I got asked the other day in work to show my full (counterpart & card) licence, which I said no probs I’ll bring the paper in tomorrow. He replied “you should carry your paper part all the time”!! anyway after a couple of minutes conversation he said he wants me to now carry both parts of my licence.
Now am I right in thinking if I had both parts in my wallet and lets say I lost my wallet someone can use my licence to put they’re points on?? and for that reason I refused but he is saying I must!!!
Can anyone shed some light thanks
Gidion
Yes you do need to keep your counterpart section of your licence with you. Don’t know where you got that story about someone else potentially putting points on your licence? Never heard of that one before. That is for a court to do if you got any points yourself. If you got a tug by the police or the ministry they will ask for your photocard and counterpart.
This is from the Home Office Website
When pulled over by the police, you may be asked to produce documents including:
driving licence
insurance certificate
vehicle registration documentIf you don’t have these with you, you’ll be given seven days to produce them at a police station. If you feel you’ve been stopped too many times, you can make a complaint. You can find out more about making a complaint on the website for the Independent Police Complaints Commission
The producer is called HO/RT 1
I have to hand over my card and counterpart at the start of every shift, even though the office staff know me!
kayvee:
I have to hand over my card and counterpart at the start of every shift, even though the office staff know me!
Why? You should keep your driving license on you.
it may be company policy for you to carry both parts of your licence
it certainly isnt the law yet
as for companies checking licences every day a complete waste of time
i can see the point if your ad hoc agency in a place but for regular drivers
surely 3 month interval even 6 would be ok
Giddy:
I got asked the other day in work to show my full (counterpart & card) licence, which I said no probs I’ll bring the paper in tomorrow. He replied “you should carry your paper part all the time”!! anyway after a couple of minutes conversation he said he wants me to now carry both parts of my licence.
Now am I right in thinking if I had both parts in my wallet and lets say I lost my wallet someone can use my licence to put they’re points on?? and for that reason I refused but he is saying I must!!!
Can anyone shed some light thanks
Gidion
if you havent got it on you you just have to produce it at cop station within x amount of days,stopped in car a fair few times lately,no ins/mot on me,just showed it at cop-staton
Producers are a thing Ov the past.
It’s all electronic now they just look on database.
Saaamon:
kayvee:
I have to hand over my card and counterpart at the start of every shift, even though the office staff know me!Why? You should keep your driving license on you.
Sorry, I meant I hand it over for them to photocopy, they then give it back to me.
kayvee:
Saaamon:
kayvee:
I have to hand over my card and counterpart at the start of every shift, even though the office staff know me!Why? You should keep your driving license on you.
Sorry, I meant I hand it over for them to photocopy, they then give it back to me.
Why dont they just photocopy yesterdays photocopy? 
We’re professional drivers and should carry both parts of our license with us whilst working.
baby seal:
We’re professional drivers and should carry both parts of our license with us whilst working.
baby seal:
We’re professional drivers and should carry both parts of our license with us whilst working.
i don’t carry my licence with me. i’m NOT required to by law so i won’t. plod know who you should be before they stop you.
the only cards i carry when working are my digi and my Dcpc card because i have to.
roll on the day when we have one card for everything driving related, licence, digi tacho and Dcpc, it has been planned for years and truck drivers have been the proving ground for ID cards.
mucker85:
i don’t carry my licence with me. i’m NOT required to by law so i won’t. plod know who you should be before they stop you.roll on the day when we have one card for everything driving related, licence, digi tacho and Dcpc
Forget it, we will all be micro chipped before lond at birth negating the need for constant licensing and the like, it will be done automatically by satellite
hitch:
it may be company policy for you to carry both parts of your licence
it certainly isnt the law yet
as for companies checking licences every day a complete waste of time
i can see the point if your ad hoc agency in a place but for regular drivers
surely 3 month interval even 6 would be ok
It is law really. When you had the red book HGV licence years ago it was law that you carried it with you. That law has not actually been changed. Any endorsements would be in your red book but nowadays endorsements are shown on the paper part and not the card.
As an HGV driver I think you are obliged to carry both parts of your hgv licence by law even though the law is years old and is just one of those laws they forgot to change.
Giddy:
I got asked the other day in work to show my full (counterpart & card) licence, which I said no probs I’ll bring the paper in tomorrow. He replied “you should carry your paper part all the time”!! anyway after a couple of minutes conversation he said he wants me to now carry both parts of my licence.
Now am I right in thinking if I had both parts in my wallet and lets say I lost my wallet someone can use my licence to put they’re points on?? and for that reason I refused but he is saying I must!!!
Can anyone shed some light thanks
Gidion
No one can put points on your licence unless you are done, they have checks in place and trying to get points taken for you normally ends up in tears. The authorities are very switched on to it now, we have a regular court news column and it is as common as TV licence fines.
How does your driver licence number work?
WHEEL509158MA9UK
The first letters are taken from your surname. If you only have a 3 or 4 letter name they add a 99 or 9.
The first and last number is your year of birth, the second and third number is your month of birth. A woman has 5 added to the the second number.
The fourth and fifth number denote your day of birth.
The last 3 digits are computer check codes.
Well I found it interesting 
There is no legal requirement to carry your licence even as a vocational licence holder but failure to produce at the roadside is an offence. The 7 days your given by virtue of the ‘producer’ provides your legal defence.
Wheel Nut:
How does your driver licence number work?WHEEL509158MA9UK
The first letters are taken from your surname. If you only have a 3 or 4 letter name they add a 99 or 9.
The first and last number is your year of birth, the second and third number is your month of birth. A woman has 5 added to the the second number.
The fourth and fifth number denote your day of birth.The last 3 digits are computer check codes.
Well I found it interesting
The MA is the initials of your first name and middle name
bristolron:
hitch:
it may be company policy for you to carry both parts of your licence
it certainly isnt the law yet
as for companies checking licences every day a complete waste of time
i can see the point if your ad hoc agency in a place but for regular drivers
surely 3 month interval even 6 would be okIt is law really. When you had the red book HGV licence years ago it was law that you carried it with you. That law has not actually been changed. Any endorsements would be in your red book but nowadays endorsements are shown on the paper part and not the card.
As an HGV driver I think you are obliged to carry both parts of your hgv licence by law even though the law is years old and is just one of those laws they forgot to change.
Any driver, LGV or otherwise, is guilty of an offence if you cannot produce your licence when stopped, section 164 of The Road Traffic Act. However the first step in dealing with the offence for those who do not carry it is by means of a producer.
Is it law to carry your licence? No.
Do you commit an offence if you don’t carry it and are asked to produce it? Yes.
So, do you need to carry your licence? No, you can produce it later and the offence you have committed will go away. 
Road Traffic Act Section 164. Sections 1, 6 and 7 answer the is it law to carry your licence question.
164 Power of constables to require production of driving licence and in certain cases statement of date of birth.E+W+S
(1)Any of the following persons–(a)a person driving a motor vehicle on a road,
(b)a person whom a constable [F1or vehicle examiner] has reasonable cause to believe to have been the driver of a motor vehicle at a time when an accident occurred owing to its presence on a road,
(c)a person whom a constable [F1or vehicle examiner] has reasonable cause to believe to have committed an offence in relation to the use of a motor vehicle on a road, or
(d)a person–
(i)who supervises the holder of a provisional licence while the holder is driving a motor vehicle on a road, or
(ii)whom a constable [F1or vehicle examiner] has reasonable cause to believe was supervising the holder of a provisional licence while driving, at a time when an accident occurred owing to the presence of the vehicle on a road or at a time when an offence is suspected of having been committed by the holder of the provisional licence in relation to the use of the vehicle on a road,
must, on being so required by a constable [F1or vehicle examiner], produce his licence [F2and its counterpart] for examination, so as to enable the constable [F1or vehicle examiner] to ascertain the name and address of the holder of the licence, the date of issue, and the authority by which [F3they were] issued.
(2)[F4A person required by a constable under subsection (1) above to produce his licence] must in prescribed circumstances, on being so required by the constable, state his date of birth.
(3)If–
[F5(a)[F6a person is required to deliver his licence and its counterpart to the Secretary of State under section 63 of the Crime (International Co-operation) Act 2003 or ] the Secretary of State has–
(i)revoked a licence under section [F792,] 93 or 99 of this Act, or
(ii)revoked or suspended a large goods vehicle driver’s licence or a passenger-carrying vehicle driver’s licence under section 115 of this Act, and][F8or
(iii)served notice requiring the delivery of a licence to him in pursuance of section 99C [F9, 109B] or 115A of this Act,]
(b)the holder of the licence fails to deliver it [F10and its counterpart] to the Secretary of State [F11or the traffic commissioner, as the case may be] in pursuance of [F12section [F7 92,] 93, 99 [F1399C, [F14, 109B] 115A or 118][F15or section 63 of the Crime (International Co-operation) Act 2003] (as the case may be)],
a constable [F16or vehicle examiner] may require him to [F17produce the licence and its counterpart], and upon [F17their] being produced may seize [F18them] and deliver [F18them] to the Secretary of State.
(4)Where a constable has reasonable cause to believe that the holder of a licence, or any other person, has knowingly made a false statement for the purpose of obtaining the grant of the licence, the constable may require the holder of the licence to produce it [F19and its counterpart] to him.
[F20(4A)Where a constable to whom a provisional licence has been produced by a person driving a motor bicycle has reasonable cause to believe that the holder was not driving it as part of the training being provided on a training course for motor cyclists, the constable may require him to produce the prescribed certificate of completion of a training course for motor cyclists.]
(5)Where a person has been required under [F21section 26 or 27 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 [F22, section 40B of the Child Support Act 1991][F23, section 40 of the Crime (Sentences) Act 1997, section 146 or 147 of the Powers of Criminal Courts (Sentencing) Act 2000] or section 223A or 436A of the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1975] to produce a licence [F24and its counterpart] to the court and fails to do so, a constable may require him to produce [F25them] and, upon [F25their] being produced, may seize [F25them] and deliver [F25them] to the court.
(6)If a person required under the preceding provisions of this section to produce a licence [F26and its counterpart] or state his date of birth [F27or to produce his certificate of completion of a training course for motor cyclists]. . . fails to do so he is, subject to subsections (7) [F28to (8A)] below, guilty of an offence.
(7)Subsection (6) above does not apply where a person required on any occasion under the preceding provisions of this section to produce a licence [F29and its counterpart]–
(a)produces on that occasion a current receipt for the licence [F30and its counterpart] issued under section 56 of the M1Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 and, if required to do so, produces the licence [F30and its counterpart] in person immediately on [F31their] return at a police station that was specified on that occasion, or
(b)within seven days after that occasion produces such a receipt in person at a police station that was specified by him on that occasion and, if required to do so, produces the licence [F32and its counterpart] in person immediately on [F33their] return at that police station.
(8)In proceedings against any person for the offence of failing to produce a licence [F34and its counterpart] it shall be a defence for him to show that–
(a)within seven days after the production of his licence [F34and its counterpart] was required he produced [F35them] in person at a police station that was specified by him at the time [F36their] production was required, or
(b)he produced [F35them] in person there as soon as was reasonably practicable, or
(c)it was not reasonably practicable for him to produce [F35them] there before the day on which the proceedings were commenced,
and for the purposes of this subsection the laying of the information or, in Scotland, the service of the complaint on the accused shall be treated as the commencement of the proceedings.
[F37(8A)Subsection (8) above shall apply in relation to a certificate of completion of a training course for motor cyclists as it applies in relation to a licence.]
(9)Where in accordance with this section a person has stated his date of birth to a constable, the Secretary of State may serve on that person a notice in writing requiring him to provide the Secretary of State–
(a)with such evidence in that person’s possession or obtainable by him as the Secretary of State may specify for the purpose of verifying that date, and
(b)if his name differs from his name at the time of his birth, with a statement in writing specifying his name at that time,
and a person who knowingly fails to comply with a notice under this subsection is guilty of an offence.
(10)A notice authorised to be served on any person by subsection (9) above may be served on him by delivering it to him or by leaving it at his proper address or by sending it to him by post; and for the purposes of this subsection and section 7 of the Interpretation Act 1978 M2 in its application to this subsection the proper address of any person shall be his latest address as known to the person giving the notice.
[F38(11)In this section–
“licence” means a licence under Part III of this Act [F39, a Northern Ireland licence]or a Community licence,
*“vehicle examiner” means an examiner appointed under section 66A of this Act;
and “Community licence”, “counterpart”, [F40“Northern Ireland licence”,]“provisional licence”, “training course for motor cyclists” and, in relation to such a course, “the prescribed certificate of completion” have the same meanings as in Part III of this Act.]
Amendments (Textual)
F1Words in s. 164(1) inserted (1.7.1992) by Road Traffic Act 1991 (c. 40, SIF 107:1), s. 48, Sch. 4 para. 68(2); S.I. 1992/1286, art. 2, Sch.
F2Words inserted by S.I. 1990/144, regs. 2(1), 3, Sch. 1 para. 9(a)(i)(ii)
F3Words substituted by S.I. 1990/144, regs. 2(1), 3, Sch. 1 para. 9(a)(i)(ii)