Ive had a couple of jobs over the years that have been salaried and the one thing they all had in common was max hrs ? now when I have had hourly pay the hours have been 9-10 hrs a day which is ok but your never going to get rich and getting Saturday overtime was like finding gold , any way the point I am trying to get to is when taking a job that’s salaried must we assume that it will be max hours every week ?
has an example I will take my last job, now on paper it looked quite a good deal £625 pw they said ? but when I examined it a little closer it was a bit of a con ! example
£25,000 salary + £50 per week various bonuses + night out allowance now when you break this down it all starts been a bit pathetic
£25000 divided by 52 weeks =£480.76 before tax, now we have to assume we will be doing max hrs because the boss will expect it and its what ive signed up to never once thinking I actually would but I did anyway 3x15 + 3x13 = 84 now divide my weekly wage before tax by this and it gives me a massive total of £5.72 ph now I know there is the bonus and night out allowance but its not guaranteed so you have to work out your wage before these so have I been working for less than minimum wage ?
I myself in future will be studying my salary in more detail before signing on the dotted line and will always assume I will be working max hours when been paid a salary.
Salary or day rate in transport only means one thing, bend over & prepare to be boarded, unless you work for me, in that case I just can’t be arsed working it out so just pay you a decent touch.
Silver_Surfer:
Salary or day rate in transport only means one thing, bend over & prepare to be boarded, unless you work for me, in that case I just can’t be arsed working it out so just pay you a decent touch.
the smaller firms never do seem to pay salary its the bigger firms that want to make their mark up at the drivers expense , but I sign a contract and I will see the job through until I feel its time to move on, im not one of those that take a job and spend all their time moaning about it but never leave if you know what I mean …
I’m salaried and i enjoy the fact that i know exactly how much is going in that account every month, and we are not really pushed too hard on our hours.
Firstly, in your example you say 3x15 and 3x13. If you are doing 6 days for that dough you are a mug. If not, get your casio back out of the drawer. Secondly, everyone wants what’s good for them. If you’re on salary, you want your feet up after 8 hours, boss wants blood sweat and tears for another 7. When it’s hours, boss wants a blue arsed fly for 8 hrs, you want to do as little as possible for as long as possible. The answer is find a job like mine. Salaried for 12 hrs a day on 500 per week. If we do a 15 it’s an extra 25 quid. I know where I stand, my bills get paid, but I don’t work too hard
bald bloke:
I’m salaried and i enjoy the fact that i know exactly how much is going in that account every month, and we are not really pushed too hard on our hours.
then I must assume your not doing general haulage bald bloke ?
On salary will usually mean the company will want the employee to do all the legal hours possible to get the best return for their outlay
If everyone who gets offered salary works out the maximum then assumes they will always be on that then they can decide wether to take the job or not
Work out the max legal time per two weeks on EU regs then divide in half
Using various annual/monthly/weekly set wages then work out the various hourly rates so you have a list of many
That means you can give an instant yes or no at interview
Its not an exact science but it will give you a very good idea of what they are actually offering on a hourly basis for every hour
I’m salaried and don’t work max hours and I’m employed by one of the biggest companies. Infact its a hell of a lot more pay than my previous company that paid hourly and maxed your hours and rest. (13’s 15’s, 5 and 6 day)
OVLOV JAY:
Firstly, in your example you say 3x15 and 3x13. If you are doing 6 days for that dough you are a mug. If not, get your casio back out of the drawer. Secondly, everyone wants what’s good for them. If you’re on salary, you want your feet up after 8 hours, boss wants blood sweat and tears for another 7. When it’s hours, boss wants a blue arsed fly for 8 hrs, you want to do as little as possible for as long as possible. The answer is find a job like mine. Salaried for 12 hrs a day on 500 per week. If we do a 15 it’s an extra 25 quid. I know where I stand, my bills get paid, but I don’t work too hard
but jobs like yours jay are not run of the mill and im not complaining about it I knew the rate when I started its more of a warning to other unsuspecting souls that if you are salaried expect to be working max hrs and work out your hourly pay based on that …
ROG:
On salary will usually mean the company will want the employee to do all the legal hours possible to get the best return for their outlay
If everyone who gets offered salary works out the maximum then assumes they will always be on that then they can decide wether to take the job or not
Work out the max legal time per two weeks on EU regs then divide in half
Using various annual/monthly/weekly set wages then work out the various hourly rates so you have a list of many
That means you can give an instant yes or no at interview
Its not an exact science but it will give you a very good idea of what they are actually offering on a hourly basis for every hour
thank you rog you put into a few lines what I was trying to get across about salaried pay and general haulage …
My old man works for boots in nottingham and is on a salary for a 48 hour week. He claims some are 50ish some are 40ish but he’s defo not working over his 48 hour week on average. There are days when the planners will stitch you up but that happens I’m almost all transport jobs. He also gets told to do one after 7.75 hours some days and goes home early. Think it’s 26/27k a year and includes sat or a sun you choose when you take the job.
bald bloke:
I’m salaried and i enjoy the fact that i know exactly how much is going in that account every month, and we are not really pushed too hard on our hours.
then I must assume your not doing general haulage bald bloke ?
Isn’t it illegal for an employer/slave driver to pay less than the minimum wage these days? IMO the national minimum wage of £6.31per hr should be after deductions
tommy t:
Isn’t it illegal for an employer/slave driver to pay less than the minimum wage these days?
but if your salaried tommy then when does it become illegal ? do you work out your hours the mid week tell them their breaking the law .
I know what you mean, But you get or should get a wage slip each week which should show the basic rate and any tax free bonuses ect,
You have your charts for the week ( & upto the previous 28 days) or the info is stored on your digital tacho drivers card ,The tachos should show the bulk of what hrs you have worked in that week,If your tramping ,you are at your place of work from when you start to when you return at the end of the week
So you would have to work several weeks recording the number of hours worked for that rate of pay, if always expected to do max hrs then is becomes more obvious that they normally operate in the same way
But the company may if shewd enough try and get away with saying they don’t pay for breaks ect, in a bid to reduce the number of hours that the salary covers = a higher hourly rate
So as an example deduct 8x 45 mins breaks from the weekly total of 84hrs = 78 divide by 481= £6.16, I’m sure they can easliy increase that by another 15p
Wasn’t it one of the main purposes of the unions to stop this sort of thing (low wages ect) ? Yes i know they maybe where a little too powerfull at one time, but what we have now is a government that is too powerfull and people are getting treated like peasants again ,
I can remember years ago having a arguement with the boss over how the introduction of a salary was just a way they could cap your wage each month , i challenged him to pay me hourly so he said ok i’ll pay you( normal pay rate) for every hr that you spend driving only, lol, at the time i was doing euro work mostly double manned , you can guess how i relpied to that
Any salary should be based on average hours over so many weeks, work to many get time of don’t work enough do more days it’s the only way both parties no
We have the best of both worlds. We’re effectively salaried: 40 “flat rate” hours + 5 hours at time and a half guaranteed every week, plus a night shift allowance. Anything we do over 45 hours is paid at time and a half, but we’re often all done after six or seven hours a night and still get paid the full whack. It’s not the best rate in the world, but it’s enough, and it’s regular money.
It’s good to see you have taken the time to work it out, £5.31 an hour is terrible, the problem is some drivers think being away all week and getting £450 is good money.
I consider myself to be extremely fortunate to live somewhere were decent money can be earned, I know it’s not possible for everyone to get work outside of general haulage but £5.31 that is shocking.
mike68:
It’s good to see you have taken the time to work it out, £5.31 an hour is terrible, the problem is some drivers think being away all week and getting £450 is good money.
I consider myself to be extremely fortunate to live somewhere were decent money can be earned, I know it’s not possible for everyone to get work outside of general haulage but £5.31 that is shocking.
+1 And those rates are before any deductions for tax & nic’s so is around £100 less take home before any N/O allowences /bounuses
Less than £400.00 per week for all the resposibilties that go with the job, wages as low as that are an insult , Is it little wonder there are so many drivers not doing the DCPC , As i said the Nat Min Wage of £6.31PH should be what you take home after tax & nic’s, I hope the op can claim WTC
Infact its a hell of a lot more pay than my previous company that paid hourly and maxed your hours and rest. (13’s 15’s, 5 and 6 day)