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UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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robroy:

rob22888:
If your starting at 7.30am & are genuinely concerned about not finishing till 10.30pm as a day man, your in the wrong job imo. Total ■■■■■■■■.

Why is he in the wrong job exactly. :unamused:
If I was on days I would feel the same. Apart from a 15 hour day being too bloody long anyway , (days or tramping whatever anybody says), who tf wants to be rocking back up at home around 11 o clock at night anyway,… just to start again 9 hours later, .unless you are some kind of live to work type. There is more to life than driving a [zb] truck.

Looks like I’m in the wrong job by your summing up also then mate, problem is I wish you had told me some 30 odd years ago.

Ironically the OP’s problem seems to be that he’s happy with up to 15 hour shifts. But he draws the line at starting at 7 am and finishing at around 10 pm instead of starting at around 5 am and finishing at around 8 pm. :open_mouth: :laughing: :laughing:

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Carryfast:

robroy:

rob22888:
If your starting at 7.30am & are genuinely concerned about not finishing till 10.30pm as a day man, your in the wrong job imo. Total ■■■■■■■■.

Why is he in the wrong job exactly. :unamused:
If I was on days I would feel the same. Apart from a 15 hour day being too bloody long anyway , (days or tramping whatever anybody says), who tf wants to be rocking back up at home around 11 o clock at night anyway,… just to start again 9 hours later, .unless you are some kind of live to work type. There is more to life than driving a [zb] truck.

Looks like I’m in the wrong job by your summing up also then mate, problem is I wish you had told me some 30 odd years ago.

Ironically the OP’s problem seems to be that he’s happy with up to 15 hour shifts. But he draws the line at starting at 7 am and finishing at around 10 pm instead of starting at around 5 am and finishing at around 8 pm. :open_mouth: [emoji38] [emoji38]

The only thing ironic here is you chipping in with a really usefull off topic comment [SMILING FACE WITH SMILING EYES] you obviously must of missed the word ‘potentially’ I used in my OP

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You may find that there is another, much more compelling business reason for this switch around which hasn’t occurred to you.

Agencies tend to classify anything before 0500 and after 2000 as night work, which will be charged to the operator at a premium. I think I am right in deducing from the posts here that the OP is a Stobart driver? If so, then the instruction will have come down from Carlisle or wherever William is based these days to cut down on premium rate agency workers and the jobs which guarantee standard rate will be given to the agency drivers while Stobarts own drivers will have to fill in the other runs.

Just a guess but I think I may be on to something here.

As for the keeping the agencies happy, you are not taking into account the view from the other side of the street. I have done ESL and Stobart Group work with two different agencies, both of whom were scared half to death at the prospect of ■■■■■■■ off the client. Stobarts stopping a particular agency could send quite a few out of business. Once again, William has concentrated a lot of the power in his hands, he knows it and you can guarantee he is willing to use it.

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nsmith1180:
You may find that there is another, much more compelling business reason for this switch around which hasn’t occurred to you.

Agencies tend to classify anything before 0500 and after 2000 as night work, which will be charged to the operator at a premium. I think I am right in deducing from the posts here that the OP is a Stobart driver? If so, then the instruction will have come down from Carlisle or wherever William is based these days to cut down on premium rate agency workers and the jobs which guarantee standard rate will be given to the agency drivers while Stobarts own drivers will have to fill in the other runs.

Just a guess but I think I may be on to something here.

As for the keeping the agencies happy, you are not taking into account the view from the other side of the street. I have done ESL and Stobart Group work with two different agencies, both of whom were scared half to death at the prospect of ■■■■■■■ off the client. Stobarts stopping a particular agency could send quite a few out of business. Once again, William has concentrated a lot of the power in his hands, he knows it and you can guarantee he is willing to use it.

Yes I believe that to be the case as per previous comments and what others have told me after posting the question… i was always under the impression that agency workers fill the times the full time drivers don’t really want and only get a day here and there which is what put me off signing up for an agency when I first passed my class 1 but it seems like it’s the other way round here at stobarts…

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Berty:

Carryfast:
Ironically the OP’s problem seems to be that he’s happy with up to 15 hour shifts. But he draws the line at starting at 7 am and finishing at around 10 pm instead of starting at around 5 am and finishing at around 8 pm. :open_mouth: [emoji38] [emoji38]

you obviously must of missed the word ‘potentially’ I used in my OP

I was replying to rob’s comments concerning 15 hour shifts and going by ‘not bothered’ about doing 15 hour shifts.IE ‘not bothered’ about maxing the hours but the guvnor has just changed start time by a couple of hours.What’s the problem.

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Carryfast:

Berty:

Carryfast:
Ironically the OP’s problem seems to be that he’s happy with up to 15 hour shifts. But he draws the line at starting at 7 am and finishing at around 10 pm instead of starting at around 5 am and finishing at around 8 pm. :open_mouth: [emoji38] [emoji38]

you obviously must of missed the word ‘potentially’ I used in my OP

I was just going by ‘not bothered’ about doing 15 hour shifts.IE ‘not bothered’ about maxing the hours but the guvnor has just changed start time by a couple of hours.What’s the problem.

I’m not bothered really if one comes along I’ll do it but starting at 7 means I won’t get home till after 10pm and won’t get to see my kids before they go to bed and i won’t get long with the wife before I’m falling asleep watching a repeat of eastenders [SMILING FACE WITH SMILING EYES]… can you see where I’m going Mr carryfast? I hope this unnecessary in-depth analysis on the impact of start times suffices you

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robroy:

rob22888:
If your starting at 7.30am & are genuinely concerned about not finishing till 10.30pm as a day man, your in the wrong job imo. Total ■■■■■■■■.

Why is he in the wrong job exactly. :unamused:
If I was on days I would feel the same. Apart from a 15 hour day being too bloody long anyway , (days or tramping whatever anybody says), who tf wants to be rocking back up at home around 11 o clock at night anyway,… just to start again 9 hours later, .unless you are some kind of live to work type. There is more to life than driving a [zb] truck.

Looks like I’m in the wrong job by your summing up also then mate, problem is I wish you had told me some 30 odd years ago.

I think you may have misunderstood my post rob, either that or I worded it badly, I was making the same point as you.

If you start at 7.30am and genuinely feel although there is a good chance you’ll be expected to work till 10.30pm, then your in the wrong job (working for the wrong firm).

It’s total ■■■■■■■■ that so many guys in this game have to clammer to start work in the middle of the night, just to be able to get home for their tea.

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Berty:
i was always under the impression that agency workers fill the times the full time drivers don’t really want and only get a day here and there which is what put me off signing up for an agency when I first passed my class 1 but it seems like it’s the other way round here at stobarts…

I don’t drive at Stobarts on agency, never have, and for the 20 odd years I’ve done agency work I’ve started at the same time as permanent drivers and I’ve had full weeks pretty much all the time I’ve wanted them. I’ve not had to take a day off where I am on agency because there wasn’t anything for me for the last four months and my start times are the same as any of the company’s day men. At the moment I’m being told what unit I’ve got for the whole of the following week and during Howdens busiest period when they hire in more trucks I’m going to be assigned my own truck for 6 to 8 weeks.

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Unless it’s changed there these days the trucks were just Fleet spec motors ,so all this agency get the best trucks is rubbish .
As for the regular driver gets what they don’t want , again rubbish , if we wanted o/t they just tipexed agency drivers name off list , they were given what shifts wernt covered by regular drivers , holidays , sickness etc
All this agency get what they want , ask the agency drivers who because they’d been in full time for years thought they were part of the furniture , then they were told too take there trucks too lutterworth and never heard of again , other than the way they’d been treated they’d never work for them again :unamused:

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rob22888:
If you start at 7.30am and genuinely feel although there is a good chance you’ll be expected to work till 10.30pm, then your in the wrong job (working for the wrong firm).

It’s total ■■■■■■■■ that so many guys in this game have to clammer to start work in the middle of the night, just to be able to get home for their tea.

The OP seems to be happy to max out the hours regs but then moans about the logical results of that thinking.Rather than do something about it by realising that it’s the 15 hour shifts which are the problem not the change in start times. :unamused:

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rob22888:

robroy:

rob22888:
If your starting at 7.30am & are genuinely concerned about not finishing till 10.30pm as a day man, your in the wrong job imo. Total ■■■■■■■■.

Why is he in the wrong job exactly. :unamused:
If I was on days I would feel the same. Apart from a 15 hour day being too bloody long anyway , (days or tramping whatever anybody says), who tf wants to be rocking back up at home around 11 o clock at night anyway,… just to start again 9 hours later, .unless you are some kind of live to work type. There is more to life than driving a [zb] truck.

Looks like I’m in the wrong job by your summing up also then mate, problem is I wish you had told me some 30 odd years ago.

I think you may have misunderstood my post rob, either that or I worded it badly, I was making the same point as you.

If you start at 7.30am and genuinely feel although there is a good chance you’ll be expected to work till 10.30pm, then your in the wrong job (working for the wrong firm).

It’s total ■■■■■■■■ that so many guys in this game have to clammer to start work in the middle of the night, just to be able to get home for their tea.

I always was too bloody quick to jump :blush: you agree with me and I have a go at you. :unamused:
Yeh I picked you up wrong mate…sorry. :smiley:

I’ve never been a fan of a 15 hour day, and nothing to do with laziness either.

There should be no need to work a day and a half + working day, especially when in real terms, and in most cases only get a days wage for it, not to mention the anti social aspect of it that you mention.

These tossers in offices who set these rules for us, and who start at 9am, do you think they would be willing to work up to midnight 3 times a week? …No they have more sense.

What does annoy me more are brainwashed drivers who know nothing else but the 15 hour thing, look upon it as a target, and the 2 13s and 11 offs as something they have to…quote ‘’ get out of the way’’ and say crap like ‘‘It’s the nature of the job, if you don’t like it you are in the wrong job’’ or… ‘‘it’s always been like that’’

It is only so because it has been forced on us by those tossers in offices I mentioned.

The news to those drivers is it has NOT always been like that. :bulb: it was once a 12.5 hour spreadover, which is enough for anybody imo, and if it was the same today coupled with a proper time and a half after 40 wage structure, the job would be better.

But how will this ever come about if drivers are of the opinions that I have pointed out, and are happy to work a day and a half for a days pay, and boast about the ‘‘good wage’’ they are on …for 70+ hours. :unamused:

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robroy:
The news to those drivers is it has NOT always been like that. :bulb: it was once a 12.5 hour spreadover, which is enough for anybody imo, and if it was the same today coupled with a proper time and a half after 40 wage structure, the job would be better.

Not forgetting that those same drivers are often also the ones who say they don’t want to go back to domestic regs,let alone the common interpretation of them of 12 hours at the most,on the basis of ‘sufficient rest’ and extra breaks booked as driving or duty on the log book without the guvnor having a clue,because EU regs supposedly stop guvnors taking the pish.You couldn’t make it up :unamused: