robroy:
I reckon a team of Boris PM and Gove as deputy, they led this campaign, let them take it further, at least they are 100% behind it, better than putting in some ‘policy mercenary’ just in there to further his political career.
Boris had said that he was “no outer” for a long time before this. Then he went away and had a little think, (couple of months ago) and decided to throw his weight behind the leave campaign because he saw it was his chance for a path to No. 10.
He has not been sincere in the slightest! It was pure political machinations.
How can you say he is “100% behind it”?
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How? …Because I have expressed my own personal opinion based on my own interpretation of what I have seen, and the (admittedly) little, that I actually in real terms know.
As you have just done.
Hope that helps.
Yes, its just a shame that such a crucial question was influenced by individual politician’s personal political ambitions. I think it was more important than that.
I don’t think we are all naïve. Boris had to toe the party line until Cameron let them ‘express’ their own personal opinion.
In fairness to the Brexit mob, IDS had the dignity to resign from the cabinet over his views. Credit due. Boris the minute he was allowed to, started to campaign, as did Gove, Patel and the rest.
I choose to believe that the Brexit campaign IS for the benefit of our country, and if we all get on with it now and put some decent effort in, we can all really benefit.
Looooo:
Yes, its just a shame that such a crucial question was influenced by individual politician’s personal political ambitions. I think it was more important than that.
Again, YOUR personal opinion, but not mine.
Mine. is the right decision for Britain was made in the long run, although I suspect by the tone of your last couple of posts, you do not agree.
eagerbeaver:
I don’t think we are all naïve. Boris had to toe the party line until Cameron let them ‘express’ their own personal opinion.
In fairness to the Brexit mob, IDS had the dignity to resign from the cabinet over his views. Credit due. Boris the minute he was allowed to, started to campaign, as did Gove, Patel and the rest.
I choose to believe that the Brexit campaign IS for the benefit of our country, and if we all get on with it now and put some decent effort in, we can all really benefit.
“Yes, its just a shame that such a crucial question was influenced by individual politician’s personal political ambitions. I think it was more important than that.” Loooo.
Tis so. But that`s how the system works. There is, I would suggest, a growing problem with professional politicians who never live in the “real world”. In the past many entering politics had some experience and knowledge of wider issues, and some of them actually seemed to care about their country. That seems increasingly rare today. Present media favours politicos who “look right” and “sound right”, and there is too much comment about image rather than actually looking at the content.
Maybe politicians should be treated like cigarettes?? Plain packaging. Speeches made by manikins? So we concentrate on the message, not the face delivering it? When I say manikins, maybe I mean neutral metal boxes, not inflatable rubber dolls. Hmm…Some politicos (of all parties) do deserve a rapid…enough.
EDIT: it`s a bit like TV talent shows: contestants now “want to be famous”. What happened to those who wanted to sing or whatever? and fame may come as a result. Now too many want power or influence. Too few really want to serve their country.
Scotland are going to leave the UK so is it time to scrap idea of spending a fortune on nuc subs and missiles and leave Faslane before they throw us out this goes for Luchers, Lossimouth, and the other militery bases up there they do not want the so lets utilise in uk
Deeireland:
Anybody shorting sterling for the morning bell?
I am!
I would if I had any funds left to invest. My pension scheme is heavily into the UK stock market. So the vote has cost me already! But if you check out my previous post you may see Im well up in line for a job as a negotiator for UK trade agreements with the USA. Qualifications you ask?? Im still breathing, and can count how many beans make five. With the upcoming shortage of negotiators I should be well in!
It’s a tough road that Britain has chosen. To survive and prosper alone outside the EU, the UK will be forced to become a far more competitive economy, which is obviously a laudable purpose. But in so doing, regulation will have to be slashed, wages constrained, and to attract enterprise, taxes and some forms of government spending will need to be cut sharply. This may be just the sort of shock therapy the UK economy needs after decades of complacency. But is it what those who voted in their droves for Brexit had in mind? I doubt it. Now we are free to negotiate our own free-trade agreements, are people prepared for the huge increase in work visas that will be demanded by India and others as part of the price for opening up their markets? Again, I doubt it.
As I say, the honest answer to “how will this play out” is that I have no idea, and nor has anyone else. What happens to Scotland, and to Northern Ireland? If they vote for separation, is Britain’s independent nuclear deterrent, or even its standing army, remotely sustainable any more?
A glorious victory may have been won, but the hard work, and the cruel business of dashing expectations and hopes, has only just begun
Well the crybaby count is now up to 3.1 million, which i think is hysterical!
To me it shows how many stupid ‘remain’ voters we have in the country, and don’t understand democracy at all…
To be honest it also makes me mad, as what if the tables were turned?
What would they be saying about ‘out’ voters who wanted a second referendum because they didn’t get the result they wanted?
But it’s just playground stuff really isn’t it, Best out of 3, Best out of 5, Best out of 7, etc.
Let’s just keep going until I get the result I want!
As for the EU leaders that are calling for a quick exit for Britain from the EU, stuff em!
We should take as long as we want, and if they are not happy with that, they can take the contract that allows us to take our time (that they created) and use that to dry their eyes! After all, they only want us out ASAP so they can start trying to paper over the crack in the EU and hopefully save it from crumbling apart. They have lost a good little chunk of their economy with us leaving, and I’m not surprised that they ■■■■■■ of with us, but the last thing we should do is rush into make deals with them! Especially as we have no idea yet as to what will happen to the EU, and even whether it will survive this. If other members are forced into referendums by their electorate, I can only see this strengthening our position on an exit deal.
As for fishface, you’ve got to love her. Does she honestly think the EU gives a rat’s arse about Scotland?
It’s economy isn’t big enough & it’s not a cheap source of labour, so of little interest to them…
As for anon84679660, you were born a little late and in the wrong country mate, as Joseph Goebbels could have used a man like you!
Dipper_Dave:
Although I do love Boris and his ‘Ive got to go and play cricket’ soundbite whilst the EU is getting a tad hysterical.
Either a bafoon or a genius in asserting a strong position for the negotiations to come.
A modern take on Sir Francis Drake, wanting to finish his game of boules before fighting the Armada.
Latest news Tim Fallon wants to get us back in EU.He says that lots of out voters have changed their minds and should vote LIB DEM the pie in sky party does any one think it will get off the ground
Evil8Beezle:
As for the EU leaders that are calling for a quick exit for Britain from the EU, stuff em!
We should take as long as we want, and if they are not happy with that, they can take the contract that allows us to take our time (that they created) and use that to dry their eyes!
If other members are forced into referendums by their electorate, I can only see this strengthening our position on an exit deal.
As for fishface, you’ve got to love her. Does she honestly think the EU gives a rat’s arse about Scotland?
First you want to speed it up. Now you want to slow it down. Policy now being driven by Bucks Fizz?
You think we are in a strong position bargaining position now? We just voted to leave the club. I admire your confidence that the rest of the wold think so much of Britain that they will do anything to keep us happy, but I think if you ever stood outside of Britain and looked at us the way Johnny Foreigner sees us you might find it looks a little more like misguided arrogance.
Why are you so keen on British independence but rubbish Scottish independence? What is the difference. They want out of “The whole rotten con” of the United Kingdom. Being governed by a remote gov in Westminster. How is that different to Uk wanting out of EU?
fuse:
Latest news Tim Fallon wants to get us back in EU.He says that lots of out voters have changed their minds and should vote LIB DEM the pie in sky party does any one think it will get off the ground
Just an idea to throw out there::
2 years from now and billions of £ later, we are fully out.
General Elections 2020, and Lib Dems are in with a mandate for rejoining the EU. Or maybe a more mainstream party?
WOW !
It does put a smile on my face. Well, no more of a scary manic grin really. Im sure a few experts out there will say its impossible. Just like the out vote was impossible.
Weve had the "politics of greed" the "politics of fear", the "politics of humanity" now its time for the “Politics of the YO-YO”!
After all, they only want us out ASAP so they can start trying to paper over the crack in the EU and hopefully save it from crumbling apart. They have lost a good little chunk of their economy with us leaving, and I’m not surprised that they ■■■■■■ of with us, but the last thing we should do is rush into make deals with them! Especially as we have no idea yet as to what will happen to the EU, and even whether it will survive this. If other members are forced into referendums by their electorate, I can only see this strengthening our position on an exit deal.