In or Out- the EU referendum mega thread

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Stanley Knife:
It’s arguable whether Varoufakis was pushed or jumped, nevertheless he was despised by the EU apparatchiks as he wouldn’t bend to their needs - whereas Tsipras bent over and took it like a good little boy.

Varafoukis had a plan - he just wasn’t allowed to go through with it, 'cos PM said “That’s against EU law - can’t possibly do that!”

I would imagine that Britain declaring war upon Germany as a result of their invasion of Poland was “Against the Law” as well - not just in ■■■■ Germany either!

A nation asserts itself when it says of another nation’s laws “F— that!”

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I sincerely believe that if the remain crowd win then them cretins over the water in Brussels will hammer us hard for even having the temerity to even think about leaving, so in my opinion for what it’s worth we now HAVE to vote OUT otherwise things will get so much worse for us. :frowning:

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Rog270:
Cannot believe that the Labour party says the only way to protect workers wages and conditions is to remain in Europe…It’s there mandate from their inception to protect the working man…So why are they so pro - Europe…and may I say come 36 hrs .and I believe,and hope we leave watch the cracks appear… Sweden… Denmark…? Holland.will follow…So Merkel how will you hold together a union of 2nd rate Country’s…who take,but don’t contribute… Germany tried though force to control Europe…and failed.Looks like they will fail though stealth…God bless all truckers.our lot is not a happy one

So, yes indeed, the Labour party was created to protect workers rights.

As a teenager in the 1970s i can well remember the power cuts.

I can remember the rubbish piling up in our city centres.

I can remember being sent home from school due to there being no oil available to heat the building.

I can remember my Mum and Dad struggling to feed four kids as money was tight, due to a 3 day week.

I can remember in late 1978, the year I started work, the buses suddenly stopped running due to lightning strikes by bus crews.

I can remember certain companies struggling to receive goods because lorry drivers were on strike.

I can remember the crappy cars which were made in Britain, by a British company which was always on strike.

I can remember the dirty and smokey air from our over polluting vehicles and coal fires.

I can remember when TV closed down at 10.30 due to industrial action.

ITV was off air for most or the summer of 1979.

I can remember a different way of life to what we have now.

Let’s not look back with rose tinted beer goggles and say " it was much better then" No it wasn’t.

And I can remember my Mum being unsure about which way to vote in the 1975 referendum. My Dad, quite rightly, persuaded her to vote IN.

And you know what? Throughout my working life and that of my children, things have only improved whilst in the EU.

All the workers rights and better services and sale of goods act and everything we hold sacred today is due to the EU.

Did WW2 teach us nothing?

So to the staunch “Labour” supporters…the UK has changed and we can not and must not revert back to a 1970s style economy or lifestyle.

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Butcher:

Rog270:
Cannot believe that the Labour party says the only way to protect workers wages and conditions is to remain in Europe…It’s there mandate from their inception to protect the working man…So why are they so pro - Europe…and may I say come 36 hrs .and I believe,and hope we leave watch the cracks appear… Sweden… Denmark…? Holland.will follow…So Merkel how will you hold together a union of 2nd rate Country’s…who take,but don’t contribute… Germany tried though force to control Europe…and failed.Looks like they will fail though stealth…God bless all truckers.our lot is not a happy one

So, yes indeed, the Labour party was created to protect workers rights.

As a teenager in the 1970s i can well remember the power cuts.

I can remember the rubbish piling up in our city centres.

I can remember being sent home from school due to there being no oil available to heat the building.

I can remember my Mum and Dad struggling to feed four kids as money was tight, due to a 3 day week.

I can remember in late 1978, the year I started work, the buses suddenly stopped running due to lightning strikes by bus crews.

I can remember certain companies struggling to receive goods because lorry drivers were on strike.

I can remember the crappy cars which were made in Britain, by a British company which was always on strike.

I can remember the dirty and smokey air from our over polluting vehicles and coal fires.

I can remember when TV closed down at 10.30 due to industrial action.

ITV was off air for most or the summer of 1979.

I can remember a different way of life to what we have now.

Let’s not look back with rose tinted beer goggles and say " it was much better then" No it wasn’t.

And I can remember my Mum being unsure about which way to vote in the 1975 referendum. My Dad, quite rightly, persuaded her to vote IN.

And you know what? Throughout my working life and that of my children, things have only improved whilst in the EU.

All the workers rights and better services and sale of goods act and everything we hold sacred today is due to the EU.

Did WW2 teach us nothing?

So to the staunch “Labour” supporters…the UK has changed and we can not and must not revert back to a 1970s style economy or lifestyle.

Guess your voting to "remain then butcher? Great post, i have no wish to live that way. I’m voting in.

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Butcher:

Rog270:
Cannot believe that the Labour party says the only way to protect workers wages and conditions is to remain in Europe…It’s there mandate from their inception to protect the working man…So why are they so pro - Europe…and may I say come 36 hrs .and I believe,and hope we leave watch the cracks appear… Sweden… Denmark…? Holland.will follow…So Merkel how will you hold together a union of 2nd rate Country’s…who take,but don’t contribute… Germany tried though force to control Europe…and failed.Looks like they will fail though stealth…God bless all truckers.our lot is not a happy one

So, yes indeed, the Labour party was created to protect workers rights.

As a teenager in the 1970s i can well remember the power cuts.

I can remember the rubbish piling up in our city centres.

I can remember being sent home from school due to there being no oil available to heat the building.

I can remember my Mum and Dad struggling to feed four kids as money was tight, due to a 3 day week.

I can remember in late 1978, the year I started work, the buses suddenly stopped running due to lightning strikes by bus crews.

I can remember certain companies struggling to receive goods because lorry drivers were on strike.

I can remember the crappy cars which were made in Britain, by a British company which was always on strike.

I can remember the dirty and smokey air from our over polluting vehicles and coal fires.

I can remember when TV closed down at 10.30 due to industrial action.

ITV was off air for most or the summer of 1979.

I can remember a different way of life to what we have now.

Let’s not look back with rose tinted beer goggles and say " it was much better then" No it wasn’t.

And I can remember my Mum being unsure about which way to vote in the 1975 referendum. My Dad, quite rightly, persuaded her to vote IN.

And you know what? Throughout my working life and that of my children, things have only improved whilst in the EU.

All the workers rights and better services and sale of goods act and everything we hold sacred today is due to the EU.

Did WW2 teach us nothing?

So to the staunch “Labour” supporters…the UK has changed and we can not and must not revert back to a 1970s style economy or lifestyle.

Yep, things are definitely better now.

Employers can sack you without warning or reason.

Zero hour contracts aplenty, they’re for the benefit of the worker don’t you know.

Staff working whilst ill because they’re too scared to take a day off sick.

Employment contracts ripped up with just a 90 day consultation (which translates to “this is what we’re offering, like it or lump it”). I’ve personally had that one twice, by the same company within five years.

Over reliance of agency staff by employers.

Continual race to the bottom for pay and conditions, aided by our eastern European cousins. I’m not blaming them by the way, I too would move abroad for a better quality of life.

Whether you care to know or not, I’ve voted out.

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Do some people really believe that bringing up things from the 1970’s is really relevant to the vote today?
Unbelievable!

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vikingpete:

Butcher:

Rog270:
Cannot believe that the Labour party says the only way to protect workers wages and conditions is to remain in Europe…It’s there mandate from their inception to protect the working man…So why are they so pro - Europe…and may I say come 36 hrs .and I believe,and hope we leave watch the cracks appear… Sweden… Denmark…? Holland.will follow…So Merkel how will you hold together a union of 2nd rate Country’s…who take,but don’t contribute… Germany tried though force to control Europe…and failed.Looks like they will fail though stealth…God bless all truckers.our lot is not a happy one

So, yes indeed, the Labour party was created to protect workers rights.

As a teenager in the 1970s i can well remember the power cuts.

I can remember the rubbish piling up in our city centres.

I can remember being sent home from school due to there being no oil available to heat the building.

I can remember my Mum and Dad struggling to feed four kids as money was tight, due to a 3 day week.

I can remember in late 1978, the year I started work, the buses suddenly stopped running due to lightning strikes by bus crews.

I can remember certain companies struggling to receive goods because lorry drivers were on strike.

I can remember the crappy cars which were made in Britain, by a British company which was always on strike.

I can remember the dirty and smokey air from our over polluting vehicles and coal fires.

I can remember when TV closed down at 10.30 due to industrial action.

ITV was off air for most or the summer of 1979.

I can remember a different way of life to what we have now.

Let’s not look back with rose tinted beer goggles and say " it was much better then" No it wasn’t.

And I can remember my Mum being unsure about which way to vote in the 1975 referendum. My Dad, quite rightly, persuaded her to vote IN.

And you know what? Throughout my working life and that of my children, things have only improved whilst in the EU.

All the workers rights and better services and sale of goods act and everything we hold sacred today is due to the EU.

Did WW2 teach us nothing?

So to the staunch “Labour” supporters…the UK has changed and we can not and must not revert back to a 1970s style economy or lifestyle.

Guess your voting to "remain then butcher? Great post, i have no wish to live that way. I’m voting in.

But you could do a list of everything that was bad in 1920 and how much better it was in 1970. There’s been a rise in overall life quality, workers rights, better homes etc etc and that happened before the EU and would have happened without the EU. Sure it isn’t a completely straight line, there are dips and high points, but I doubt anyone of us would want to live with the rights we had in 1916 ( leaving the war aside).

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Evil8Beezle:
Do some people really believe that bringing up things from the 1970’s is really relevant to the vote today?
Unbelievable!

Cue Carryfast in, 3…2…1…

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I also remember the Winter of discontent in 1978-9That chaos was during a Labour Government.We were members of the EEC or whatever it was called back then.I was made redundant back in March of 79.Angela Merkel has opened her country to all sorts but they will be full E.U. citizens with the right to go wherever within Europe in 2 years time.

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Evil8Beezle:
Do some people really believe that bringing up things from the 1970’s is really relevant to the vote today?
Unbelievable!

Unfortunately they’ve fallen for the ploy that the lights will go out at midnight tonight :unamused:

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OVLOV JAY:

Evil8Beezle:
Do some people really believe that bringing up things from the 1970’s is really relevant to the vote today?
Unbelievable!

Unfortunately they’ve fallen for the ploy that the lights will go out at midnight tonight :unamused:

Because nothing happened before the EU?

The French are busy striking, only a few days back the riot police were out in force, so linking the EU to a lack of strikes is erroneous.

As for pollution, any simple graph of London air quality will show a major decline in air pollution from the mid 50s to the mid 60s as the effects of the Clean Air Act of 1956 toof effect, since then it’s continued to improve but only slightly. The same goes for river pollution. We were as a country capable of enacting laws that benefitted people before the EU came into being.

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You can’t reason with remain. All the good things were due to Europe and every imperfection is our own fault. Bad nasty Britain, you’re grounded until you’ve learned your lesson

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Brexit stand to get some extra votes from places like London and Scotland - where, if you listen to the pundits - a “local” result nearing 100% for remain is implied!

Since every vote counts - should Remain “only” win by a say, 60/40 margin in London and Scotland in particular then - I suggest that Brexit are doing “very well indeed, and will probably win by a comfortable margin overall”.

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I’ll be voting out later on and so will my partner. My fathers already voted this morning to come out.

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The price for a high turnout is finally starting to shorten… I may be able to salvage some dignity out of this debacle yet.

I stood to win £2000 for a 60/40 Brexit win (or better) - that price is now 100-1 like the price for Labour was winning an outright majority on election day last year…
It now looks like that’s not gonna happen alas.

The odds on turnout being over 80% have shorted to 8-1 against in the last hour though - I’ve got £20 on that @ 25-1 odds, so I might win a week’s wages out of this yet. That extra time for voter registration, and the improving weather right now - are helping me there I think. :wink:

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Winseer:
The price for a high turnout is finally starting to shorten… I may be able to salvage some dignity out of this debacle yet.

I stood to win £2000 for a 60/40 Brexit win (or better) - that price is now 100-1 like the price for Labour was winning an outright majority on election day last year…
It now looks like that’s not gonna happen alas.

The odds on turnout being over 80% have shorted to 8-1 against in the last hour though - I’ve got £20 on that @ 25-1 odds, so I might win a week’s wages out of this yet. That extra time for voter registration, and the improving weather right now - are helping me there I think. :wink:

I thinK far more will turn out to vote for this then they did the General Election tbh. This vote has a major impact on far more people.

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I voted to leave think it will be a better future than being stuck in the EU.

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Butcher:

Rog270:
Cannot believe that the Labour party says the only way to protect workers wages and conditions is to remain in Europe…It’s there mandate from their inception to protect the working man…So why are they so pro - Europe…and may I say come 36 hrs .and I believe,and hope we leave watch the cracks appear… Sweden… Denmark…? Holland.will follow…So Merkel how will you hold together a union of 2nd rate Country’s…who take,but don’t contribute… Germany tried though force to control Europe…and failed.Looks like they will fail though stealth…God bless all truckers.our lot is not a happy one

So, yes indeed, the Labour party was created to protect workers rights.

As a teenager in the 1970s i can well remember the power cuts.

I can remember the rubbish piling up in our city centres.

I can remember being sent home from school due to there being no oil available to heat the building.

I can remember my Mum and Dad struggling to feed four kids as money was tight, due to a 3 day week.

I can remember in late 1978, the year I started work, the buses suddenly stopped running due to lightning strikes by bus crews.

I can remember certain companies struggling to receive goods because lorry drivers were on strike.

I can remember the crappy cars which were made in Britain, by a British company which was always on strike.

I can remember the dirty and smokey air from our over polluting vehicles and coal fires.

I can remember when TV closed down at 10.30 due to industrial action.

ITV was off air for most or the summer of 1979.

I can remember a different way of life to what we have now.

Let’s not look back with rose tinted beer goggles and say " it was much better then" No it wasn’t.

And I can remember my Mum being unsure about which way to vote in the 1975 referendum. My Dad, quite rightly, persuaded her to vote IN.

And you know what? Throughout my working life and that of my children, things have only improved whilst in the EU.

All the workers rights and better services and sale of goods act and everything we hold sacred today is due to the EU.

Did WW2 teach us nothing?

So to the staunch “Labour” supporters…the UK has changed and we can not and must not revert back to a 1970s style economy or lifestyle.

Are you for real.You’re standing on a so called ‘workers’ ‘rights’ ticket.While at the same time you’re moaning about the strikes in the 1970’s mostly ‘after’ we joined the EU under a Europhile Conservative and then Labour administration.Until Europhile Thatcher finally finished the job in the early 1980’s.Feel free to tell us what workers’ rights we didn’t have in 1972 that we had under Callaghan in the form of wage reductions in real terms and under Thatcher in the form of the removal of the right to strike in the form of secondary action.As opposed to those we did have in 1972 which won the miners strike but which we didn’t have in 1984 which lost it.Workers rights you couldn’t make this zb up.More like Europhile Heath loyalist or even worse a Callaghan and Jenkins supporter.

As for the crappy cars feel free to pay almost twice as much for a 3 litre BMW than an XJ12.Which would obviously fit in with the pro Federalist Europhile anti Nation State mindset like all the rest which will consign the nation to history. :unamused:

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Evil8Beezle:
Do some people really believe that bringing up things from the 1970’s is really relevant to the vote today?
Unbelievable!

It’s as relevant as it gets because it’s the last reference point we’ve got that gives the indoctrinated younger generations an idea of a non EU member UK within EFTA.Feel free to make the case as to what supposedly ‘improved’,both politically and economically and in terms of workers’ rights,after 1972. :bulb: :wink:

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Winseer:
Brexit stand to get some extra votes from places like London and Scotland - where, if you listen to the pundits - a “local” result nearing 100% for remain is implied!

Since every vote counts - should Remain “only” win by a say, 60/40 margin in London and Scotland in particular then - I suggest that Brexit are doing “very well indeed, and will probably win by a comfortable margin overall”.

Realistically Leave never stood much of a chance.On that note the interesting question is then how many times historically has the secessionist Nation State v Federation argument ever been settled democratically or even amicably. :bulb: :open_mouth: :frowning: