i would like to know how this company wabbereres makes any money everyweek there trucks are parked in laybyes on the a45 coventry area some parked for days and i mean days , no toilets the laybyes are a mess after they leave awfull something has to be done. i bet the drivers dont get paid while they are parked up,
So Orys! If what your saying is true about the Polish test s true! Why are they in so many cases so terrible reversing? I’m not saying all! But so many give up and hand over to someone else! 
e.g P&G Thurrock!
the major difference between a british driver, and a european driver is, the european driver dosn’t always cut his teeth on domestic work first. he may only tip and load a trailer once a week. so he has to reverse maybe 100 times per year. we however don’t jump straight onto european work. we tip and load every day. so that gives us 500% more reversing experience per year.
the same goes for the canadian, and american drivers. they wouldn’t stand a chance over here.
limeyphil:
the major difference between a british driver, and a european driver is, the european driver dosn’t always cut his teeth on domestic work first. he may only tip and load a trailer once a week. so he has to reverse maybe 100 times per year. we however don’t jump straight onto european work. we tip and load every day. so that gives us 500% more reversing experience per year.
the same goes for the canadian, and american drivers. they wouldn’t stand a chance over here.
Jesus Phil! That’s the most sensible thing you’ve ever said! 
Personally I wouldn’t have a clue how to drive onto or off the train as I’ve never done it before and probably never will. Same as anything, practice makes perfect.
Driving onto the train is easy and as far as I’m concerned if you can’t do it you should hand in your licence as you’re clearly a cretin that shouldn’t drive a Reliant Robin, far less a truck. Just my humble opinion.
Bacon Sandwich:
limeyphil:
the major difference between a british driver, and a european driver is, the european driver dosn’t always cut his teeth on domestic work first. he may only tip and load a trailer once a week. so he has to reverse maybe 100 times per year. we however don’t jump straight onto european work. we tip and load every day. so that gives us 500% more reversing experience per year.
the same goes for the canadian, and american drivers. they wouldn’t stand a chance over here.Jesus Phil! That’s the most sensible thing you’ve ever said!
Personally I wouldn’t have a clue how to drive onto or off the train as I’ve never done it before and probably never will. Same as anything, practice makes perfect.
Pretty much agree with what Phil said, when I first started driving truck I made some right hash ups of getting onto loading bays etc. But I was doing these type of manourves several times a day and with practice and advice from those with experience I got better.
Now 20 years later and on a good day I can make a passable attempt to look like I actually know what I doing. 
As for the train, well had my first couple of goes at that this year, not as bad as many would make out, but still needs a bit of care.
muckles:
As for the train, well had my first couple of goes at that this year, not as bad as many would make out, but still needs a bit of care.
Totally agree but any slow maouvre driving needs a little care, whether going forwards or backwords
pops powell:
i would like to know how this company wabbereres makes any money everyweek there trucks are parked in laybyes on the a45 coventry area some parked for days and i mean days , no toilets the laybyes are a mess after they leave awfull something has to be done. i bet the drivers dont get paid while they are parked up,
The last line of that just might have answered youre own question.
limeyphil:
the same goes for the canadian, and american drivers. they wouldn’t stand a chance over here.
Well, if British drivers gets 500% more experience per year, that would mean that they are really terrible learners. I am in Czech Republic just now, and I haven’t seen a single driver who had problems with reversing yet.
I still do think that Polish training is much more demanding (at least when we talk about maneuvring) and reasons given by you are perfectly good explanation of why you more often see drivers who are unexperienced…
Here as we can see from this forum youngsters can’t even find 7,5 t job, its not uncommon in Poland that 21 yo gets his first job in big international company.
When I was in the UK over the winter I got asked by a double manned Warberer’s truck to reverse into the shed at Iggesund in Workington. Granted it is very tight but they were shunting in and out in a straight line for at least 30 minutes until one of them comes to the back of my trailer where I’m rolling up the internal straps. Neither were young guys but obviously both were very inexperienced as I got it in with one shunt and I’m far from the worlds best truck driver when going backwards!
As for British drivers being better trained. What a joke, we get trained for 3 or 4 days to drive forwards like a drone with the most minimal training in reverse and then get dispatched to the real world or rdc’s and blind side reversing, all of which are a world away from the dog leg reverse manouver taught and tested in the driving test. Inexperienced drivers of any nationality will struggle with blind slide reversing, I would struggle with it even now for that matter and will always chose to drive down the road and turn around to back in on my good side if its an option before risking making a complete balls up of a blind side.
robinhood_1984:
When I was in the UK over the winter I got asked by a double manned Warberer’s truck to reverse into the shed at Iggesund in Workington. Granted it is very tight but they were shunting in and out in a straight line for at least 30 minutes until one of them comes to the back of my trailer where I’m rolling up the internal straps. Neither were young guys but obviously both were very inexperienced as I got it in with one shunt and I’m far from the worlds best truck driver when going backwards!As for British drivers being better trained. What a joke, we get trained for 3 or 4 days to drive forwards like a drone with the most minimal training in reverse and then get dispatched to the real world or rdc’s and blind side reversing, all of which are a world away from the dog leg reverse manouver taught and tested in the driving test. Inexperienced drivers of any nationality will struggle with blind slide reversing, I would struggle with it even now for that matter and will always chose to drive down the road and turn around to back in on my good side if its an option before risking making a complete balls up of a blind side.
There is nowt fresh in that. I have sat in Ulverston for two days wondering what they was on about 
Tha knows marra, thee mus yonder stake aim fo, an afore ye hit yon snicket chuck some right hand doon, aim for yonder happings eh?
Can you really expect some marra frev Ungarn to reckon what he wants?
Aah the memories of those early days with only a 12m trailer and 4 axles on the lot. That Sainsburys underground loading bay in Plymouth was my worst nightmare 
Reversing between pillars and around the managers car, whilst missing the skips and roll cages littered around.
Given a bit of practice, 6 axles and a 13m trailer I could land in one movement. I spent quite a bit of time trying to advise the new guys, like I had been shown by others. I really felt for the those guys as they would hang around and then watch me get the bigger unit in the same space. Just how I used to watch 
The Train turned out to be a lot easier once you watched a few others techniques. That was some of the pleasure of the job for me, to get over the loading wagon and onto the far platform bringing the fridge back in line just in time to enter the arch of the carriage without stopping. You could see from the front of the carriages that quite a few people had some challenges with it.
Those carriages must be quite a shape by now.
Only this morning a Bulgarian rig got stuck in our road at the 90 left. A neighbour and I, both ex-drivers had to help get him turned around whilst the police dealt with the damage he had already caused.
Made me realise how lucky I had been not to have the same problems at some of the place I used to deliver in Europe.
toby1234abc:
A driver from Wabberers was asked to get on a bay to load coffee,due to the postitions of other trucks on the bays,he had to do a blind reverse,the driver looked very young,and seemed very anxious,he was having problems to reverse,the unit and trailer was all over the place,susies about to go pop,some colleagues stepped in to assist,and got it on the bay.It is not easy to blind reverse,
robinhood_1984:
When I was in the UK over the winter I got asked by a double manned Warberer’s truck to reverse into the shed at Iggesund in Workington. Granted it is very tight but they were shunting in and out in a straight line for at least 30 minutes until one of them comes to the back of my trailer where I’m rolling up the internal straps. Neither were young guys but obviously both were very inexperienced as I got it in with one shunt and I’m far from the worlds best truck driver when going backwards!
promote-cee.com/business/wab … n-hungary/
kormany.hu/en/ministry-for-n … and-borsod
hope this will helps 
polish lad in the werhouse where i work or on 4 on 4 off went home on his 4 off and came back with a c+e!!!
chester1:
polish lad in the werhouse where i work or on 4 on 4 off went home on his 4 off and came back with a c+e!!!
Why !!!?
When I was about to do my PCV license here in Scotland, they told me that because I drive trucks already I might need only one day of training before going to the test…
Driving onto the train is easy and as far as I’m concerned if you can’t do it you should hand in your licence as you’re clearly a cretin that shouldn’t drive a Reliant Robin, far less a truck. Just my humble opinion.I’m a firm believer in the “ten percentile”,
10% of mankind are idiots,
10% of car drivers are idiots,
10% of truck drivers are idiots,
10% of a companies drivers are idiots,
10% of TNUK forum users are…
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then i suggest you keep your opinions to yourself, never heard so much ■■■■■■■■ in my life.
truckyboy:
then i suggest you keep your opinions to yourself, never heard so much [zb] in my life.
…said someone who cannot even quote properly
pops powell:
i bet the drivers dont get paid while they are parked up,
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Correct. At a company like waberer’s they are paid per km. It’s illegal, but that’s how it works.
If you drive a 7,5t as a beginner, you’ll get paid around 300 GBP per month, and work from 5 am to 8pm (or longer).
Or you can try waberer’s, stuggle with a blind reverse now and then, but earn 1000 GBP.
What would you do?
cilger:
pops powell:
i bet the drivers dont get paid while they are parked up,
Correct. At a company like waberer’s they are paid per km. It’s illegal,
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Why do you think is illegal? Maybe it is in Britain, but it does not matter that its illegal elsewhere…