, safer sat down than stood up if you were to stay on the bus, which I wouldn’t.
Already said that at 6am on the M5, most vehicles are as big or bigger than that bus, so if anything hits you, it’s going to hurt, get off the bloody thing.
you say not safer, the Highways agency tell broken down coaches to move passengers away from the last 5 rows, use it as a crash barrier trust me safer to have them standing than sitting there like sitting ducks, my mate still works for the HA, use give that advice to coach drivers to move all passengers away from the back … and as you can see where the truck hit there would of been nobody sitting there, the bus was broken down so standing at the front would of been safer
Hiya…HOW FAST was the truck going■■? anybody know if the brakes was off the psv
would have moved easly, at jennings we built half a dozen psv’s in the 70’s and belive me if you knew
what held them together you’d never get on one…look at it this way wooden frame aluminum frame
glassfibre panels… plastic interior, theres only one way to fasten these materials together,pop rivets
selftappers and adhisive.i think possibly some of the passangers would be asleep, i’ve seen these vehicles
traveling with pickers fast asleep going to work early in a morning.still a shame whatever.
John
I can’t believe this thread is STILL going. Some of you are arguing the toss with each other, about the what if’s and the why’s. It makes not one bit of difference to the outcome. It matters not who’s ■■■■■■■ fault it was. It happened and it’s sad. But FFS let it go.
bigvern1:
I can’t believe this thread is STILL going. Some of you are arguing the toss with each other, about the what if’s and the why’s. It makes not one bit of difference to the outcome. It matters not who’s [zb] fault it was. It happened and it’s sad. But FFS let it go.
Why get in a tizzy about it? Just relax and let people get on with it. It’s a forum, it’s what people do. Maybe you should let it go and let them get on with it.
Unfortunately these things happen but they usually can be avoided.Lets just hope people learn from this situation and the next time there is thick fog maybe they will think to themselves…could I stop if there was suddenly an obstuction in front of me?
Also if a coach breaks down the next time maybe the driver will get his passengers off the bus and to a safe place.
switchlogic:
bigvern1:
I can’t believe this thread is STILL going. Some of you are arguing the toss with each other, about the what if’s and the why’s. It makes not one bit of difference to the outcome. It matters not who’s [zb] fault it was. It happened and it’s sad. But FFS let it go.Why get in a tizzy about it? Just relax and let people get on with it. It’s a forum, it’s what people do. Maybe you should let it go and let them get on with it.
Not in a tizzy. nah na na nah na! I think I’ll let it go and let them get on with it. What do you reckon Luke? 
switchlogic:
bigvern1:
I can’t believe this thread is STILL going. Some of you are arguing the toss with each other, about the what if’s and the why’s. It makes not one bit of difference to the outcome. It matters not who’s [zb] fault it was. It happened and it’s sad. But FFS let it go.Why get in a tizzy about it? Just relax and let people get on with it. It’s a forum, it’s what people do. Maybe you should let it go and let them get on with it.
oops
No they won’t slow down, i travelled MI south on Sat and Sun, both early mornings the fog was thicker just as you approached Toddington, been the case there as long as i can remember…as the visibilty worsened i backed off gently down to a stoppable within vision speed, both days those equipped with X ray vision came storming by…i prefer them in front mind you, selfish but better chances of survival.
Darwins theory doesn’t unfortunately apply unless the obstruction is equally large and heavy, too often those who pay Darwins price are innocents in smaller vehicles who happened to be in the way when Mr X ray came steaming through the gloom.
bigvern1:
switchlogic:
bigvern1:
I can’t believe this thread is STILL going. Some of you are arguing the toss with each other, about the what if’s and the why’s. It makes not one bit of difference to the outcome. It matters not who’s [zb] fault it was. It happened and it’s sad. But FFS let it go.Why get in a tizzy about it? Just relax and let people get on with it. It’s a forum, it’s what people do. Maybe you should let it go and let them get on with it.
Not in a tizzy. nah na na nah na! I think I’ll let it go and let them get on with it. What do you reckon Luke?
You know what I think? I think you should let it go and let them get on with it.
Ok Luke…Here I am letting it go, and letting them get on with it. Thanks for the advice buddy. 
Amazing how many accident investigators are on this site 
bigvern1:
Ok Luke…Here I am letting it go, and letting them get on with it. Thanks for the advice buddy.
Vern let it go Dude it will eat you up inside , by the way I gotta little nice motor for you , mates rates and all that ideal for you delivery business .