A bit of effin and jeffin going on there Luke, did the accident trigger off a Tourettes condition?
Agree with all you say on that, these ā ā ā ā s (Iām starting now, but that is exactly how they get you) are soooooo out of touch with reality.
When was the last time that pompous stupid ā ā ā ā (there I go again. ) do a 15 hour day in any of his gravy train jobs I wonder.
Now if they REDUCED the legally permitted hoursā¦that may go a long way to sort the shortage problem, to attract people rather than put them off.
Ok I have an idea. Feel free to implement it, dear govāt. Why not remove the requirement for class 2/1 tests? Anyone with van driving experience 6 monhts or more should be allowed to drive HGVs I mean theyāre all goods vehicles right? Time to reduce the bueraucracy and allow more people to enter the profession without the need for convoluted theory tests and waiting for driving tests etc.
ETS:
Ok I have an idea. Feel free to implement it, dear govāt. Why not remove the requirement for class 2/1 tests? Anyone with van driving experience 6 monhts or more should be allowed to drive HGVs I mean theyāre all goods vehicles right? Time to reduce the bueraucracy and allow more people to enter the profession without the need for convoluted theory tests and waiting for driving tests etc.
I support this idea. Driving standards would probably improve, now that all the eastern europeans with their farm tractor "licence"s have gone home.
cav551:
The reaction from the Grocery tradeās mouthpiece.
The move has been welcomed by the Federation of Wholesale Distributors, which has lobbied for the measure since the onset of the crisis in April.
āThis is just what food distributors needed, an immediate and obvious solution to what could have been a catastrophic supply chain failure,ā said FWD CEO James Bielby. āThe flexibility in driversā hours means those out-of-the-way shops, pubs and restaurants will get the stock they need for the big re-opening on Freedom Day, and will allow wholesalers to do as much as 15% more deliveries each day. āProvided it remains in place into the autumn, it will avert possible school closures in September and shortages in the shops in the run-up to Christmas.ā One national wholesaler said the additional time would allow it to deliver up to 15% more loads a day ā¦Meanwhile, The Grocer understands that the government is also in advanced talks with industry to relax immigration rules with the introduction of a temporary visa to allow EU drivers to work in the UK
More of the same crap then,flood us with people not thinking where or how we can accommodate everyone,housing shortages packed roads,schools are at breaking point.Dr appointments waiting times hospitals crammed etc
What sort of idiot politicians are we voting for.
Nothing wrong with immigration!But this will fail again and again.
The economy in the UK has been one if comparatively low production rates for ages. The short term investors arenāt interested in long term investment in plant or training. To grow the economy the population must increase. This has been going on for decades under different Governments.
Lack of schools, hospitals, doctors, when it has been projected that the population will increase is a blatant failure of central Gov.
The projected figures all showed greater need for more facilities but time and again tax-cutting parties were elected.
No schools or hospitals? Blame the immigrants. Easy, soft target. Donāt blame a lack of investment in the future by those taking profits from it, and living in tax havens.
Oh, and ask for ever lower taxes for the rich so they wonāt run away. As if they would leave their money making properties here behind.
Keep reading the Mail and Express as Murdoch and the Barclays tell you how tough it is for poor investors today, and how we should be grateful that they buy profitable factories in the UK.
I do not read any news paper, you obviously subscribe to the lefty guardian.
A bit of effin and jeffin going on there Luke, did the accident trigger off a Tourettes condition?
Agree with all you say on that, these [zb] s (Iām starting now, but that is exactly how they get you) are soooooo out of touch with reality.
When was the last time that pompous stupid [zb] (there I go again. ) do a 15 hour day in any of his gravy train jobs I wonder.
Now if they REDUCED the legally permitted hoursā¦that may go a long way to sort the shortage problem, to attract people rather than put them off.
Less swearing in this one. Less, no totally absent
It is completely relevant to say places like RDCs cause a lot of wasted time and expense and of course many drivers could make better use of their hours getting back to base and either going out again or getting back at a decent time to go back out the next day.
Of course the extension to hours smacks of the government being seen to do something to help. Realistically, the odd driver who is planned right up to the last minute anyway, may actually be able to get home if held up. As you allude to, this is sod all use in a 15 hour day, when a driver has been at an RDC for 4-5 hours. A 15 hour day is also way over the top in the first place, never mind driving for 11 hours of it.
So up to now the general consensus on here is they can ram it right up there.
I notice nobody has came out and said they are prepared to do it,.
Iād imagine owner drivers will be right on it., as well as some agency guys on top rate,.and tbf I can see their point in both cases if that is what they want to do, ā¦
But is there anybody who just knows that their particular firm will go somewhere between expecting it and enforcing it?
Is anybody agreeing with the idea, and is anybody on here just not arsed and will just go along with it anyway?
cav551:
The reaction from the Grocery tradeās mouthpiece.
The move has been welcomed by the Federation of Wholesale Distributors, which has lobbied for the measure since the onset of the crisis in April.
āThis is just what food distributors needed, an immediate and obvious solution to what could have been a catastrophic supply chain failure,ā said FWD CEO James Bielby. āThe flexibility in driversā hours means those out-of-the-way shops, pubs and restaurants will get the stock they need for the big re-opening on Freedom Day, and will allow wholesalers to do as much as 15% more deliveries each day. āProvided it remains in place into the autumn, it will avert possible school closures in September and shortages in the shops in the run-up to Christmas.ā One national wholesaler said the additional time would allow it to deliver up to 15% more loads a day ā¦Meanwhile, The Grocer understands that the government is also in advanced talks with industry to relax immigration rules with the introduction of a temporary visa to allow EU drivers to work in the UK
More of the same crap then,flood us with people not thinking where or how we can accommodate everyone,housing shortages packed roads,schools are at breaking point.Dr appointments waiting times hospitals crammed etc
What sort of idiot politicians are we voting for.
Nothing wrong with immigration!But this will fail again and again.
The economy in the UK has been one if comparatively low production rates for ages. The short term investors arenāt interested in long term investment in plant or training. To grow the economy the population must increase. This has been going on for decades under different Governments.
Lack of schools, hospitals, doctors, when it has been projected that the population will increase is a blatant failure of central Gov.
The projected figures all showed greater need for more facilities but time and again tax-cutting parties were elected.
No schools or hospitals? Blame the immigrants. Easy, soft target. Donāt blame a lack of investment in the future by those taking profits from it, and living in tax havens.
Oh, and ask for ever lower taxes for the rich so they wonāt run away. As if they would leave their money making properties here behind.
Keep reading the Mail and Express as Murdoch and the Barclays tell you how tough it is for poor investors today, and how we should be grateful that they buy profitable factories in the UK.
I do not read any news paper, you obviously subscribe to the lefty guardian.
I do sometimes read the Guardian. And the i, Mail, Express, FT, Telegraph, New European, and lots else. I watch some of hklossās suggestions and Juddianās suggested videos and blogs.
If you choose to shut down information sources (de-platform them) that is up to you.
But since you try to steer the conversation away from the actions of the Gov and onto my reading habits, I could guess you are not disputing what I say?
Please feel free to respond with any views you have. Or equally if you have nothing constructive to say post a meme or video.
(1) Are full timers going to be forced to work extra hours for no extra pay (especially the salaried ones) or at least made to work overtime the driverās donāt want, already doing long-enough weeks as it is?
(2) Are agencies going to let standards slip further so that ā11 points on licenceā is now the new OK?
Winseer:
Are full timers going to be forced to work extra hours for no extra pay
I feel that your experience of working and mine differ so much as to be completely unrecognisable to each other. Iāve never benn āforcedā to work extra hours. Iāve never been threatened with a nasty Chinese burn if I refused a job, and Iāve never had threats to my family if I dare to refuse extra work.
I suspect that my experience is similar to most others on here in as much that on occasion Iām asked if I can do an extra job, if I have the time and Iām amenable Iāll agree, do the job and get paid for my time. If I donāt want to do it a simple refusal has never resulted in ramifications for me.
You need to choose employers more carefully my friend.
Winseer:
Are full timers going to be forced to work extra hours for no extra pay
I feel that your experience of working and mine differ so much as to be completely unrecognisable to each other. Iāve never benn āforcedā to work extra hours. Iāve never been threatened with a nasty Chinese burn if I refused a job, and Iāve never had threats to my family if I dare to refuse extra work.
I suspect that my experience is similar to most others on here in as much that on occasion Iām asked if I can do an extra job, if I have the time and Iām amenable Iāll agree, do the job and get paid for my time. If I donāt want to do it a simple refusal has never resulted in ramifications for me.
You need to choose employers more carefully my friend.
That is the crux of the matter, but addressed to drivers in general. You clearly are lucky but there are many (not me) who do fear the consequences of refusing to extend their time behind the wheel or their working day. There must be many companies rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of being able to get āthatā run done with only one driver, or the fortunate implications of salary upon getting a particular job done more cheaply. We have already seen another thread enquiring about driving time for a run from Manchester to Glasgow and back. This may be a coincidence that it has arisen this week, but others will be looking to exploit the concession and there will be implied coercion, but not in so many words.
lizard:
Now that heāll have an extra hours drive time, thats buggered up Friday steak night at Dozyās. [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]
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Of course, given an extra hour to drive, hell be given a run 2hr further away. The planner has appetites too ya know. It wont be a card being pulled tonight.
dozy:
like last time , if I was working , ran out of hours / driving time on a Friday & his extra hours got me home Iād be more that thankful for the relaxation of hours , same as when they did it before
I just want to get home whatever , good luck to the ones with principles who will sit in a lay-by for 11 hrs on a Friday night instead of using the relaxation in rules ,but getting home is more important to me than principals
Whilst I understand what youāre saying Dozy therein lies the problem, there is always a reason to keep doing more, getting home, I need the money etc etc but whilst you keep doing it nothing will change, youāll continue to tear around to get home as your boss will know that, people will need the money so the unscrupulous bosses will continue to pay low wages knowing that certain drivers will work 60+ hours a week just to earn a living wage.
When I drove for Shanks believe me they wanted their pound of flesh but because we had London Brick terms and conditions we were rewarded very well, if we couldnāt do or wouldnāt do our last load on a Friday they would have to get someone to do it Saturday, even if it was a local job that took just over an hour we were paid a minimum of of 4 hours, if we did Southampton on a Saturday the first 4 hours were time and a half and double time after 4 hours. We also had bonus on top which was also + 1/2 or x2.
Even with this we still had a young driver who was a pain in the arse for all the other drivers carving the job up tearing around, in the end because his bonus was at a ridiculous amount they cut the bonus down so in the end he was tearing around for the same money he couldāve earned taking his time doing the job the right way. No matter what you said to him he always had a reason for doing it and this is why drivers get a bad deal.
Back when I drove I also wanted to get home but back then I used to have a dodgy, I havenāt always been in a comfortable position financially as with most people but I would never work Saturday or Sunday without as Bewick said being paid time and a half and double bubble. Maybe if you did stay out on a Friday night thus incurring night out pay and then get paid for the Saturday your boss would think twice about it, failing that thereās numerous jobs available at the moment so maybe time to have a look around? Thatās what I did with my last job at the pile of ā ā ā ā Movianto who at the time treated their employees like dirt, I hope they are struggling to get drivers now, they deserve nothing better.
Isnāt this relaxation going against one of the main, perhaps the most important for some voters, themes of Brexit? As they say be careful what you ask for, eh? Doubtless Boris will blame Covidā¦
ETS:
Ok I have an idea. Feel free to implement it, dear govāt. Why not remove the requirement for class 2/1 tests? Anyone with van driving experience 6 monhts or more should be allowed to drive HGVs I mean theyāre all goods vehicles right? Time to reduce the bueraucracy and allow more people to enter the profession without the need for convoluted theory tests and waiting for driving tests etc.
It used to be that the requirements were a driving licence for a car, 21 years of age, adequate eyesight and being physically able to control the vehicle I believe. Back in my youthā¦ Then off you went.
Before that, in my Dadās youth, you had to be 17 (I think it was), buy a licence from āthe aithoritiesā and you could get in and (learn to) drive! My dad said he had never taken a driving test and was totally legal.
It reads to me your 2x10s are now 2x11s, 9s remain 9s.
But itās still 90 for the fortnight, so youāre only nicking 2 hours from the following week.
Or you can do (itās one or the other, not both) 2 reduced on the bounce, but then you have to have 2 regular, so 2 in a 4 week period, just like now! With the only other thing the 90 is increased to 99.
So to me thatās all going to make next to no difference to anything, other than a driver getting home instead of a night out.
I actually think the government is doing a good job for helping drivers with all this, theyāve told the industry to sort themselves out twice I think, maybe Iām giving them to much credit but i even think this relaxation could have been done this way to be seen as doing something whilst it not actually making any difference. So long as they donāt allow EU drivers back theyāre doing a good job to increase wages, but everyone is kicking off and suggesting ways to ease the driver shortageā¦are you mad? Do you want lower wages?
) do a 15 hour day in any of his gravy train jobs I wonder.