Tude:
Juddian:
Sploom:
I have also come to that conclusion and not just with cameras, many other things in the grand scheme of things.
I tried doing my bit, seat on our parish council, became the deputy chair, anti govt. websites and just a general stance of non-compliance in whatever I did.
I soon realised that the majority were sadly beyond help and I have a life to live…So I sold all I had in the UK and relocated to the mountains of central Portugal to leave society and grow all my own food…I have to say that it is the best decision I ever made and I now eat my own grown food(47 varieties) and wild meat with no chemicals and 21 months in, I know that I am self sufficient in all foodstuffs, I have a forest for wood, for heating and cooking and can be totally self sufficient with two sources of spring water…My prepping is not storage, it is free range!
Cameras…They should only be used for making our lives better, not worse.
Bring on the New World Order…I am ready.
Well done Tude, don’t blame you one bit getting out.
Yes, the majority are beyond help, glued as they are to the idiot box in the corner.
Just imagine being so weak that you are terrified of losing a job ffs 
Leave & get a different one. I’ve got plenty of uniforms if you need any.
Sploom:
There are lots of drivers who say they wouldnt work for a company that uses incab cameras but when it comes to the crunch,I bet they wouldnt leave,if the company fits them.The last company I worked for,drivers were too frightened to 
leave,even when the driver shortage was in full swing and you could take your pick of higher paid,easier jobs.They were frightened to leave,even then
Frightened to leave? Why?
What’s going to happen to them if they leave?
Believe it or not some drivers actually have a backbone, and wouldn’t stand for it.
I actually pity you sad ■■■■■■■■ that roll over and take this ■■■■-“oh it’s a decent job so I’ll put up with it” absolute mugs .
I don’t post on this section of the forum much anymore, and for good reason-it’s full of tossers that will put up with things like this-and some of you will actually moan that the job isn’t what it used to be-i wonder why…
Bigtruck3:
Tude:
I have also come to that conclusion and not just with cameras, many other things in the grand scheme of things.
I tried doing my bit, seat on our parish council, became the deputy chair, anti govt. websites and just a general stance of non-compliance in whatever I did.
I soon realised that the majority were sadly beyond help and I have a life to live…So I sold all I had in the UK and relocated to the mountains of central Portugal to leave society and grow all my own food…I have to say that it is the best decision I ever made and I now eat my own grown food(47 varieties) and wild meat with no chemicals and 21 months in, I know that I am self sufficient in all foodstuffs, I have a forest for wood, for heating and cooking and can be totally self sufficient with two sources of spring water…My prepping is not storage, it is free range!
Cameras…They should only be used for making our lives better, not worse.
Bring on the New World Order…I am ready.
HAS TO BE ANOTHER MATE OF ROBROY
Well the guy sounds ok, but he ain’t, my mate. I dont know him. 
I like his style, but if you are implying he is like me you obviously do NOT know me.
As for joining parish councils and official organisations 
, the thought horrifies me .I think twice about joining a Christmas club ffs. 
I prefer to keep my head down and fight who I see as ‘the enemy’ , craftily under a low profile, with the added bonus of making THEM think they have won…I have built my driver employee carreer on that.
Portugal sounds great to live, but as for living in solitary confinement , I’m a social animal ffs …I’d be moving to central Albufeira not some mountain dwelling.
I’d die of boredom,.and as for growing my own food, and cooking it myself? …It takes me all my time to mow the ■■■■ lawn, let alone be some kind of agricultural farmer…and cooking? the kitchen is my wife’s department,.(although I am sometimes seen in there watching the football on tv on the wall if the living room is full of family visitors. )
So basically mate you have got me all wrong…but thanks for the opportunity of discussing my favourite subject…ME.
With him on the cameras…obvs.
robroy:
Bigtruck3:
Tude:
I have also come to that conclusion and not just with cameras, many other things in the grand scheme of things.
I tried doing my bit, seat on our parish council, became the deputy chair, anti govt. websites and just a general stance of non-compliance in whatever I did.
I soon realised that the majority were sadly beyond help and I have a life to live…So I sold all I had in the UK and relocated to the mountains of central Portugal to leave society and grow all my own food…I have to say that it is the best decision I ever made and I now eat my own grown food(47 varieties) and wild meat with no chemicals and 21 months in, I know that I am self sufficient in all foodstuffs, I have a forest for wood, for heating and cooking and can be totally self sufficient with two sources of spring water…My prepping is not storage, it is free range!
Cameras…They should only be used for making our lives better, not worse.
Bring on the New World Order…I am ready.
HAS TO BE ANOTHER MATE OF ROBROY
Well the guy sounds ok, but he ain’t, my mate. I dont know him.
I like his style, but if you are implying he is like me you obviously do NOT know me.
As for joining parish councils and official organisations , the thought horrifies me .I think twice about joining a Christmas club ffs.
I prefer to keep my head down and fight who I see as ‘the enemy’ , craftily under a low profile, with the added bonus of making THEM think they have won…I have built my driver employee carreer on that.
Portugal sounds great to live, but as for living in solitary confinement , I’m a social animal ffs …I’d be moving to central Albufeira not some mountain dwelling.
I’d die of boredom,.and as for growing my own food, and cooking it myself? …It takes me all my time to mow the [zb] lawn, let alone be some kind of agricultural farmer…and cooking? the kitchen is my wife’s department,.(although I am sometimes seen in there watching the football on tv on the wall if the living room is full of family visitors. )
So basically mate you have got me all wrong…but thanks for the opportunity of discussing my favourite subject…ME.
With him on the cameras…obvs.
It was just a comparison to Mr Sploom and you joke, nothing personal, they were both on the original post I posted
andrew.s
Its alright saying all that but I have the job I wanted now.If I leave,Im easily replaced.And what happens then?
I get another job,less money,more hard work,so if Im spineless at least Im a spineless person with a good job
Sploom:
andrew.s
Its alright saying all that but I have the job I wanted now.If I leave,Im easily replaced.And what happens then?
I get another job,less money,more hard work,so if Im spineless at least Im a spineless person with a good job
Alternatively…
You could leave find a better job with more money and less hours.
Until you walk, you don’t know.
Can’t argue with the spineless bit though.
Just to add my own thoughts here; I have what I consider to be a relatively good job, unionised, I drive brand new and well maintained tackle, 100% legal operation, not pushed or bothered by phone calls, north of £50k a year, my planner knows precisely what I will or will not do and so plans accordingly.
Yet if they fitted driver facing cameras I’d walk that very same day. I don’t care what my pay is, my dignity and self respect have no price tag.
The issue is that if it’s not already getting harder and harder to find companies that don’t have inward facing cameras fitted, it soon will be. My mate works for a company that doesn’t, but he was surprised to learn they have microphones instead.
Immediately leaving a job for another is ultimately a shallow victory, because inward facing cameras will one day be standard across the industry, and you’ll only come up against them again… and again… and again in the long run. A more fruitful, long-term, and powerful move is to leave the industry altogether. Retrain and move on. Leave transport to fester in it’s own rot.
As Swordsy says. Decent place easy work no pressure . Yes inward facing camera, but honestly, think they employ staff to watch nearly 1000 trucks■■? And there is a union which let it happen.
I’ve had a couple of “incidents” where maybe I harsh braked whilst “adjusting” the radio [emoji6] never heard anything, along with drinking fluids and odd snack. But phone is on Bluetooth or silent. And camera only operating when ignition on. In case drivers paranoid about parked up watching Xhamster
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ezydriver:
The issue is that if it’s not already getting harder and harder to find companies that don’t have inward facing cameras fitted, it soon will be. My mate works for a company that doesn’t, but he was surprised to learn they have microphones instead.
Immediately leaving a job for another is ultimately a shallow victory, because inward facing cameras will one day be standard across the industry, and you’ll only come up against them again… and again… and again in the long run. A more fruitful, long-term, and powerful move is to leave the industry altogether. Retrain and move on. Leave transport to fester in it’s own rot.
It will only be standard across the industry if everyone still keeps bending over for it!
andrew.s:
ezydriver:
The issue is that if it’s not already getting harder and harder to find companies that don’t have inward facing cameras fitted, it soon will be. My mate works for a company that doesn’t, but he was surprised to learn they have microphones instead.
Immediately leaving a job for another is ultimately a shallow victory, because inward facing cameras will one day be standard across the industry, and you’ll only come up against them again… and again… and again in the long run. A more fruitful, long-term, and powerful move is to leave the industry altogether. Retrain and move on. Leave transport to fester in it’s own rot.
It will only be standard across the industry if everyone still keeps bending over for it!
Which they will, of that I have no doubt.
Andy187 mentioned X Hamster, that’s a good one to watch dogging and the ■■■■ Hub one I had a malicious message come up saying there was a virus and press here to sort it , i didn’t fall for their scam so stopped pop ups which the scammers were using to infect the site.
Sploom:
andrew.s
Its alright saying all that but I have the job I wanted now.If I leave,Im easily replaced.And what happens then?
I get another job,less money,more hard work,so if Im spineless at least Im a spineless person with a good job
Youve got a camera looking at you in your cab-doesn’t sound like a very good job to me.
yes you are spineless.
Undoubtedly it will become the industry norm to have these cameras because people like yourself are too scared to say no.
I love driving, been in the blood since I was old enough to sit in one of my fathers lorries, I have a very very good job but I’d walk tomorrow if it came to it, and find something else to do for a living if need be.
There is a video of Polish national Thomasz Kroker showing him touching devices then crashing in to multiple vehicles on the A34, before leaving the depot he signed a form to say he would not fiddle and drive.
I don’t know how to put up videos of what he did, how do you put them up on here?
A disturbing and scary video of what an out of control 44 tonner can do loaded with fertiliser.
Ion Onut speaks from prison to describe what happened on that fateful day.
If someone knows how to put the video of the crash up, how do you do that?
Henry Stephens:
There is a video of Polish national Thomasz Kroker showing him touching devices then crashing in to multiple vehicles on the A34, before leaving the depot he signed a form to say he would not fiddle and drive.
I don’t know how to put up videos of what he did, how do you put them up on here?
Not sure what your point is?
So he had a camera in his cab and crashed? So the camera didn’t stop him crashing.
Will a camera stop poor driving? No
andrew.s:
Henry Stephens:
There is a video of Polish national Thomasz Kroker showing him touching devices then crashing in to multiple vehicles on the A34, before leaving the depot he signed a form to say he would not fiddle and drive.
I don’t know how to put up videos of what he did, how do you put them up on here?
Not sure what your point is?
So he had a camera in his cab and crashed? So the camera didn’t stop him crashing.
Will a camera stop poor driving? No
Some useless ■■■■■■ ploughs into a queue of stationary traffic in an artic and kills people, they are getting done for it whether there is a camera or not
I can’t make my mind up if I’m for or against in cab driver facing cameras or not but lorry drivers are their own worst enemy for not sticking together and getting walked over.
The French certainly do not get walked over and will protest as they did years ago with transport policy changes from driving licenses and fuel prices with a total paralysis of the country’s infrastructure.
If you drove through a strike, you would get rocks in the windscreen so luckily I sneaked past all the blockages to use the small back lanes and avoid the main roads to get the ferry.
When paper analogue disc charts came in or frisbees , that was the slow start of a complete authoritarian and dystopian total control of drivers in the industry.
Before the analogue tachos came in drivers were on the fiddle with dodgy claims on their paperwork.
Then they couldn’t trust us to drive with the maximum speed of a truck so brought in speed limiters that took all the fun out of the job, doing 80 mph fully loaded in a Scania 142 V8 will never be the same as tootling up and down the M6 at 50 or 56 mph with a load of bog rolls.
As Jimmy Cricket said: Come here’s there’s more, so there is more control like from the George Orwell book 1984 with the Thought Police bringing in digital tachographs.
The late and great Frankie Carson said : It’s a cracker, it’s the way I tell em, to bring in technology to record all aspects of how the driver behaves when driving to indicate harsh braking, over speeding, over revving, under revving with the green and red bands,speeding, excessive idling and a plethora of hanging offences where the TM’s and planners post up the best and worst drivers on a bit of paper to humiliate everyone.
As i said above, we all let this happen so what next is on the horizon as someone mentioned microphones in the cab, is that a fine if you ■■■■ in the cab?
