I thought I may have got a bit of feedback ref my last post.
Well this will probably be my last post on the matter, maybe my last post ever.
I spoke with one of the drivers that was on my shift just to see what reaction they would give. Now I don’t this guy, never met him before yet on the shift we got on like a house on fire (metaphorically speaking).
I told him about the short fall in money and what my thoughts and possible action to remedy this.
He went ballistic and called me all the dirty beep, beep, etc.
Now I was running my “thoughts” past him and you’d have thought i’d ■■■■■■ him over. By the way this was not a face to face chat or I would just, well you know.
This told me what a bent company I had been working for. If this guy reacts like this there’s definitely something more to this than meets the eye.
Now I have a wife, 3 married sons and grandchildren if this idiot thinks I am going to keep my mouth shut because he may loose his job cause his company run bent, he has another thought coming.
Keeping quiet makes me GUILTY by association. If any of these ■■■■■■■■ caused a accident because someone’s screaming at them to run bent.
In all honesty you may want to think very carefully before going to VOSA, at the end of the day it was you who failed to use your driver card and you who had insufficient daily rest.
This may seem a bit unfair, but I doubt the fact that you was told not to use your driver card will carry much weight with the authorities, and the company are bound to say they never expected you to work over 15 hours.
Well I’ve been thinking about it and the simple fact is nobody is going fight my corner except me.
Your are right in saying it was my choice although being the new guy I didn’t want to upset the applecart on the first night. But your right I should have put my card in and kept myself legal.
The employer should explained at the beginning of the shift as I had never heard of jump jockey far less do it.
By doing what is proper ie Telling the TM that the job wasn’t for me rather me not just turning up was the correct move.
Did he keep to his ? No he didn’t and tried to fleece me.
Well that in my book is not on. It doesn’t matter whether it’s £5 or £500 he skinned me. I trusted him so on that note VOSA will be getting the lowdown.
And I am getting out of this corrupt industry.
That’s why it’s my last post…
Unless the main part of your business is NOT haulage ie Tesco or Asda for these guys their main business is retail.
Most not all but most companies, those small to 50 vehicle fleet cannot do it legal. Don’t say I’m wrong a lot of these companies couldn’t run a bloody bath. They are desperate when it comes to tendering.
Look at the hourly rates for a Professional Driver (shocking)and the cost of up keeping the licence.
explorer1234:
Well I’ve been thinking about it and the simple fact is nobody is going fight my corner except me.
Your are right in saying it was my choice although being the new guy I didn’t want to upset the applecart on the first night. But your right I should have put my card in and kept myself legal.
The employer should explained at the beginning of the shift as I had never heard of jump jockey far less do it.
By doing what is proper ie Telling the TM that the job wasn’t for me rather me not just turning up was the correct move.
Did he keep to his ? No he didn’t and tried to fleece me.
I agree with what you’re saying and can see that you wouldn’t want to start a new job on the wrong foot so to speak, I was just pointing out how VOSA might see it
VOSA I think may look into it and your right they may not… It will come down to how it is presented to them…
HMRC I have already spoke with them and told them That I was paid £80 and I am letting them know that as a PAYE Tax Payer the onus is on the employer to pay the necessaries.
That blows your bung out the water.
I may be perceived as a thick lorry driver by the general public but thick I ain’t.
Back to VOSA, VOSA have a duty of care and they cannot be seen lets say "skirting a round a complaint made by a concerned individual " or even looking the other way After all they are self funded organisation, and I am sure they wouldn’t want to miss a Golden Op handed to them on a plate so to speak.
VOSA will deffo be interested in a company that is routing drivers illegally - they will be more interested in the company than the drivers in a case like this providing the other drivers are honest with them
I can only speak for myself.
After running my displeasure past one of the drivers in the THREE MAN TEAM (for want of a better expression) and one of my previous posts covers that. I am on my own on this one, even though they have had a very high turnover of Drivers…I got told that on the shift.
Obviously I do not know the ins and outs of what VOSA see as Lawful and Unlawful.
If I was a VOSA Officer (if that’s the correct title) How would I handle stopping a truck with 2 men in it.
Do I ask if both are driving this unit or are both LGV Drivers…
How do they get to the nub of it.
The passenger could say “No I am here for ride” or I don’t have a LGV Licence or I don’t have a Digi card all sorts of permutation and that just opening the Truck Cab door.
I am sure there is a procedure but never having been stopped by VOSA in 14 years I don’t know what happens.
explorer1234:
VOSA I think may look into it and your right they may not… It will come down to how it is presented to them…
HMRC I have already spoke with them and told them That I was paid £80 and I am letting them know that as a PAYE Tax Payer the onus is on the employer to pay the necessaries.
That blows your bung out the water.
I may be perceived as a thick lorry driver by the general public but thick I ain’t.
Back to VOSA, VOSA have a duty of care and they cannot be seen lets say "skirting a round a complaint made by a concerned individual " or even looking the other way After all they are self funded organisation, and I am sure they wouldn’t want to miss a Golden Op handed to them on a plate so to speak.
I did say
Might
. And again I too did jump seat and was not happy and walked be it an agency job.
In all honesty fella I’m 100% with you.
explorer1234:
I think one of the advantages are, as the jump jockey the last part of the shift is not recorded giving me from Sothwhaites to the Depot part of my next daily rest before the next shift rather than starting this when I return to the Depot.
For example (A) reduced working day or (B) if you like starting daily rest period at Southwhaites which is 90 minutes to 2 hours before the actual shift finishes.
Which in turns allows the next shift start with very little chance of a daily rest issues.
which is totally illegal as you are not allowed to take a daily rest in a moving vehicle
I suppose the one way round this may be doing a manual entry at the beginning of the next shift. But then again what’s the point of this? As the card should have been inserted in the first place, doh …
Sorry I forgot officer, honest… aye right son, it’s people like you that give Hauliers a bad name. Follow the example of EXPLORER1234 sorry guys couldn’t help it …If wasn’t so blatant and stupid it would make you laugh or greet (Scottish for crying).
which is totally illegal as you are not allowed to take a daily rest in a moving vehicle
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The card is being pulled so as far as anyone’s concerned the daily rest starts at that point. The other driver continues as if he is solo. When the next shift start the machine ask Have been on break since last with drawl ? They lie and put YES.
Not to sound like a smart ■■■…its as simple as that.
Received today my P45 and the Balance of my wage, not a Kings ransom but what I was due none the less.
May I add if I had just left it, do you think for one moment they would have paid me ?
I am not gloating, as there is nothing to gloat about…I did the work and was entitled to be paid the PROPER amount, I should not have needed to chase them for it …
explorer1234:
Like most theories, they are just that “Theories”.
Trucking is not the “a ideal world” as their are so many outside influences.
So theory doesn’t work as 2 days are never the same.
The point that keeps coming up yet NOBODY is shouting from the rooftops about it. And that is the cards are only used when driving. They are NOT recording anything else.
When I am sitting in the passenger seat I have my card in my pocket but it should be in slot 2 recording POA. When its my turn to drive the machine asks Have you been on break/rest ? (or words similar) and I PUT YES.
The machine then records this, it records that I have been on break since I (stopped driving) ejected my card.
This has to be Wrong…
my boss tells us to put our cards in when we take over the truck so that you record your 10 mins checks and we dont take our cards out until we finnish and that could be 3 weeks or so we record everything we do double man jobs somtimes and we only do a 21 hr shift as your daily break has to be 9 hrs so it fits into a 30hr block as for breaks of 45mins you must be allowed to do want you want its your time to do as you please jumping in and out of trucks and waiting around isnt playing the game i wouldnt do it
or greet 
(Scottish for crying).