See Winseer has had his first ‘‘smoke’’ of the day . 
…WTF ! 
Thanks to Frangers for his answer orchestrated with the skill,.spin and caution worthy of Alistar Campbell btw.
No answer to my question, mention, or reference I notice, of a virtual army,.or at least very large gang (hows that for drama 
) of young illegal men hanging around in his own locality as the rest of us all see in ours…it looks like in his case he is right…they DON’T exist there.
robroy:
so that said why do they leave France and take a dangerous life risking journey if there is little or no incentive,.I mean WHY tf would they even do that …please explain in your OWN words instead of what they want to convince us of.
Because they speak English. The French are well known for refusing to speak English, and if you don’t speak French, France is not a good place to try and live. There is also the fact that many have relatives or friends here, and it’s easier to get (illegal) housing and work, if you speak the language, and have contacts.
Try to imagine, trying to live and work in another country, if the locals won’t speak English to you.
I don’t disagree necessarily with much of what you say, but in the vast majority of cases it’s not the refugees/illegals who have created this situation. It’s our own gubernment who have created this mess, and who could solve it, but they don’t, because they use the migrant situation as a deflection of their incompetence/corruption.
Your favourite footie pundit was right.
Franglais.I remember in the eighties with band aid and everything,we were all made to feel guilty because we had food on the table.Now,Im all for feeding the hungry,but even if all that money reached the starving 30 million,now we would 300 milion mouths to feed.Youve created dependancy.
What we really need is responsibilty for having children.I mean,I for one,I couldnt bear the idea of having a child but no food to give it.Id rather not have children at all,I mean,if I have to starve,so be it,better that than see children starving,but what do these women do? Right,ok,get married,how many children are we going to have? 8 children,oh but weve got no food for them,but we’re going to have them anyway.
We need to help those in wartorn countries to settle in the next available country with their same way of life and beliefs,and much more space than the UK.Its better for them and its better for everybody
robroy:
See Winseer has had his first ‘‘smoke’’ of the day .Thanks to Frangers for his answer orchestrated with the skill,.spin and caution worthy of Alistar Campbell btw.
No answer to my question, mention, or reference I notice, of a virtual army,.or at least very large gang (hows that for drama
There are no large gangs, nor small gangs of “illegal men*” hanging around any of my usual haunts.
However I accept that you have seen some. Unlike you I do believe that others have a different world experience to me.
The world exists outside of any one of our`s personal bubble.
Sploom:
Franglais.I remember in the eighties with band aid and everything,we were all made to feel guilty because we had food on the table.Now,Im all for feeding the hungry,but even if all that money reached the starving 30 million,now we would 300 milion mouths to feed.Youve created dependancy.
What we really need is responsibilty for having children.I mean,I for one,I couldnt bear the idea of having a child but no food to give it.Id rather not have children at all,I mean,if I have to starve,so be it,better that than see children starving,but what do these women do? Right,ok,get married,how many children are we going to have? 8 children,oh but weve got no food for them,but we’re going to have them anyway.
We need to help those in wartorn countries to settle in the next available country with their same way of life and beliefs,and much more space than the UK.Its better for them and its better for everybody
It`s better for Syrians to stay in Turkey, with collapsed buildings and insufficient clean water, because it has vast open drought ridden areas, and it is next door?
Well, that is what millions of them are doing.
Well,I know people that go on holiday to Turkey so it cant be that,but how about the other huge neighboring countries,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Iraq or Egypt.Are these countries not habitable?
Sploom:
Franglais.I remember in the eighties with band aid and everything,we were all made to feel guilty because we had food on the table.Now,Im all for feeding the hungry,but even if all that money reached the starving 30 million,now we would 300 milion mouths to feed.Youve created dependancy.
What we really need is responsibilty for having children.I mean,I for one,I couldnt bear the idea of having a child but no food to give it.Id rather not have children at all,I mean,if I have to starve,so be it,better that than see children starving,but what do these women do? Right,ok,get married,how many children are we going to have? 8 children,oh but weve got no food for them,but we’re going to have them anyway.
We need to help those in wartorn countries to settle in the next available country with their same way of life and beliefs,and much more space than the UK.Its better for them and its better for everybody
What about the home grown underclass who’s way of life is to not work (purposely so they can sponge off the state) and have kids willy nilly,.breeding like rats to gain more benefits, and upgrade their houses supplied to the state,.whilst bringing up their next generation of parasitic scroungers 
…put them in camps as a final solution ffs ! 
(note: Don’t really think that, I’m just playing up to my accusation on this thread of being a racist, with the extreme far right wing attitudes that usually acompanies rasism …just go with it. )
Our right hon TN representative of the Labour Party will be along soon to tell me that those people don’t exist either,. or at least are a VERY small percentage,.backed up with official stats )
Exactly ,we have enough trash of our own without bringing more in.But if I was in charge,there wouldnt be any benefit scroungers.I would have a system where you had to do work for benefits.But not the hard labour that I would have the prisoners doing.It would benefit them as much as anyone else.And reduce crime.The devil finds work for idle hands
Sploom:
Well,I know people that go on holiday to Turkey so it cant be that,but how about the other huge neighboring countries,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Iraq or Egypt.Are these countries not habitable?
Turkey certainly has a tourist industry.
This is not one of their adverts
youtube.com/watch?v=CG1bVE_0CD0
Iran and Iraq are hardly safe countries are they?
Egypt and Saudi Arabia are mostly desert. Mostly with very high summer temperatures, and down to zero or below some nights.
Sploom:
Exactly ,we have enough trash of our own without bringing more in.But if I was in charge,there wouldnt be any benefit scroungers.I would have a system where you had to do work for benefits.But not the hard labour that I would have the prisoners doing.It would benefit them as much as anyone else.And reduce crime.The devil finds work for idle hands
What utter garbage. So you want unemployed drivers to work for dole? Tell me what happens to your job when the boss realises he can have someone do it for free.
I would be happy to work for dole,its a price worth paying in order to stop people abusing the system.I have known quite a few people who have benn on benefits virtually all their whole lives.
Where I live there is no shortage of work,in warehouses if necessary.Thats what I will do if I lost my HGV
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The UK is one of the lowest paying of developed countries for paying unemployment benefits.
Greater unemployment money would mean less being forced into a badly paying job, or into the black economy. Less subsidence by taxpayers of badly paying employers.
It would mean greater flexibility for workers to choose the best employer in the marketplace of employers. And we know that the marketplace is KIng don`t we?
Are there lazy wasters in the country? Yes there are.
Is paying all unemployed and injured a pittance cutting their numbers? No, it isnt. Cutting it down further likely wont improve things.
Sploom:
I would be happy to work for dole,its a price worth paying in order to stop people abusing the system.I have known quite a few people who have benn on benefits virtually all their whole lives.
Where I live there is no shortage of work,in warehouses if necessary.Thats what I will do if I lost my HGV
Yeah I know you would but the problem is you are taking someones paid job away from them. Because if your boss can hire dole/prisoners for nothing hes going to sack you and replace you for free isnt he. See the problem?
In that case then,if its not practical for them to work,get them to report at 8am to some big waiting room and wait there all day,in order to qudlify for the benefits.Maybe you could have a 3 month qualifying period or something for the genuine ones.I remember talking to this guy in a pub once,he boasted that he had never done a days work in his life,never made any contribution to society and he was coming up to 60.You have to prevent these sorts of situations
I’m pushing 60 now, I know people of my age who attended the same schools as me who have never worked a day (legitimately) in their lives. Their children followed in their footsteps and now their children’s children are following suit. That’s three generations of people whose only expertise lies in working the system. They have around the same disposable income as me. Granted, they don’t own anything, but why would they want to when everything is freely available at the public teat?
When I’m King of the world I’ll pay all the benefits that these people want with one big proviso; you’ll work for your benefits, you’ll do 4x12 hour shifts cleaning streets, litter picking, mowing pensioners lawns and generally being productive members of society. I say four shifts because the fifth day will involve you attending “proper” job interviews and filling in application forms, because trust me, if the choice is 48 hours litter picking for your £90 odd a week or 40 hours in a factory for £300 a week your mind will soon be focused upon improving your lot.
There was another guy in this pub I used to drink in,he used to tell this story of how they wanted to put him on a restart scheme and his answer was ,you cant because Ive never started!
Franglais
If Iraq,Iran and Saudi are unsafe countries,in that case,we would have to open our boarders to all those who dont feel safe there.Why should we have an obligation just because they get to the UK on a boat?
I am all for charity and help others when we can,thats great,but this approach we have at the moment is not the way forward,I think
Sploom:
In that case then,if its not practical for them to work,get them to report at 8am to some big waiting room and wait there all day,in order to qudlify for the benefits.Maybe you could have a 3 month qualifying period or something for the genuine ones.I remember talking to this guy in a pub once,he boasted that he had never done a days work in his life,never made any contribution to society and he was coming up to 60.You have to prevent these sorts of situations
So you punish everyone for the one case you heard in a pub?
Sploom:
Franglais
If Iraq,Iran and Saudi are unsafe countries,in that case,we would have to open our boarders to all those who dont feel safe there.Why should we have an obligation just because they get to the UK on a boat?
I am all for charity and help others when we can,thats great,but this approach we have at the moment is not the way forward,I think
Lot of them are coming because the UK bombed Libya. The west also invaded Iraq which destabilised Iraq. These things dont just happen by themselves.
I wouldnt class it as a punishment.You collect benefits,then earn them thats all.Yes,a guy in a pub in a council estate,just one person but we know there are thousands just like him.
Yes,big mistake invading Iraq and with Aphganistan,I remember when the Americans first started bombing that country.Im thinking,what is there there to bomb? And what did it achieve