Not sure why you are all so quick to blame the driver, do you think passengers would be willing to get off the warm bus and stand on a foggy bank?
Also in that situation the passengers would have to walk down a live lane to get to the hard shoulder witch some may have felt was more dangerous.
Assuming the truck colided with a stationary vehicle then the driver of the truck is at fault there is no excuse for hitting a stationary vehicle even on the motorway if its foggy you slow to a safe speed immidiantly, just like that woman on the BBC video saying its lucky that she was in the 2nd lane other wise she would have hit the bus, if thats the case she was driving dangerously.
Logo on the side of the bus;‘Another fine mess-bus? you’ve gotten me into.’
BTW it was a Stagecoach bus, not a coach…
DAF95XF:
BTW it was a Stagecoach bus, not a coach…
To be fair though legally everything is a bus. Coach is just a word glorified bus drivers use to distinguish themselves from the lowly service bus driver.
DAF95XF:
BTW it was a Stagecoach bus, not a coach…
It was an ex Stagecoach bus.
"The coach involved in the crash carried a logo of the company Stagecoach, but a spokesman for the firm said it had been sold to a dealer 18 months ago.
The spokesman did not know who it was sold to."
Ian58:
DAF95XF:
BTW it was a Stagecoach bus, not a coach…It was an ex Stagecoach bus.
"The coach involved in the crash carried a logo of the company Stagecoach, but a spokesman for the firm said it had been sold to a dealer 18 months ago.
The spokesman did not know who it was sold to."
Hmm??
Dont most companies remove their logos etc before selling? and how can you not know who you sold you vehicles to?
Sounds like they didnt want to damage their reputation seeing as the bus/coach/cattle wagon driver was arrested.
DAF95XF:
BTW it was a Stagecoach bus, not a coach…
buses and coaches are the same thing mate 
bubsy06:
Ian58:
DAF95XF:
BTW it was a Stagecoach bus, not a coach…It was an ex Stagecoach bus.
"The coach involved in the crash carried a logo of the company Stagecoach, but a spokesman for the firm said it had been sold to a dealer 18 months ago.
The spokesman did not know who it was sold to."
Hmm??
Dont most companies remove their logos etc before selling? and how can you not know who you sold you vehicles to?
Sounds like they didnt want to damage their reputation seeing as the bus/coach/cattle wagon driver was arrested.
“but a spokesman for the firm said it had been sold to a dealer”
I suppose they mean that they do not know who that dealer sold it to.
bubsy06:
Ian58:
DAF95XF:
BTW it was a Stagecoach bus, not a coach…It was an ex Stagecoach bus.
"The coach involved in the crash carried a logo of the company Stagecoach, but a spokesman for the firm said it had been sold to a dealer 18 months ago.
The spokesman did not know who it was sold to."
Hmm??
Dont most companies remove their logos etc before selling? and how can you not know who you sold you vehicles to?
Sounds like they didnt want to damage their reputation seeing as the bus/coach/cattle wagon driver was arrested.
I think most of the logos probably had been removed, then only one i can see is on teh roof that would not normally be visable, I dont think stagecoch would lie about having sold the vehicle as its bound to come out sooner or later
AHT:
bubsy06:
Ian58:
DAF95XF:
BTW it was a Stagecoach bus, not a coach…It was an ex Stagecoach bus.
"The coach involved in the crash carried a logo of the company Stagecoach, but a spokesman for the firm said it had been sold to a dealer 18 months ago.
The spokesman did not know who it was sold to."
Hmm??
Dont most companies remove their logos etc before selling? and how can you not know who you sold you vehicles to?
Sounds like they didnt want to damage their reputation seeing as the bus/coach/cattle wagon driver was arrested.I think most of the logos probably had been removed, then only one i can see is on teh roof that would not normally be visable, I dont think stagecoch would lie about having sold the vehicle as its bound to come out sooner or later
How can you not know who you sold the vehicle to though?
I thought you had to enter the details of the new owner on the log book before you sent it off 
They would know the name of the dealer and the dealer would know the name of the next person who bought it
AHT:
Not sure why you are all so quick to blame the driver, do you think passengers would be willing to get off the warm bus and stand on a foggy bank?
Also in that situation the passengers would have to walk down a live lane to get to the hard shoulder witch some may have felt was more dangerous.
Assuming the truck colided with a stationary vehicle then the driver of the truck is at fault there is no excuse for hitting a stationary vehicle even on the motorway if its foggy you slow to a safe speed immidiantly, just like that woman on the BBC video saying its lucky that she was in the 2nd lane other wise she would have hit the bus, if thats the case she was driving dangerously.
■■■■ Off!! From the photos it looks like (emphasise “looks like”) the lorry was travelling in lane 1 at an unspecified speed, came across an unlit obstruction, tries to move onto hard shoulder which is unavailable due to the bridge, and either swerves back into the bus or possibly glances off the concrete wall and hits the bus. Either scenario would push the bus into the centre of the carriageway. If the lorry driver had swerved into lane 2 he could have wiped out any vehicle overtaking him. From what I can see from the video and photos he did all he could. He put himself directly into harms way - it was his seat that took the force of the impact, I don’t think I could have done the same. Hope he recovers soon.
The bus drivers duty was to get passengers off the bus - they wouldn’t have had to “walk down a live lane” as they were already in lane 1!
The Sarge:
AHT:
Not sure why you are all so quick to blame the driver, do you think passengers would be willing to get off the warm bus and stand on a foggy bank?
Also in that situation the passengers would have to walk down a live lane to get to the hard shoulder witch some may have felt was more dangerous.
Assuming the truck colided with a stationary vehicle then the driver of the truck is at fault there is no excuse for hitting a stationary vehicle even on the motorway if its foggy you slow to a safe speed immidiantly, just like that woman on the BBC video saying its lucky that she was in the 2nd lane other wise she would have hit the bus, if thats the case she was driving dangerously.[zb] Off!! From the photos it looks like (emphasise “looks like”) the lorry was travelling in lane 1 at an unspecified speed, came across an unlit obstruction, tries to move onto hard shoulder which is unavailable due to the bridge, and either swerves back into the bus or possibly glances off the concrete wall and hits the bus. Either scenario would push the bus into the centre of the carriageway. If the lorry driver had swerved into lane 2 he could have wiped out any vehicle overtaking him. From what I can see from the video and photos he did all he could. He put himself directly into harms way - it was his seat that took the force of the impact, I don’t think I could have done the same. Hope he recovers soon.
The bus drivers duty was to get passengers off the bus - they wouldn’t have had to “walk down a live lane” as they were already in lane 1!
+1
I was thinking exactly that myself,if he come up to that bus in thick fog at 30mph as the matrix says ,he wouldnt have had any chance of seeing it if it didnt have lights on,the bloody bus looks off-white which in fog would be near impossible to see til it was too late .
bubsy06:
DAF95XF:
BTW it was a Stagecoach bus, not a coach…buses and coaches are the same thing mate
Coaches are fitted with seat belts . . . arent they?
Paul:
R.I.P to the deceased and a speedy recovery to the injured.Reading the news reports they are saying that the coach was hit in the rear by the truck. Now what really gets my goat is automatically people presume that the truck hit the coach and therefore its the truck drivers fault. If you look at the pics its obvious the coach was overtaking the truck SO the Coach Driver was going faster than the truck driver and this was apparantly in FOG. Looking at the pics and the fact that it was foggy is it not possible that the coach driver may have thought he was passed the truck and started to pull back into lane 1 ? IF thats the case then its the coach driver at fault and not the truck driver.
I am getting sick and tired everytime there is an RTC involving trucks that 1, it has to be emphasised a truck is involved, when there is an RTC between cars they never say two cars have been involved but always when there is a truck, 2 people always presume the truck driver is at fault, both the news channels and the traffic reporters should take an unbiased account of the details until any investigation has taken place. Rant overPaul
Condolence to the family of the passenger killed and a speedy recovery to the injured but I must say Cheers Paul you’ve given me a chuckle with the comment in Orange after your initial comment in red 
So your OBVIOUS scenario turned out to be speculation the same as the folk who automatically blame the trucker, did that not get your goat?
It was only in November another member unwittingly posted a comment about being delayed when the Multiple pile up accident happened because of the bonfire display (Alledgedly)
Surely it’s time members stopped this automatic apportioning of blame when the full facts are not known, to be honest I cant be bothered to count the number of posters in this thread that jumped to conclusions instead of waiting for more information but at least they can take pride in starting from the beginning of the thread to see if they were wrong 
The bus driver has been arrested and been bailed in connection with this accident t
bus driver charged with causing death by dangerous driving 
god knows what happened
commonrail:
bus driver charged with causing death by dangerous drivinggod knows what happened
Being arrested (and bailed) on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving is not the same as being charged with causing death by dangerous driving.
I hope this helps.
commonrail:
bus driver charged with causing death by dangerous drivinggod knows what happened
The driver has not been charged.
Ian58:
commonrail:
bus driver charged with causing death by dangerous drivinggod knows what happened
The driver has not been charged.
OK, on suspicion of - pedant…
The Sarge:
Ian58:
commonrail:
bus driver charged with causing death by dangerous drivinggod knows what happened
The driver has not been charged.
OK, on suspicion of - pedant…
Don’t talk like an idiot. Charged is a whole different ball game.