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Munchkin:
So will leaving the EU make bankers become less like blood sucking leeches then? Or will it be the case that they’re “our” blood sucking leeches?How about the UK National debt of £1.7 trillion (approx), does anyone know if that’s secured on the country like a gigantic mortgage or is it unsecured?
So how does our massive trade deficit and net contribution figure with the EU help to fix that. 
cav551:
One of the threads had a utube link whichwas about half hour long. This was spoken by several people and finished with a reference to the eu becoming the ussr.it mentioned the master plan to create a USE, which had been a plot hatched in the 1920s to be achieved gradually.
This should do it.The lying zb’s are even trying to say that Churchill had the idea and goal of a USE in common with zb Italian Communists like Spinelli.On that note what was Jean Monnet’s real connections with the Soviet Union. 
europa.eu/about-eu/eu-history/fo … dex_en.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altiero_Spinelli
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuman_Declaration
As for Churchill a contradiction from Federalist zb wit who caused the unnecessary deaths of of loads of people in his attempts to put down the cause of Irish Nationalism.
Warmonger in taking us into a pointless unnecessary war with Germany in 1914.Although which ironically resulted from the aggression of the Austro Hungarian Federation against the Serb Nation.
Who then redeemed himself with credit ironically in wars of the alliance and defence of the nation state ‘against’ the Federation.Both in the form of the third Reich and then the Soviet Union.
In which case why would he have then contradicted the aims of the liberation and defence of the Nation State,on the bs basis that the solution to Federalist aggression and expansion was yet more Federalism in Europe.Especially when that Federalism was along the lines of Spinelli’s and possibly Monnet’s Communist agendas in setting up a European version of the Soviet Union.
IE the EU is a Socialist inspired attempt to infiltrate and takeover Europe based on the lie and transposition that Federalism is the solution to war in Europe and the Nation State the cause.When the truth is war in Europe has always been about the defence of the Nation State against the aggression/expansion of the Federation.Whether it be Napoleon’s version or Stalin’s or Hitlers’ or Tito’s.
Having said that some say that Churchill was often so pished he didn’t know what he was doing. 
Driver-Once-More:
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Unfortunately the young generations have been indoctrinated with the Socialist lie that they were fighting for a Socialist inspired USE rather than the defence of the Nation State.Maybe karma bearing in mind that some of them were enthusiastically following Churchill’s orders to put down the cause of Irish self determination and secession.While others were at the same time fighting with France on the side of Russia and thereby Serbia over the rights of Serb Nationalists.
So, WHICH WAY are you voting?
Driver-Once-More:
So, WHICH WAY are you voting?
If you mean me obviously out on the basis of ideologically opposed to Federalism in whatever form.Let alone a Federal system which is all about keeping Germany at the top of the zb pile at our expense and/or allowing Socialism to further its aims of taking power away from Nation State local democracy.
I got talking to a German lorry driver the other day and his opening gambit was “which way are you going to vote?”, when I replied out he said “good, most Germans would love to see you leave” . I asked him why and he said that amongst a huge number of German working class people there is the desire for the UK to vote out. The thinking being that if we leave then sooner rather than later the whole rotten house of cards will come crashing down!
My Teutonic friend expressed his feelings that lots of Germans despise Merkel and despise what they perceive that she has done to their country and so want the whole sorry mess to end.
Carryfast:
Driver-Once-More:
So, WHICH WAY are you voting?If you mean me obviously out on the basis of ideologically opposed to Federalism in whatever form.Let alone a Federal system which is all about keeping Germany at the top of the zb pile at our expense and/or allowing Socialism to further its aims of taking power away from Nation State local democracy.
CF, yes it was asking you the question. A simple in or out would have done.
Driver-Once-More:
Carryfast:
Driver-Once-More:
So, WHICH WAY are you voting?If you mean me obviously out on the basis of ideologically opposed to Federalism in whatever form.Let alone a Federal system which is all about keeping Germany at the top of the zb pile at our expense and/or allowing Socialism to further its aims of taking power away from Nation State local democracy.
CF, yes it was asking you the question. A simple in or out would have done.
I thought it’s important to give a reason together with the answer.On that note I do agree with the idea of a ‘Confederal’,as opposed to ‘Federal’,Europe.Which ‘would’ probably fit the description of what Churchill ‘actually’ meant.IE friends with fences. 
Munchkin:
I hope everyone on whichever side is taking note of which way their MP leans in this debate. Could make things interesting next general election !
Why would it do anything different than reflect a country divided between Socialism/Federalism v Nation State.On that note remind us what the Socialist Labour vote was last election.As opposed to the Socialist infiltrated Labour Party taking advantage of an electorate that doesn’t know the definition of Socialist.While if you want to claim a victory for being a state of Juncker’s USE you’ll obviously need ‘unanimity’ within the country not almost half against to do it.
As I reported last week Jean-Claude Juncker has spoken. He has advised us Brits of the dangers of leaving the EU. Now you shouldn’t take this as blackmail, as Mr Juncker would never stoop that low.
And in other news Cameron pledges further EU reforms whilst Juncker says there will be no more reform to Britain’s EU membership after Brexit vote. But I thought Remain’s mantra was that we could only change the EU by staying in it . . . at the heart of it . . . as a progressive nation putting forward reforms that the other members of the EU would welcome with open arms? 
Seems Mr Juncker is not singing from the same hymn sheet as Remain.
Stanley Knife:
As I reported last week Jean-Claude Juncker has spoken. He has advised us Brits of the dangers of leaving the EU. Now you shouldn’t take this as blackmail, as Mr Juncker would never stoop that low.
Says absolutely everything about the Federalist mindset from Napoleon to Hitler and Stalin and Tito.So we vote out what is the scumbag POS going to do about it.Oh wait he’s going to impose tarrifs on German exports to the uk.
Worth a read - looks like we’re not the only nation with reservations about the EU.
Although Labour and the Unions want us to stay in the EU seems like the academics can only see their own being even more left behind by 2020 due to ever rising inequality inside the EU.
Stanley Knife:
Although Labour and the Unions want us to stay in the EU seems like the academics can only see their own being even more left behind by 2020 due to ever rising inequality inside the EU.
To be fair the Socialist rhetoric of being good for the ‘workers’ really means everyone is equal but some are much more equal than others.No reason to think that the EU would be any different to the Soviet Union or China in that regard.
Cannot believe that the Labour party says the only way to protect workers wages and conditions is to remain in Europe…It’s there mandate from their inception to protect the working man…So why are they so pro - Europe…and may I say come 36 hrs .and I believe,and hope we leave watch the cracks appear… Sweden… Denmark…? Holland.will follow…So Merkel how will you hold together a union of 2nd rate Country’s…who take,but don’t contribute… Germany tried though force to control Europe…and failed.Looks like they will fail though stealth…God bless all truckers.our lot is not a happy one
People’s perceptions have changed. They don’t see the eu as a capitalist federal dictatorship anymore, where the working man is shackled and exploited. But they seem to think it’s a socialist cause for good, freeing the poor oppressed Eastern Europeans.
The youngsters have no social balance. They’ve grown up in this nanny state leftie society where we are all equal, no barriers in class, creed, religion or country. They’ve taken diversity and turned it into dilution.
It’s now drummed home that anyone right of extreme left is a xenophobe, homophobe, biggot, racist, facist or any other phobe or ist. I’ve always said, I’m not scared of the car, I’m scared of the idiot driving it into a wall. But you can’t voice concerns over lack of infrastructure without being shouted down. You’ve had Sadeeq Kahn and David Cameron calling leave voters out for backing a hate campaign. Assuming that there are no non white Brits on our side (yeah right) that makes roughly 2 thirds of the white electorate racist in their eyes. But it was ok to accept their votes for power over the last 16 months
The people voting remain do not want to be British, they class themselves as Europeans. They will get their way unfortunately, but not without a fight from this Brit
Well said…to many politicians have been frightened of speaking about migration…and let’s cut to the bone this is what this referendum is really all about…maybe out ( which I hope ) or remain the EU will have to address this situation.I think the EU would have worked with only 16 member states…downfall started with allowing Greece in and the other no hopers…
In just the same way that Lenin and Stalin said the best way to protect ‘workers rights’ was to set up the Soviet Union.That ended well.While Socialist China isn’t exactly a workers’ paradise either.