Of course Mappo has been over here and me also and probably lots of us who did the telly’s to Domodossola for STS transiting though Swiss, the Simplon in summer was beautiful but not so good when the snow came. Remember Dellagarna hit a wooden snow shute with a tilt but he was spotted and had to pay a big fine as well as knackering the front corner of the trailer, cheers Buzzer.
Princes gave a better service in there day for Volvo trucks than is offered today by the present operators especially when they were in Millbrook. They I believe used to be AEC agents before Volvo and I indeed bought a Mandator ex Harp Lager from them, had a pair of ear defenders in the cab, plus a jack and wheel brace and I thought the fuel gauge which was on the tank on them was broken only to be informed by “happy to help” Roger Leopard that when they sold a motor they always filled it up before it left there premises, Buzzer.
robthedog:
Old Princes key fob I expect there a few of these tucked away
Is that a womans hand holding that key ring? as there don’t seem to be any callasous on them from roping and sheeting.Regards Todd
hands that do dishes are as soft as your face etc , if you are old enough to remember .
rigsby:
hands that do dishes are as soft as your face etc , if you are old enough to remember .
…With mild, green, fairy liquid! (Soft music). By the way, do any of you So’ton chaps remember Shamara heavy haulage? And if so, you will undoubtedly remember their Scammell Amazon but do you remember their ERF NGC ‘European’ 6x4 conversion that used to haul Pirelli coils out of the docks in the '70s / '80s? Any pics (other than the ones I’ve already posted on the ‘ERF European 1975’ thread. If you’re not sure, post them anyway! God bless Southampton! Robert 
rigsby:
hands that do dishes are as soft as your face etc , if you are old enough to remember .
Sorry, can’t resist.
Teacher ’ can anybody give me a sentence with the word judicious in it?’
OK, all together now.
Amazingly, Lesley Ash, of men behaving badly and the beestung lips, was the Tot in that advert
Thank goodness the joke of age is upon us all!
John
John West:
rigsby:
hands that do dishes are as soft as your face etc , if you are old enough to remember .Sorry, can’t resist.
Teacher ’ can anybody give me a sentence with the word judicious in it?’
OK, all together now.
Amazingly, Lesley Ash, of men behaving badly and the beestung lips, was the Tot in that advert
Thank goodness the joke of age is upon us all!
John
As an ex-teacher and ex-trucker, I can supply this sentence: With judicious use of the 9-speed Fuller gearbox, one should be able to complete the descent of the hill from Kici to Cilvegozu on the Turkish-Syrian border without wearing out the drum-brakes of an ERF NGC ‘European’… Robert 
robert1952:
John West:
rigsby:
hands that do dishes are as soft as your face etc , if you are old enough to remember .Sorry, can’t resist.
Teacher ’ can anybody give me a sentence with the word judicious in it?’
OK, all together now.
Amazingly, Lesley Ash, of men behaving badly and the beestung lips, was the Tot in that advert
Thank goodness the joke of age is upon us all!
John
As an ex-teacher and ex-trucker, I can supply this sentence: With judicious use of the 9-speed Fuller gearbox, one should be able to complete the descent of the hill from Kici to Cilvegozu on the Turkish-Syrian border without wearing out the drum-brakes of an ERF NGC ‘European’… Robert
Or even the descent into Damascus in an F88 with an exhaust brake that makes a noise but doesn’t slow you down - but should have checked that the trailer brakes were actually doing anything! 
John West:
robert1952:
John West:
rigsby:
hands that do dishes are as soft as your face etc , if you are old enough to remember .Sorry, can’t resist.
Teacher ’ can anybody give me a sentence with the word judicious in it?’
OK, all together now.
Amazingly, Lesley Ash, of men behaving badly and the beestung lips, was the Tot in that advert
Thank goodness the joke of age is upon us all!
John
As an ex-teacher and ex-trucker, I can supply this sentence: With judicious use of the 9-speed Fuller gearbox, one should be able to complete the descent of the hill from Kici to Cilvegozu on the Turkish-Syrian border without wearing out the drum-brakes of an ERF NGC ‘European’… Robert
Or even the descent into Damascus in an F88 with an exhaust brake that makes a noise but doesn’t slow you down - but should have checked that the trailer brakes were actually doing anything!
Perfect! Those were the days when we were taught how to adjust our trailer brakes before embarking on a Middle-East run! I have to hand it to Harrier Express of Faversham: Simon Wilkinson - bless him - he actually sent me on a crash course in Middle-East truck maintenance before sending me in a Scania 112m with 12m tilt to Turkey. Baptism of fire, of course, but nice to have a bit of ‘knowledge’ first! Oh, happy days. Robert 
Hi Robert, regrettably I never did the Middle East , but when doing traction only to
mainly Italy out of Portsmouth for STS, the first thing I used to do after connecting to
the trailer was to clamber underneath and adjust the brakes…they almost always
needed doing.
As regards Shamara, yes I do remember them and they were mentioned way back
In the earlier pages of this thread…I can’t remember which photos were put on now.
Regards…Tony
mappo:
Hi Robert, regrettably I never did the Middle East , but when doing traction only to
mainly Italy out of Portsmouth for STS, the first thing I used to do after connecting to
the trailer was to clamber underneath and adjust the brakes…they almost always
needed doing.
As regards Shamara, yes I do remember them and they were mentioned way back
In the earlier pages of this thread…I can’t remember which photos were put on now.
Regards…Tony
Remember that Tone, we always had the right size spanner and a hammer to knock the lockers in on the adjusters handy in the cab. If we shipped together you did the brakes and I fitted the lenses the reason being you had a boiler suit and were skinny and I was more portly. Think it would be roll reversal today as I am now slimmer and you, well lets leave it there eh ! cheers Buzzer.
mappo:
Hi Robert, regrettably I never did the Middle East , but when doing traction only to
mainly Italy out of Portsmouth for STS, the first thing I used to do after connecting to
the trailer was to clamber underneath and adjust the brakes…they almost always
needed doing.
As regards Shamara, yes I do remember them and they were mentioned way back
In the earlier pages of this thread…I can’t remember which photos were put on now.
Regards…Tony
Cheers, Mappo! Robert
We installed the exhaust brake/trailer brakes valve…perfick if used with a bit of sense! (Not my trailer)!
ainacs:
Another pic from Marc (Bubbleman)'s Scrapbook thread this time Tony Kimbers Scammell Constructor along side his 8 wheel Crusader
Here is “Samson”
Robert this is the one you were on about and it is the Scammell SAMSON which was new to Pickford’s heavy haulage Sheffield and I believe it is now being restored
cheers Johnnie 
Glad it’s being restored. I see it was on a Q-plate - Q362-NTR, which is quite interesting because Shamara’s ERF 6x4 NGC with which it used to push-pull, was registered Q691-NTR. I had always assumed that the ERF had been re-imported, but as both had Q-plates there may have been some other reason. I can’t think what though, as Q-plates were for vehicles of indeterminate age. A mystery! Robert
Were they ex Military hence why they had Q plates?
I was always under the notion that Q plates were used for rebuilds of write offs and kit cars…
Q Plates …
some quotes I found on intenet…
Colin
