Immigration hits all-time high

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Franglais:
I am only using the sources in the link you put up.

Or should we be guessing which parts of a story you think are true, and ignore the bits you think are false? Maybe you could supply some sort of guide to that in the future to stop us all guessing?

Do you see mainly videos of young men? Yep, I expect so.
Mainly in the UK we will see those crossing the channel.
This is about those arriving in their first European country. It isn`t clear where they had arrived from is it?
This is about those including children and a baby being taken from dry land and taken out to sea.

Mainly young men in videos? Yes, I expect so.
This case? Your case? No.

Lemme guess,
robroy » 26 Mar 2023, 12:18…I haven’t read right through the thread yet,
robroy » 29 Apr 2023, 11:32…You see this is why I should actually bother my arse to read your links,
will soon be joined by a post saying that in future you will read your own links?

You can guess wtf you like, you can believe wtf you like :unamused: .
As for me laying out a guide of what I believe and what I don’t purely for you :unamused: …,.I would only do that if I actually cared about your opinions,and felt the need to justify mine to you…neither scenario exists. :bulb: I am confident that the majority on here know exactly where I am coming from on this subject.

Whether or not there were any of the type of group, or demographic, of people, (of whom are usually used in the media to garner sympathy,) my whole point of posting that link was to point out that if we in this country took a similar type of hard line approach, it would sure as hell be a deterrent…
Because that is what we need,.a deterrent to deter freeloaders coming to this already overcrowded island . :bulb:
Then and maybe only then these people would settle for the FIRST safe port of call, ie Asylum seeking :bulb: …, .rather than cross numerous other countries to feed off our over generous system which they know will be open to them, and a much better option of staying in the first safe country.
Even if MANY of them have already left a SAFE country in the first place!!

To get back to your imaginary ‘‘Plethora of families and children’’ coming here,.as opposed to the real picture of a majority of ‘young men of fighting age’, …ok yeah… in Franglais world they surely do, exist and are in a majority, but from what I SEE in my own home city, hanging around the streets, staying in some top hotels, at mine and other’s expense, (how many million a month is it?) they sure as hell do NOT come anywhere near a majority in reality.

However irrespective of all that, we have many indigenous families and children here who need help, and I believe charity begins at home, (maybe with the exception of foreign families in REAL danger from Afghan and Ukraine.which I am sick of repeating. :unamused: ) …
Oh dear there goes my ‘‘racist tendencies’’ again for you to jump on…I’m surprised you did not pick up on my ''racist ‘’ terminology, of referring to the Greeks as ‘bubbles’, or '‘lumping all foreigners together’ which you bizarrely define as racism. :smiley: …
In YOUR own words and expressions,… I would have expected you to have a hissy fit whilst ‘‘clutching at your pearls’’. you missed a big opportunity there mate.:unamused: :laughing: :laughing:

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robroy:

Franglais:
I am only using the sources in the link you put up.

Or should we be guessing which parts of a story you think are true, and ignore the bits you think are false? Maybe you could supply some sort of guide to that in the future to stop us all guessing?

Do you see mainly videos of young men? Yep, I expect so.
Mainly in the UK we will see those crossing the channel.
This is about those arriving in their first European country. It isn`t clear where they had arrived from is it?
This is about those including children and a baby being taken from dry land and taken out to sea.

Mainly young men in videos? Yes, I expect so.
This case? Your case? No.

Lemme guess,
robroy » 26 Mar 2023, 12:18…I haven’t read right through the thread yet,
robroy » 29 Apr 2023, 11:32…You see this is why I should actually bother my arse to read your links,
will soon be joined by a post saying that in future you will read your own links?

You can guess wtf you like, you can believe wtf you like :unamused: .
As for me laying out a guide of what I believe and what I don’t purely for you :unamused: …,.I would only do that if I actually cared about your opinions,and felt the need to justify mine to you…neither scenario exists. :bulb: I am confident that the majority on here know exactly where I am coming from on this subject.

Whether or not there were any of the type of group, or demographic, of people, (of whom are usually used in the media to garner sympathy,) my whole point of posting that link was to point out that if we in this country took a similar type of hard line approach, it would sure as hell be a deterrent…
Because that is what we need,.a deterrent to deter freeloaders coming to this already overcrowded island . :bulb:
Then and maybe only then these people would settle for the FIRST safe port of call, ie Asylum seeking :bulb: …, .rather than cross numerous other countries to feed off our over generous system which they know will be open to them, and a much better option of staying in the first safe country.
Even if MANY of them have already left a SAFE country in the first place!!

To get back to your imaginary ‘‘Plethora of families and children’’ coming here,.as opposed to the real picture of a majority of ‘young men of fighting age’, …ok yeah… in Franglais world they surely do, exist and are in a majority, but from what I SEE in my own home city, hanging around the streets, staying in some top hotels, at mine and other’s expense, (how many million a month is it?) they sure as hell do NOT come anywhere near a majority in reality.

However irrespective of all that, we have many indigenous families and children here who need help, and I believe charity begins at home, (maybe with the exception of foreign families in REAL danger from Afghan and Ukraine.which I am sick of repeating. :unamused: ) …
Oh dear there goes my ‘‘racist tendencies’’ again for you to jump on…I’m surprised you did not pick up on my ''racist ‘’ terminology, of referring to the Greeks as ‘bubbles’, or '‘lumping all foreigners together’ which you bizarrely define as racism. :smiley: …
In YOUR own words and expressions,… I would have expected you to have a hissy fit whilst ‘‘clutching at your pearls’’. you missed a big opportunity there mate.:unamused: :laughing: :laughing:

Did I say anything about a “Plethora of families and children”? Where?
I think that was only inside your head.

Remember it was YOU that linked to an article about the Greeks setting women kids and a baby adrift.
You think we should copy them?
Feel free to do so. I disagree.

Which “top hotels” are refugees staying in?
They are staying in some ex-hotels, (same building but different staff and facilities open). Why?
Because the Home Office isnt processing them as quickly as they used to. If processed they could be allowed to work and contribute to society or be deported. The present log jam isnt helping anyone.
Or maybe it is helping the politicos have a handy scapegoat to hand? Whip up hatred against them and help divert attention from the mismanagement of other things!

robroy:
Then and maybe only then these people would settle for the FIRST safe port of call, ie Asylum seeking …, .rather than cross numerous other countries to feed off our over generous system which they know will be open to them, and a much better option of staying in the first safe country.
Even if MANY of them have already left a SAFE country in the first place!!

So all Syrians should stop in Turkey. Their first safe country.
Actually Turkey hosts 3.7million refugees. Over three and a half million, in a country with a far lower standard of living than here.
And all Ukrainians should stop in Poland. That is their first safe country.
We all know Ukraine is at war. It isnt safe. There have been nearly 9,000 civilians killed. In Syria the conflict has been going longer, so it isnt “news” but over 160,000 civilians killed. It isnt safe. Ethiopias has hundreds of thousands dying form conflict and hundreds of thousands more dying from famine.

As a further point the money paid for hotels* isnt extra money. As I understand it, it is from the UKs already allocated Foreign Aid Budget. Instead of going to feed refugees in foreign camps it is going to UK building owners.
Income for them from old buildings in need of redecoration maybe, instead of going to overseas suppliers. I wonder who will win votes or sponsorship from that? I wonder if that will encourage even more to leave the crowded and over stretched facilities abroad and go elsewhere?

And I`ll repeat summat else, Number of refugees:
UK…137k
France…499k
Germany…1,255k
EU as a whole…2,858k
Arab world as a whole…9,373k

They aren`t all flocking to our shores or whatever is being spun by the rags etc.

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:laughing: :laughing:
Just the sort of blinkered reply I would expect from you. :unamused:
Open your eyes man ffs.

And you want me to actually list the names of the top hotels? :smiley: …
What would be the ■■■■ point, maybe have a look around your own locality to get the names of a few.

Have a look on you tube for a link,…is it White Rose?
Or are you only interested in the links that pertain to your own woke and left wing politics,.or those that ‘‘confirm’’ the official line on Covid and the like, and the pro remainer type b/s.

I will no doubt get the usual patronising argument pointing out the concept of a discussion forum from you, but it has got to the stage where it is a waste of my time,.and yours arguing with you…put it down as a victory if it pleases you,.we all know how you always think you are right.

Off to B&Q with the wife today, looking forward to running the gauntlet of ‘oppressed nuclear families’ loitering around the road in from the hotel, or in your words ‘EX hotel’’ they are enjoying.
I’ll send them your regards and wishes of good luck…But be also keeping a keen eye on my little girl after recent events there from the reality of a vast majority of young men of…you know the rest.
:unamused: .
I

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robroy:
:lol: :laughing:
Just the sort of blinkered reply I would expect from you. :unamused:
Open your eyes man ffs.

And you want me to actually list the names of the top hotels? :smiley: …
What would be the [zb] point, maybe have a look around your own locality to get the names of a few.

Have a look on you tube for a link,…is it White Rose?
Or are you only interested in the links that pertain to your own woke and left wing politics,.or those that ‘‘confirm’’ the official line on Covid and the like, and the pro remainer type b/s.

I will no doubt get the usual patronising argument pointing out the concept of a discussion forum from you, but it has got to the stage where it is a waste of my time,.and yours arguing with you…put it down as a victory if it pleases you,.we all know how you always think you are right.

Off to B&Q with the wife today, looking forward to running the gauntlet of ‘oppressed nuclear families’ loitering around the road in from the hotel, or in your words ‘EX hotel’’ they are enjoying.
I’ll send them your regards and wishes of good luck…But be also keeping a keen eye on my little girl after recent events there from the reality of a vast majority of young men of…you know the rest.
:unamused: .
I

I do follow your links. You might have noticed me commenting on them and quoting them?
There are however some who do no such thing.

Postby robroy » 29 Apr 2023, 13:45
“Ffs I misunderstood because I failed to open your boring links.”

They feel fit to comment without bothering to find out WTF they are talking about.

Oh, and thanks for the chance for another 2 points in RobRoy Bingo.
Brexit and Covid on an immigration thread!

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Aye whatever…bored now, things to do people to see.
Enjoy rest of yer day. :wink:

Pleaeese don’t take that as passive aggression ffs, seeing as you are ALWAYS looking for an argument of some sorts. :smiley:

Oh and ‘Robroy bingo’ told you before mate, use your own comedy material ffs.
If I played the ORIGINAL idea (mine) of ‘Franglais bingo’ it would be virtually full house every post. :smiley:

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Another link for the Political Oracle who is Frangers :smiley: …to scrutinise, pick holes in and give his expert and valued opinion on… :smiley:
It is a criticism of the Tories (hooray) ,but in the context of how they manage Brexit (boo) …, so a bitter sweet ying and yang scenario for him to ponder.over. :smiley:
youtu.be/puu9mX8q_q4

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What I cant understand about this immigration problem is why,if there is a war going on in Syria,ok,you have to get out,I get that,but why would you head for the UK? Are there not massive countries that have the same belif system and ideals?
We are just a small island off the cost if Europe,we are already full up.Whats the attraction of tbe UK?

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Sploom:
Whats the attraction of the UK?

Our soft approach and over generous benefit’s system. It isn’t about them fleeing for their lives from war torn countries (despite passing through X amount of safe “Western” countries on the way) but more to do with the fact that once they land on these shores they know they will never leave and have everything handed to them on a plate.

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Sploom:
What I cant understand about this immigration problem is why,if there is a war going on in Syria,ok,you have to get out,I get that,but why would you head for the UK? Are there not massive countries that have the same belif system and ideals?
We are just a small island off the cost if Europe,we are already full up.Whats the attraction of tbe UK?

14 million Syrians are displaced from their own homes.
There are about 5.5 million Syrian refugees in the countries surrounding Syria.
In the 5 years to 2021 the UK settled 20 thousand of them in a UNHCR scheme.

unrefugees.org/news/syria-r … explained/
unhcr.org/uk/news/announcem … -and-ahead

The UK is “full up” ? Turkey with it`s recent earthquake destroying homes does what it can for 3.7m Syrians.
That is about 150 times more than the UK.

Of those Syrians displaced one in seven-hundred arrive in the UK. 699 are somewhere else. They aren`t all coming over here, the vast, vast, majority are elsewhere.

We have asylum seekers arriving at this rate before. It is not a unique situation,
Previously we processed asylum seekers in weeks or months. It now takes the Home Office months and years to process them.
That is why we are using more accommodation. If the migrants weren`t being warehoused they could take up employment and pay tax, or be deported.

Braverman is right in one thing. The system is broken.
Who broke it, and who is doing nothing to fix it?

tmcassett:
Our soft approach and over generous benefit’s system. It isn’t about them fleeing for their lives from war torn countries (despite passing through X amount of safe “Western” countries on the way) but more to do with the fact that once they land on these shores they know they will never leave and have everything handed to them on a plate.

Asylum seekers are given:
Accomodation and £45 a week, or
Accomodation, food and £9.10 aweek.
gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

France offers
Accomodation and 47.60 euros per week. (£41.40)
domasile.info/en/what-social-ri … lum-seeker

So, are they risking their lives in rubber dinghies for £3 per day?

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I can’t believe the Government are that stupid they would be failing this badly over such a flagship policy…

Thing is, I suspect any future government would continue this business of booking up all motels, B&Bs, travelodges, etc. which is going to detriment our “Staycation” economy, forcing people to go abroad all over again when “Abroad” doesn’t need our money - WE do back here in blighty!

I must conclude then that the government are deliberately doing this, to create that mythical creature “Bregretters” out of as many people as possible…

Brexit - wasn’t, shouldn’t be, and isn’t all about “Immigration” but rather Freedom of Movement.
Drawbridge UP - would have solved the Freedom of Movement problem, and that would have then solved the immigration issue as well, and forced UK holidaymakers to take more staycations, which is good and essential for our future economic recovery.

With the “Boats” - all the government had to do was arrest all the skippers of these small vessels for “People Trafficing” - since that is exactly what they are doing, what with the clean high viz, organized passage across the channel always away from France, the shore of origin for such boat people.
I doubt if any at all - come around Brest from the Bay of Biscay direction somehow…

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Sploom:
What I cant understand about this immigration problem is why,if there is a war going on in Syria,ok,you have to get out,I get that,but why would you head for the UK? Are there not massive countries that have the same belif system and ideals?
We are just a small island off the cost if Europe,we are already full up.Whats the attraction of tbe UK?

There is no attraction to the UK. (Apart from that it’s probably the best place in Europe for getting away with employing slave labour.) Far more migrants settle in other countries in Europe - I think Germany took ten times more than the UK. It’s just that out of a million people some will have relatives or know someone in the UK. Certainly not the benefit system.

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We can do what we can to help people in wartorn countries, I suppose we cant do much more than give aid to them but our first priority is the stewardship of our own country.We owe it to future generations.If we turn the UK into something else that it is now,thats a betrayal of our children and grandchildren who ,they are the ones that will deal with the aftermath.Some of these countries,the women have 8 children each.Do the math.
No good using Germany as an examlle,merkel has done colossal damage to that country

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Franglais:

Sploom:
What I cant understand about this immigration problem is why,if there is a war going on in Syria,ok,you have to get out,I get that,but why would you head for the UK? Are there not massive countries that have the same belif system and ideals?
We are just a small island off the cost if Europe,we are already full up.Whats the attraction of tbe UK?

14 million Syrians are displaced from their own homes.
There are about 5.5 million Syrian refugees in the countries surrounding Syria.
In the 5 years to 2021 the UK settled 20 thousand of them in a UNHCR scheme.

unrefugees.org/news/syria-r … explained/
unhcr.org/uk/news/announcem … -and-ahead

The UK is “full up” ? Turkey with it`s recent earthquake destroying homes does what it can for 3.7m Syrians.
That is about 150 times more than the UK.

Of those Syrians displaced one in seven-hundred arrive in the UK. 699 are somewhere else. They aren`t all coming over here, the vast, vast, majority are elsewhere.

We have asylum seekers arriving at this rate before. It is not a unique situation,
Previously we processed asylum seekers in weeks or months. It now takes the Home Office months and years to process them.
That is why we are using more accommodation. If the migrants weren`t being warehoused they could take up employment and pay tax, or be deported.

Braverman is right in one thing. The system is broken.
Who broke it, and who is doing nothing to fix it?

tmcassett:
Our soft approach and over generous benefit’s system. It isn’t about them fleeing for their lives from war torn countries (despite passing through X amount of safe “Western” countries on the way) but more to do with the fact that once they land on these shores they know they will never leave and have everything handed to them on a plate.

Asylum seekers are given:
Accomodation and £45 a week, or
Accomodation, food and £9.10 aweek.
gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

France offers
Accomodation and 47.60 euros per week. (£41.40)
domasile.info/en/what-social-ri … lum-seeker

So, are they risking their lives in rubber dinghies for £3 per day?

Ok so that said why do they leave France and take a dangerous life risking journey if there is little or no incentive,.I mean WHY tf would they even do that …please explain in your OWN words instead of what they want to convince us of.

(Loving the way you keep up the positive and explanatory spin and insist on ramming home (true to form) the official line and terminology of ‘‘Asylum Seekers’’ btw . :laughing: )

A couple of points if you are interested…seeing as you keep on explaining the format of a forum to me :smiley:
You are a brilliant researcher on percentages and official figures so in your own opinion…

How many percent of these ‘‘Asylum Seekers’’ are just downright freeloaders and scroungers,) ? or economic migrants as they are officially known as.

Also do you accept that these types and their motives actually do exist, or am I totally wrong about them.?

In your locality is there a presence?
What demographic make up the vast majority of people in your area?
If you were to ask me that question, my honest answer as you know would be Male between the ages of 18 to 35, as those guys are in abundance here, maybe the type that should be actually fighting these supposed wars that they are reputed to be fleeing from,…a bit like the same type of guys in Ukraine in fact,.who favour sending their wives and kids over instead of themselves ,.aka REFUGEES in their truest form.

I strongly suspect I’m going to get a reply of leftie themed Lilly Allen type b/s, but try and answer without prejudice or obvious allegiance to any political arty, and equal hostility to another,.without (unsucessfully) trying to convince me with some official based link backed up with sarcasm…just for once…(btw the obligatiry insults don’t bother me so knock yerself out if it pleases)
I live in hope…

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Sploom:
We can do what we can to help people in wartorn countries, I suppose we cant do much more than give aid to them but our first priority is the stewardship of our own country.We owe it to future generations.If we turn the UK into something else that it is now,thats a betrayal of our children and grandchildren who ,they are the ones that will deal with the aftermath.Some of these countries,the women have 8 children each.Do the math.
No good using Germany as an examlle,merkel has done colossal damage to that country

:open_mouth: Now that ain’t a very good or typical Christian attitude is it?
What happened to…
‘‘Love they neighbour as thy self.’’
and
‘‘Suffer the little children to come on to me’’ ■■

(And it’s ‘‘Do the MATHS’’… we ain’t American ffs. :unamused: )

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The figures do seem to show other European countries doing more to house refugees, and people are perfectly entitled to highlight this disparity. My question to those who think we aren’t doing enough is; how many of these unfortunates have YOU personally helped either financially or by welcoming them into your homes?

It’s not difficult to walk the walk instead of merely talking the talk you know. Just get in touch with one of the many charities that have sprung up and I’m sure that before you can say God is great you’ll have a houseful and you can hold your head high safe in the knowledge that you are doing your bit.

Over to you.

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Sploom:
We can do what we can to help people in wartorn countries, I suppose we cant do much more than give aid to them but our first priority is the stewardship of our own country.We owe it to future generations.If we turn the UK into something else that it is now,thats a betrayal of our children and grandchildren who ,they are the ones that will deal with the aftermath.Some of these countries,the women have 8 children each.Do the math.
No good using Germany as an examlle,merkel has done colossal damage to that country

What “colossal damage” do you think Merkel has done to Germany I wonder? But that`s an aside.

8 children per woman?
There is a lot of bad information out there about children and population, wealth and religion. In fact there is a lot of bad information about all sorts of things!
Lots of us remember the predictions made when we were kids. As time moves on we get more info, but we tend to remember that which we heard first. We arent stupid, we just dont forget what we learnt before.
We should try to learn about newer info. This applies in all sorts of fields of knowledge.

Heard of Hans Rosling? Here he is on a TED Talk. Under 15 minutes, but best to sit down and concentrate on it, IMHO.
Religion, money, population.

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the maoster:
The figures do seem to show other European countries doing more to house refugees, and people are perfectly entitled to highlight this disparity. My question to those who think we aren’t doing enough is; how many of these unfortunates have YOU personally helped either financially or by welcoming them into your homes?

It’s not difficult to walk the walk instead of merely talking the talk you know. Just get in touch with one of the many charities that have sprung up and I’m sure that before you can say God is great you’ll have a houseful and you can hold your head high safe in the knowledge that you are doing your bit.

Over to you.

Yep exactly mate.
2 families in my home town have taken in a Ukranian girl and her mother with a couple of kids, and a girl with 3 other kids, who are friends of my little grand daughters at school in fact.
The whole community has welcomed them.

I know it’s easy for me to say, but you know (all jokes and insults aside btw :laughing: ) that I don’t talk through my arse or say things to impress or effect others, …but if I was well off and lived in a big house I would have no qualms about taking a family like that in temporarily, …(but maybe not the type of aggressive cocky looking, designer clothes and baseball caps wearing young guys, on their mobile phones who hang around my home city…but I almost forgot, they don’t exist…I’m seeing things innit. :smiley:)

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the maoster:
The figures do seem to show other European countries doing more to house refugees, and people are perfectly entitled to highlight this disparity. My question to those who think we aren’t doing enough is; how many of these unfortunates have YOU personally helped either financially or by welcoming them into your homes?

It’s not difficult to walk the walk instead of merely talking the talk you know. Just get in touch with one of the many charities that have sprung up and I’m sure that before you can say God is great you’ll have a houseful and you can hold your head high safe in the knowledge that you are doing your bit.

Over to you.

Interesting question.
Who will be the first one to be up for a bit of “virtue signalling” a la Lily Allen?

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robroy:

Franglais:

Sploom:
What I cant understand about this immigration problem is why,if there is a war going on in Syria,ok,you have to get out,I get that,but why would you head for the UK? Are there not massive countries that have the same belif system and ideals?
We are just a small island off the cost if Europe,we are already full up.Whats the attraction of tbe UK?

14 million Syrians are displaced from their own homes.
There are about 5.5 million Syrian refugees in the countries surrounding Syria.
In the 5 years to 2021 the UK settled 20 thousand of them in a UNHCR scheme.

unrefugees.org/news/syria-r … explained/
unhcr.org/uk/news/announcem … -and-ahead

The UK is “full up” ? Turkey with it`s recent earthquake destroying homes does what it can for 3.7m Syrians.
That is about 150 times more than the UK.

Of those Syrians displaced one in seven-hundred arrive in the UK. 699 are somewhere else. They aren`t all coming over here, the vast, vast, majority are elsewhere.

We have asylum seekers arriving at this rate before. It is not a unique situation,
Previously we processed asylum seekers in weeks or months. It now takes the Home Office months and years to process them.
That is why we are using more accommodation. If the migrants weren`t being warehoused they could take up employment and pay tax, or be deported.

Braverman is right in one thing. The system is broken.
Who broke it, and who is doing nothing to fix it?

tmcassett:
Our soft approach and over generous benefit’s system. It isn’t about them fleeing for their lives from war torn countries (despite passing through X amount of safe “Western” countries on the way) but more to do with the fact that once they land on these shores they know they will never leave and have everything handed to them on a plate.

Asylum seekers are given:
Accomodation and £45 a week, or
Accomodation, food and £9.10 aweek.
gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

France offers
Accomodation and 47.60 euros per week. (£41.40)
domasile.info/en/what-social-ri … lum-seeker

So, are they risking their lives in rubber dinghies for £3 per day?

Ok so that said why do they leave France and take a dangerous life risking journey if there is little or no incentive,.I mean WHY tf would they even do that …please explain in your OWN words instead of what they want to convince us of.

(Loving the way you keep up the positive and explanatory spin and insist on ramming home (true to form) the official line and terminology of ‘‘Asylum Seekers’’ btw . :laughing: )

A couple of points if you are interested…seeing as you keep on explaining the format of a forum to me :smiley:
You are a brilliant researcher on percentages and official figures so in your own opinion…

How many percent of these ‘‘Asylum Seekers’’ are just downright freeloaders and scroungers,) ? or economic migrants as they are officially known as.

Also do you accept that these types and their motives actually do exist, or am I totally wrong about them.?

In your locality is there a presence?
What demographic make up the vast majority of people in your area?
If you were to ask me that question, my honest answer as you know would be Male between the ages of 18 to 35, as those guys are in abundance here, maybe the type that should be actually fighting these supposed wars that they are reputed to be fleeing from,…a bit like the same type of guys in Ukraine in fact,.who favour sending their wives and kids over instead of themselves ,.aka REFUGEES in their truest form.

I strongly suspect I’m going to get a reply of leftie themed Lilly Allen type b/s, but try and answer without prejudice or obvious allegiance to any political arty, and equal hostility to another,.without (unsucessfully) trying to convince me with some official based link backed up with sarcasm…just for once…(btw the obligatiry insults don’t bother me so knock yerself out if it pleases)
I live in hope…

“Freeloaders and scroungers aka economic migrants”?
Like those who left the UK to seek their fortune in Aus or USA? Or Murdoch who changed nationality to buy US companies?
You really do like to use loaded language don`t you?

And you want to keep politics out of an answer but yourself talk of “leftie themed… b/s”.

Why do some come here on rubber boats?
For many of those who have relatives here, there is no safe legal route open to them.
youtube.com/watch?v=6Nhl87CLU70&t=28s

As has been said on this thread many times, an office opened in France would pretty much stop all the boats.
Apply for asylum in the UK whilst in France.
If granted, good come on in. If refused, and later arrive illegally in the UK, then no need for hotels etc while claims are investigated, ship `em out directly.

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robroy:

Sploom:
We can do what we can to help people in wartorn countries, I suppose we cant do much more than give aid to them but our first priority is the stewardship of our own country.We owe it to future generations.If we turn the UK into something else that it is now,thats a betrayal of our children and grandchildren who ,they are the ones that will deal with the aftermath.Some of these countries,the women have 8 children each.Do the math.
No good using Germany as an examlle,merkel has done colossal damage to that country

:open_mouth: Now that ain’t a very good or typical Christian attitude is it?
What happened to…
‘‘Love they neighbour as thy self.’’
and
‘‘Suffer the little children to come on to me’’ ■■

(And it’s ‘‘Do the MATHS’’… we ain’t American ffs. :unamused: )

The Christian thing to do, For example, someone who’s built over 3000 churches, and wants to make a difference further afield - would be to remove the most evil regime type of the past century, the Army of Darkness - even if the rest of the world rallys behind that dark enemy with their lies, cheats, steals, and bearing of false witness as that noble leader attempted to go about God’s business…