Were looking for 300 concrete railway sleepers 2.6 mts long to enable us to build some decent aggregate bays in our yard.
Do any of you boys do or have transported these about as were having trouble finding any for sale we can get wooden ones easy enough but these tend to be a lot more to buy.
Apparantly one firm we did speak to did say they can legally carry 100 on a lorry load ? and they wanted £3.00 per sleeper which is not bad but wanted transport Notts to Cambs £500 so that makes each lorry load of 100 sleepers £800 ( £2400 for the three loads of 300 sleepers).
Bit green on transport costs for something like this is £500 per load transport good or bad?? Easy of load at our end fork lift on site!
Also need some old RSJs anyone move these?
Trickyd
We have priced up to build our bays in concrete reinforced building blocks works out some what cheaper than sleepers but not so strong maybe?? What are your bays made off? anygood?
Just a thought have you tried talking to a Heavy Haulage STGO company as they would be able to carry much more in weight wise and have the knowledge of stowing and securing it correctly,so you may only need two trips, and perhaps so the cost of moving the items will end up cheaper ,
@coffeeholic
How do they transport then extra heavy Iron pipes etc.
I no expert so I have no idea perhaps Rikki might be able
to say what is allowed and that which is forbidden
brit pete: @coffeeholic
How do they transport then extra heavy Iron pipes etc.
I no expert so I have no idea perhaps Rikki might be able
to say what is allowed and that which is forbidden
An abnormal indivisible load (AIL) must not be capable of being divided into smaller parts which could then be carried on vehicles that comply with the Construction and Use Regulations (C&U regs)
300 sleepers can easily be divided onto vehicles that comply with normal regs. If you could just load what ever you wanted and claim ‘heavy haulage’ everybody would be running round overweight.
STGO isnt a licence to carry any goods at higher weights, it is for indivisible loads.
In this case the load is obviously divisible so couldnt be carried under STGO but rather under C&U at a maximum GVW of 44 tonnes.
There are exemptions to the STGO/C&U rules, one is when operating upto 80 tonnes you can carry two similar items, as long as the first item takes the GVW into STGO weights, with the 2nd “Similar” item the weight does not exceed 80 Tonnes and both are loaded at the same collection point and being delivered to the same destination
Another is Crane Ballast which operates on a special order and allows for multiple items.
Concrete sleepers as described doesnt fall into any of the exemption catagories and therefore could not be carried under STGO
It is in theory possible to get “Special orders” that allow multiple items to be moved on a vehicle, but they are extremely difficult to get and have to have some extremely good reasons as to why it should be allowed.
would you not be better with concrete panels tricky, there is a firm (or maybe was i’m not sure if they are around anymore) down in suffolk that makes concrete panels and moveable bays, its a lot nearer cambs and panels would be more suited for aggragate bays rather than sleepers, heres the firms web site poundfield.com
@Rikki, this is probably not allowed either then a 40/45ft open container , loaded up with said sleepers this is a load can this then be moved by STGO-heavy haulage company■■?; Sorry as over here(germany ) one can get a permit to run near enough any way if you pay and they agree, for example 2axled unit 4/5axeled steel-coil carrier at well above the 40tns allowed,
scotstrucker:
would you not be better with concrete panels tricky, there is a firm (or maybe was i’m not sure if they are around anymore) down in suffolk that makes concrete panels and moveable bays, its a lot nearer cambs and panels would be more suited for aggragate bays rather than sleepers, heres the firms web site poundfield.com
Blimey i spoke to them the other day down at Ipswich before trying to sort out the concrete sleepers.
Must say great product large triangle shape concrete wall /panels ,you can move around as you wish with a forklift and make a decent bay in very little time,great idea have seen them in Dickersons large yard at Waterbeach cambs but downside well over £15k and there loads of extras to go on that as well so could end up a 20k job ,not in this climate,not in any climate actually!
Thats why concrete sleepers much cheaper than wooden ones! We want to go 2mts high!
most of the aggregate bays on sites i go to are made of wooden sleepers slooted into rsj,s.
if they are used stock they are normally covered in that much tar and creosote they are going to last years and years. that said new sites tend to mostly used them concrete wall partions.
tarmac just up the road from peterborough at tallington make railway sleepers and them concrete wall sections, it might be worth giving them a call . they may have a load of seconds or something going cheap. prestons of potto do there transporting and have wagons on site
The best aggregate bays i’ve seen in use were made from reinforced, poured concrete. Large concrete pans were used to construct them. They can take any amount of bashing from from JCB’s, Grab’s etc. As for the wooden sleepers, they’re quite sufficient for the job in hand and long lasting. But if you do opt for the sleepers, be sure to cap the RSJ’s with a steel plate to stop them rising whenever they get caught on the bucket of a JCB or the grab.
Johnson aggregates at Wooton Bassett nr Swindon (Wilts) might be worth a try.They have stacks of them in their yard.Will put a contact no up if i can find one
We dont move them but I see trucks hauling both types of sleeper in and out of the railway depot in Crewe virtually every week’
Wooden are uniform in shape (i.e. flat on both sides) whereas the concrete ones are shaped on one side. this could be a problem with aggragate getting between the gaps.
Behind our yard is an aggragate and cement works, they just use RSJs with wooden sleepers, seem to hold up well.
Ive also seen wooden sleepers used but with steel plate fixed to it
You would be ok with concrete blocks as long as their not hollow and your shovel driver is careful.
we only have 1 bay and that is done concrete blocks and h beam at the corners and then smotthed over with concrete and a concrete floor but deliver too loads of places who have them done with timber sleepers, aslong as you aint scared of shoveling out the corners then the timber ones are the job
