Meanwhile, in more pleasant news, I’ve just had an inflation busting pay rise so it’s not all doom and gloom 
The minimum wage is a great thing in principle. But it should be catagorised according to profession skills risks responsibility ect ect.
Not just one size fits all.
I would say £10:00 class one with £30 subsistance per night out . Im not saying this is what a class one driver is worth but it should be the minimum remuneration for a highly skilled professional .
I’ve said it before & I’ll say it again, one day soon we will ALL be on minimum wage.
The Race To The Bottom is not just a phrase used randomly by conspiracy theory wierdo’s, it is a very real socio/economic path that has so far been a lot more successful than the Brave New World or New World Order paths.
Wake up & smell the coffee, you work for the man & you work to subsist. You do as he says & if you don’t you suffer the consequences. You are too busy working for a living to make any real money. You don’t even fully understand what a comfortable existence actually is? If it wasn’t for your families you’d have very little to live for.
I believe it’s more than what some people on here think I work for.
Yet another thread bemoaning wages.
Do something about it, get off your lazy fat ■■■■■■■■■ and change it - its what the ballot box is for.
FFS!
fredthered:
Yet another thread bemoaning wages.Do something about it, get off your lazy fat [zb] and change it - its what the ballot box is for.
FFS!
A ballot box wouldn’t change this situation, there would still be companies out there offering gash wages.
Just cut those companies off, don’t buy products they supply.
As an old boss once said, " I’d love to pay all my drivers £10 per hour", but why should I when they will work for £6?
Waco:
Some poor bugger will be forced to take this by the DWP gustapo
I suspect that rate of £6.31 is an administrative error, possibly the employer didnt specify the wage when he sent the details to the job centre and some clerk at the centre entered the ‘default’ minimum wage figure.
A good case not to bother taking your driver CPC, at least you can get out of jobs like this. You can honestly tell the job centre your simply not qualified for the job. 
But seriously if we want to raises standards we need to get rid of idiot companies like this 
if you pay a sensible wage you will get better employees applying for your jobs simple. Hence safer roads?
chicane:
Silver_Surfer:
It’s in the middle of nowhere in Northern Ireland. Who in their right mind would let a bloke out in their expensive & potentially deadly asset for minimum wage■■?The same cowboys who employ the muppets who run into Dunragit bridge on an almost weekly basis
Arr, that’ll be them then.
alphonsohall:
Waco:
Some poor bugger will be forced to take this by the DWP gustapoI suspect that rate of £6.31 is an administrative error, possibly the employer didnt specify the wage when he sent the details to the job centre and some clerk at the centre entered the ‘default’ minimum wage figure.
I highly doubt it was an error, a wage description would be on par with a job description imo. Surly they would put negotiable or unspecified if it wasn’t known.
It on the border with the RoI, if it was the other side, minimum wage is €8.65.
ND888 BIGJ:
The minimum wage is a great thing in principle. But it should be catagorised according to profession skills risks responsibility ect ect.
Not just one size fits all.I would say £10:00 class one with £30 subsistance per night out . Im not saying this is what a class one driver is worth but it should be the minimum remuneration for a highly skilled professional .
A highly skilled professional earns a great deal more than £10 per hour, a class one driver is not a highly skilled professional. A class one driver is someone who has sat a driving test after a weeks course to enable him to do his job, a coach driver is much the same but maybe with 50 bodies aboard he is more highly skilled … or not?
A highly skilled professional has done the classwork and been through years of intensive training to allow him/her to do their jobs, unfortunately truck driving isn’t one of these jobs. The job is easy now as well, mostly the truck is loaded for you, they are automatic, you turn up start it up and drive. As basic as it sounds its true.
Though I agree that drivers should earn more than they do generally we are not a highly skilled bunch as much as we like to think we are. Skilled to an extent but most people are in whatever job they do - there is a skill involved. You read it on here everyday, been in a factory or wherever for umpteen years and need a change, they don’t look to train as doctors or opticians or even estate agents, truck driving is the choice because after a weeks course regardless of your background experience you can become a trucker.
NewLad:
alphonsohall:
Waco:
Some poor bugger will be forced to take this by the DWP gustapoI suspect that rate of £6.31 is an administrative error, possibly the employer didnt specify the wage when he sent the details to the job centre and some clerk at the centre entered the ‘default’ minimum wage figure.
I highly doubt it was an error, a wage description would be on par with a job description imo. Surely they would put negotiable or unspecified if it wasn’t known.
No, they dont always… I’ve previously enquired after lgv jobs where the rate on the job centre site was advertised as ‘minimum wage’ but on making inquiries the pay was actually a higher rate.
ND888 BIGJ:
The minimum wage is a great thing in principle. But it should be catagorised according to profession skills risks responsibility ect ect.
Not just one size fits all.I would say £10:00 class one with £30 subsistance per night out . Im not saying this is what a class one driver is worth but it should be the minimum remuneration for a highly skilled professional .
.wouldn"t want my wages cut down to this level
brados:
ND888 BIGJ:
The minimum wage is a great thing in principle. But it should be catagorised according to profession skills risks responsibility ect ect.
Not just one size fits all.I would say £10:00 class one with £30 subsistance per night out . Im not saying this is what a class one driver is worth but it should be the minimum remuneration for a highly skilled professional .
A highly skilled professional earns a great deal more than £10 per hour, a class one driver is not a highly skilled professional. A class one driver is someone who has sat a driving test after a weeks course to enable him to do his job, a coach driver is much the same but maybe with 50 bodies aboard he is more highly skilled … or not?
A highly skilled professional has done the classwork and been through years of intensive training to allow him/her to do their jobs, unfortunately truck driving isn’t one of these jobs. The job is easy now as well, mostly the truck is loaded for you, they are automatic, you turn up start it up and drive. As basic as it sounds its true.
Though I agree that drivers should earn more than they do generally we are not a highly skilled bunch as much as we like to think we are. Skilled to an extent but most people are in whatever job they do - there is a skill involved. You read it on here everyday, been in a factory or wherever for umpteen years and need a change, they don’t look to train as doctors or opticians or even estate agents, truck driving is the choice because after a weeks course regardless of your background experience you can become a trucker.
There’s a huge difference between somebody who has just acquired a C+E licence, and somebody who has a full ADR, clean C+E licence, 15 years experience, all DCPC modules completed, and can boast a CV with flats, fridges, containers, skips, tankers, curtainsiders, and low loaders with European experience too. The latter has become highly skilled and knowledgeable and would have the qualifications, confidence and acumen to drive anything (including a vehicle with a twin splitter gearbox) anywhere without incident.
And it isn’t just a weeks course. To acquire a C+E licence the process realistically takes several months from start to finish and costs the best part of at least £2500 to do, and that is passing both a C and C+E test first time. Add £500-700 and another week for an worthwhile ADR - which has exams.
£6.31 ph reminds me of this old Charlie Brooker spoof TV listing: tvgohome.com/020499.html (the programme at 1.15am best describes what working for that level of remuneration is. 
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And to think that the ‘ashley maddox’ thread has more input. Good heavens!
Would seem that the NMW is what the majority would like. Unless of course that means you.
ezydriver:
There’s a huge difference between somebody who has just acquired a C+E licence, and somebody who has a full ADR, clean C+E licence, 15 years experience, all DCPC modules completed, and can boast a CV with flats, fridges, containers, skips, tankers, curtainsiders, and low loaders with European experience too. The latter has become highly skilled and knowledgeable and would have the qualifications, confidence and acumen to drive anything (including a vehicle with a twin splitter gearbox) anywhere without incident.And it isn’t just a weeks course. To acquire a C+E licence the process realistically takes several months from start to finish and costs the best part of at least £2500 to do, and that is passing both a C and C+E test first time. Add £500-700 and another week for an worthwhile ADR - which has exams.
In the context of this job a driver is a driver and its min wage, I can add STGO to mine also but it doesn’t make me highly skilled, a driver is a driver, they are never listed under skilled, always under drivers.
In fact I think if it wasn’t for the EU we would still have just the one test, the day I passed mine there were two others who trained with me, it was a 3 day course, another bloke and a girl, the other bloke already had a class 2 (class 1,2 and 3 then) the girl didn’t even have a car licence, just a provisional, I passed along with this girl but the other bloke failed, doesn’t make her any more skilled than him though.
The days of showing up to an employer with “I have done this and that and been here and there and can drive a range change, twin splitter Allison auto or whatever” are largely gone. Most are now just trunking or RDC work.
The difference between skilled and highly skilled:
A mechanic is working on a big Harley when the receptionist asks him to come and explain what he has done to this customers bike, the customer is a famous heart surgeon, well says the mechanic we have stripped down the motor and re-lapped the valves then we took the sheen from the bores and rebuilt the motor and it runs like new again - not much different to what you do is it Doc?
Good point says the doctor but now try it with the motor running …
Djelmo:
Being in charge of a 40 tonne truck that in a moments notice can clear a motorway of people and kill most of them should be classed as a dangerous job as you have the lives of hundreds of people around you everyday in your hands…
The only people who understand that are the ones behind the wheel.