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I also don’t believe most governments are capable of orchestrating such long winded, complex plans such as 911, the banking crises etc. I think incompetence unfortunately had a hand in their doing, NOT competence!!

Can you honestly see the likes of Gordon Brown, Maggie Thatcher, Gerhard Schroeder right through to present day politicians and others being organised and careful enough to cover such complex plans up for thirty or forty years?? Me either.

And for what end?

If the great and good are trying to create a stable economic climate (to maximise revenue fields) or trying to achieve strategic successes in places like the Middle East to secure oils and other resources , they’re doing a crap job of it :laughing:

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I’ve got to say I’m very firmly in the anti-immigration camp. That’s nothing to do with “racism”, but simply the fact that we have insufficient housing for the people who are here, this has in some parts of the country reached crisis point, with people living in sheds and garages in their thousands. Unless we are prepared to relax development rules and allow the housing to be built which is needed, then we have to take a much firmer stance on immigration, particularly unauthorised immigration.

According to the ONS the population of the UK is 62.8 million. However…

Many observers think the UK’s population is much bigger. A leading figure at Tesco recently told one of my parliamentary colleagues that they estimate the population of the UK to be closer to 80 million, based on the volume of certain staples they sell. Tesco are probably a world leader in understanding their consumer market, so it would be foolish to disregard their opinion.

(Greg Hands, Conservative M.P February 2008)

So, all of this pushes the cost of accommodation ever upwards, and the value of labour ever downwards. Just as in John Steinbeck’s “The Grapes of Wrath”, mass migration benefits nobody but the landowner/ rentier/ factory owner class. For too long now, anything other than the complete embracing of uncontrolled mass immigration has led to the “R” word being flung at anybody not prepared to toe the line and be the archetypal “turkey voting for Christmas”.

Well, that’s my two penn’orth anyway. :stuck_out_tongue:

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The Rothschild’s are the bankers for the Bilderberg types, it surely cannot be in question that they pull the strings of their puppet governments.

Look back at recent history, no matter who has been in power, left or right, the same ■■■■ has happened. Wars, banking crisis, property crashes, the super rich are immune from the effects, not only immune, they prosper from such things.

Go back to the Dr Kelly farce, the bloke stated there were no WMDs in Iraq, weeks later he’s found dead in a park from self inflicted shotgun wounds… Really?

I don’t buy into all the conspiracy stuff, but when you look at the consequences of the so called false flag events you can see that they have a point.

After 9/11 the pride of America was restored, they didn’t need a draft as they did in Vietnam, people were volunteering in droves to pop a cap in the A-Rabs asses, this also reduced unemployment figures dramatically as the American taxpayer was now footing the bill for the previously soon to be unemployed small town American soldier.

Then to leap ahead a few chapters, we have all the monitoring of cyberspace, any group planning an uprising or protest is soon identified and stopped.

What used to be hidden is now, thanks to social media, available for everyone to see, if you choose to look.

It’s OK to dismiss all this, but only if you’ve seen both sides and have made a considered decision, just dismissing it out of hand because of its outrageousness is exactly what their propaganda machine wants you to do…

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newmercman:
The Rothschild’s are the bankers for the Bilderberg types, it surely cannot be in question that they pull the strings of their puppet governments.

Look back at recent history, no matter who has been in power, left or right, the same [zb] has happened. Wars, banking crisis, property crashes, the super rich are immune from the effects, not only immune, they prosper from such things.

Go back to the Dr Kelly farce, the bloke stated there were no WMDs in Iraq, weeks later he’s found dead in a park from self inflicted shotgun wounds… Really?

I don’t buy into all the conspiracy stuff, but when you look at the consequences of the so called false flag events you can see that they have a point.

After 9/11 the pride of America was restored, they didn’t need a draft as they did in Vietnam, people were volunteering in droves to pop a cap in the A-Rabs asses, this also reduced unemployment figures dramatically as the American taxpayer was now footing the bill for the previously soon to be unemployed small town American soldier.

Then to leap ahead a few chapters, we have all the monitoring of cyberspace, any group planning an uprising or protest is soon identified and stopped.

What used to be hidden is now, thanks to social media, available for everyone to see, if you choose to look.

It’s OK to dismiss all this, but only if you’ve seen both sides and have made a considered decision, just dismissing it out of hand because of its outrageousness is exactly what their propaganda machine wants you to do…

It is possible that much of the type of goings on that you describe involve conspiracies of one form or another.However if you want to find any conspiracy the usual question who gains from this applies and is the best way of finding it.At the moment all of the zb that’s happened at least since the assassination of Kennedy points to Communism and the ruling Communist Party elites and their stooges in the West.

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Follow the money…

Then you’ll find the answers.

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newmercman:
Follow the money…

Then you’ll find the answers.

What is certain in that case is that the Chinese Communist Party ain’t short of western cash.Or at least western real estate and luxury goods and food stuffs now it knows western cash is worth nothing to it. :bulb:

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So that would make Nostradamus correct in his watch out for the yellow people prophecy…

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newmercman:
The Rothschild’s are the bankers for the Bilderberg types, it surely cannot be in question that they pull the strings of their puppet governments.

Look back at recent history, no matter who has been in power, left or right, the same [zb] has happened. Wars, banking crisis, property crashes, the super rich are immune from the effects, not only immune, they prosper from such things.

Go back to the Dr Kelly farce, the bloke stated there were no WMDs in Iraq, weeks later he’s found dead in a park from self inflicted shotgun wounds… Really?

I don’t buy into all the conspiracy stuff, but when you look at the consequences of the so called false flag events you can see that they have a point.

After 9/11 the pride of America was restored, they didn’t need a draft as they did in Vietnam, people were volunteering in droves to pop a cap in the A-Rabs asses, this also reduced unemployment figures dramatically as the American taxpayer was now footing the bill for the previously soon to be unemployed small town American soldier.

Then to leap ahead a few chapters, we have all the monitoring of cyberspace, any group planning an uprising or protest is soon identified and stopped.

What used to be hidden is now, thanks to social media, available for everyone to see, if you choose to look.

It’s OK to dismiss all this, but only if you’ve seen both sides and have made a considered decision, just dismissing it out of hand because of its outrageousness is exactly what their propaganda machine wants you to do…

  1. Yes, of course its in question. But then conspiracy theorists hate being questioned, they just want you to fall for the theory they are spinning.

  2. I’ve read extensively on this subject. And I’ve come to my own conclusions that most of it is rubbish. Conspiracy theorists at their own worst enemy. They cry wolf so often no one listens. There are conspiracies that need to be uncovered, but no one is listening to the likes of Inforwars or Prison Planet because they link every little event to the Rothschilds or Bilderburgs. Is funny how despite them being all powerful they cant stop the likes of Alex Jones at Infowars or Paul whatever his name is at Prison Planet. Surely if they were that powerful all these conspiracy theorists would be shut up at the drop of a hat.

I looked at it all and just don’t believe most of what they say. I think the idea that there is this big world conspiracy controlling us all is giving the human race credit for being a lot cleverer we actually are. Go debate with a conspiracy theorist on twitter, they hate being questioned, which says a lot in my opinion.

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newmercman:
So that would make Nostradamus correct in his watch out for the yellow people prophecy…

‘If’ his predictions are right.

One might be a co incidence but not both. :open_mouth: :bulb:

Which just leaves the question of Oswald’s ‘removal’ from the scene’.Not just because he was a patsy but because he also knew ‘who’ was working on the inside for the Communists.The ‘Communists’ in question obviously not being the ones they were made out to be in all the hype of Oswald’s big Russian show.In which case the trail leads to Nixon and Reagan ( and Thatcher :question: ). :bulb:

businessinsider.com/nostrada … 014-5?op=1

c-span.org/video/?107544-1/p … agan-china

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switchlogic:

newmercman:
The Rothschild’s are the bankers for the Bilderberg types, it surely cannot be in question that they pull the strings of their puppet governments.

Look back at recent history, no matter who has been in power, left or right, the same [zb] has happened. Wars, banking crisis, property crashes, the super rich are immune from the effects, not only immune, they prosper from such things.

Go back to the Dr Kelly farce, the bloke stated there were no WMDs in Iraq, weeks later he’s found dead in a park from self inflicted shotgun wounds… Really?

I don’t buy into all the conspiracy stuff, but when you look at the consequences of the so called false flag events you can see that they have a point.

After 9/11 the pride of America was restored, they didn’t need a draft as they did in Vietnam, people were volunteering in droves to pop a cap in the A-Rabs asses, this also reduced unemployment figures dramatically as the American taxpayer was now footing the bill for the previously soon to be unemployed small town American soldier.

Then to leap ahead a few chapters, we have all the monitoring of cyberspace, any group planning an uprising or protest is soon identified and stopped.

What used to be hidden is now, thanks to social media, available for everyone to see, if you choose to look.

It’s OK to dismiss all this, but only if you’ve seen both sides and have made a considered decision, just dismissing it out of hand because of its outrageousness is exactly what their propaganda machine wants you to do…

  1. Yes, of course its in question. But then conspiracy theorists hate being questioned, they just want you to fall for the theory they are spinning.

  2. I’ve read extensively on this subject. And I’ve come to my own conclusions that most of it is rubbish. Conspiracy theorists at their own worst enemy. They cry wolf so often no one listens. There are conspiracies that need to be uncovered, but no one is listening to the likes of Inforwars or Prison Planet because they link every little event to the Rothschilds or Bilderburgs. Is funny how despite them being all powerful they cant stop the likes of Alex Jones at Infowars or Paul whatever his name is at Prison Planet. Surely if they were that powerful all these conspiracy theorists would be shut up at the drop of a hat.

I looked at it all and just don’t believe most of what they say. I think the idea that there is this big world conspiracy controlling us all is giving the human race credit for being a lot cleverer we actually are. Go debate with a conspiracy theorist on twitter, they hate being questioned, which says a lot in my opinion.

I hear you, but as you say, they cannot be wrong all the time. In any case seeing both sides before making any decision is, as in justice and law, fundamental to making the correct decision.

On the other side of the coin, remember that if the claims being made are so outrageous as to be scarcely believable then the ‘guilty parties’ have nothing to lose by the claims as the majority will shake their head in disbelief and move on to the latest installment of Big Brother or Britain’s got talent.

Remember sometimes truth is stranger than fiction…

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newmercman:
On the other side of the coin, remember that if the claims being made are so outrageous as to be scarcely believable then the ‘guilty parties’ have nothing to lose by the claims as the majority will shake their head in disbelief and move on to the latest installment of Big Brother or Britain’s got talent.

Remember sometimes truth is stranger than fiction…

In this case it’s more like a combination of both.IE the plan was look look Oswald was working for the Russians we know this because of his ( all too obvious ) Communist Russian connections.How many other American citizens were flying off to Russia to set up home with a Russian wife at the time.

Then he miraculously manages to return home and shoot the President who’s conveniently travelling in an open top car ( with admissions around 50 years later that the fatal shot ‘might’ ‘possibly’ have been fired by a bodyguard who let off a round from an Armalite rifle by mistake ).Meanwhile Oswald mysteriously gets shot while in police custody.Fast forward 10 years when all the heat cools down and Nixon is busy ‘making friends’ with the Communist government in China which Reagan then builds on.The rest is history.Who needs the Bilderberg group,when the answer to the questions,who are the relevant people and who gains from this,are as clear as it gets.

As for Kelly same question same answer.

nytimes.com/2013/06/03/world … d=all&_r=0

IE who’d ever believe that the US Republican Party was working with the Chinese Commies.Best get back to the next installment of Peyton Place.

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So we are watching the same game, but with different players, I’m not convinced by the communist theory though, elitist yes, but not necessarily the Chinese Communist, who are quasi capitalists anyway.

My theory on that is that the Bilderberg types are lulling the Chinese in to a false sense of security and when the Chinese believe they have the west by the ■■■■■■■■, due to their ‘ownership’ of western assets and currency, the Bilderbergs will devalue it all and seize control back from over extended China.

It could get them in a spot of bother, the Chinese are pretty nasty when they’ve got the hump, although as usual it will be the blue collar types that will come to grief in any war.

It’s just a big game…

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newmercman:
So we are watching the same game, but with different players, I’m not convinced by the communist theory though, elitist yes, but not necessarily the Chinese Communist, who are quasi capitalists anyway.

My theory on that is that the Bilderberg types are lulling the Chinese in to a false sense of security and when the Chinese believe they have the west by the ■■■■■■■■, due to their ‘ownership’ of western assets and currency, the Bilderbergs will devalue it all and seize control back from over extended China.

It could get them in a spot of bother, the Chinese are pretty nasty when they’ve got the hump, although as usual it will be the blue collar types that will come to grief in any war.

It’s just a big game…

Which leaves the question what remains of your view of ‘who’ makes up the ‘players’.Bearing in mind that Capitalism had long been going along the Fordist route by the time Nixon came to power having rightly rejected it’s flawed greed driven previous branch which caused the 1920’s/30’s economic crash.

Which just leaves the choice between Fordist Capitalism or elitist exploitative Communism Chinese style.IE there is no ‘quasi Capitalism’ third way.There are only two forms of Capitalism one of which was proved to be a loser for all concerned.If you’ve deducted all that’s possible that just leaves one possibility regardless of how implausible.

youtube.com/watch?v=02eULOTP6CA

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switchlogic:
I think the idea that there is this big world conspiracy controlling us all is giving the human race credit for being a lot cleverer we actually are.

You think the Americans are Philanthropists ? :smiley:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_U. … ge_actions

Just wait till the conspiracy theorists find out the CIA run Google !! :laughing: :laughing:

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Silver_Surfer:
Poverty is relative, none of us here have tasted true hunger or despair.

Sat night,last shift of the week,stood staring at some metal gates for 5 hrs because some back door zb won’t tip you until your booking time ,I’ve experienced hunger pains,despair and even suicidal tendencies

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Mike-C:

switchlogic:
I think the idea that there is this big world conspiracy controlling us all is giving the human race credit for being a lot cleverer we actually are.

You think the Americans are Philanthropists ? :smiley:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_U. … ge_actions

Just wait till the conspiracy theorists find out the CIA run Google !! :laughing: :laughing:

The question as usual being who gains from this and who is America actually working for and why.

thediplomat.com/2014/07/chinas-g … th-america

csmonitor.com/World/2012/030 … ney/Angola

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Mike-C:

switchlogic:
I think the idea that there is this big world conspiracy controlling us all is giving the human race credit for being a lot cleverer we actually are.

You think the Americans are Philanthropists ? :smiley:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_U. … ge_actions

Just wait till the conspiracy theorists find out the CIA run Google !! :laughing: :laughing:

Where on earth did I say I think the Americans are philanthropists?! Come on now, don’t do a Carryfast and put words in my mouth

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Where did all this lot work?
People like John Redwood, who challenged John Major for the leadership, and Norman Lamont, at the helm when Britain got forced out of the ERM.

Give you a clue it wasn’t Stobarts

Baron George - Governor of the Bank of England (1993—2003)
Thierry Breton - French Minister of Economy, Finance and Industry (2005—2007)
Gerhard Schröder - Chancellor of Germany (1998—2005)
Liam Byrne - Minister of State at the Home Office (2006—2010); Minister of State at Her Majesty’s Treasury (2008—2010)
John Kingman - Chief Executive of UK Financial Investments Limited
Baron Lamont of Lerwick - Member of the British Parliament (1972—1997); Chancellor of the Exchequer (1990—93)
Sir Edwin Leather - Member of the British Parliament (1950—1964); Governor of Bermuda (1973—1977)
Oliver Letwin - Chairman of the Conservative Research Department; Minister of State for Policy
René Mayer - President of France (1953)
Baron Neuberger of Abbotsbury - Lord of Appeal in Ordinary (2007—present)
Georges Pompidou - President of France (1969—1974)
John Redwood - Member of the British Parliament (1987—present)
Felix Rohatyn - United States Ambassador to France (1997—2000)
Goh Keng Swee - Deputy Prime Minister of Singapore (1973-1984); Minister of Finance (1959-1965;1967-1970)
Baron Wakeham - Leader of the House of Lords (1992—1994); Leader of the House of Commons (1987—1989)
Armed forces[edit]
General Baron Guthrie of Craigiebank - Chief of the General Staff (1994—1997); Chief of the Defence Staff (1997—2001)

Then have a look at the illustrious list of Rhodes scholars, like US president Bill Clinton, countless other heads of states and heads of the CIA, NATO and the like:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rhodes_Scholars

So where did this Oxford University scholarship come from that propels such incredible numbers of people to the highest possible levels of power and influence in their respective home countries:

Known as an old and prestigious international graduate scholarship,[11] the Rhodes Scholarships are administered and awarded by the Rhodes Trust, which was established in 1902 under the terms and conditions of the will of Cecil John Rhodes, and funded by his estate under the administration of Nathan Rothschild

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Own Account Driver:
Where did all this lot work?
People like John Redwood, who challenged John Major for the leadership, and Norman Lamont, at the helm when Britain got forced out of the ERM.

Give you a clue it wasn’t Stobarts

Baron George - Governor of the Bank of England (1993—2003)
Thierry Breton - French Minister of Economy, Finance and Industry (2005—2007)
Gerhard Schröder - Chancellor of Germany (1998—2005)
Liam Byrne - Minister of State at the Home Office (2006—2010); Minister of State at Her Majesty’s Treasury (2008—2010)
John Kingman - Chief Executive of UK Financial Investments Limited
Baron Lamont of Lerwick - Member of the British Parliament (1972—1997); Chancellor of the Exchequer (1990—93)
Sir Edwin Leather - Member of the British Parliament (1950—1964); Governor of Bermuda (1973—1977)
Oliver Letwin - Chairman of the Conservative Research Department; Minister of State for Policy
René Mayer - President of France (1953)
Baron Neuberger of Abbotsbury - Lord of Appeal in Ordinary (2007—present)
Georges Pompidou - President of France (1969—1974)
John Redwood - Member of the British Parliament (1987—present)
Felix Rohatyn - United States Ambassador to France (1997—2000)
Goh Keng Swee - Deputy Prime Minister of Singapore (1973-1984); Minister of Finance (1959-1965;1967-1970)
Baron Wakeham - Leader of the House of Lords (1992—1994); Leader of the House of Commons (1987—1989)
Armed forces[edit]
General Baron Guthrie of Craigiebank - Chief of the General Staff (1994—1997); Chief of the Defence Staff (1997—2001)

Then have a look at the illustrious list of Rhodes scholars, like US president Bill Clinton, countless other heads of states and heads of the CIA, NATO and the like:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rhodes_Scholars

So where did this Oxford University scholarship come from that propels such incredible numbers of people to the highest possible levels of power and influence in their respective home countries:

Known as an old and prestigious international graduate scholarship,[11] the Rhodes Scholarships are administered and awarded by the Rhodes Trust, which was established in 1902 under the terms and conditions of the will of Cecil John Rhodes, and funded by his estate under the administration of Nathan Rothschild

Ah those well known philanthropists N M Rothschild & Sons.

Like I said… Follow the money…

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bazza123:
I also don’t believe most governments are capable of orchestrating such long winded, complex plans such as 911, the banking crises etc. I think incompetence unfortunately had a hand in their doing, NOT competence!!

Can you honestly see the likes of Gordon Brown, Maggie Thatcher, Gerhard Schroeder right through to present day politicians and others being organised and careful enough to cover such complex plans up for thirty or forty years?? Me either.

And for what end?

If the great and good are trying to create a stable economic climate (to maximise revenue fields) or trying to achieve strategic successes in places like the Middle East to secure oils and other resources , they’re doing a crap job of it :laughing:

Probably not but see my list above for his former employer.

Oil and the middle east is a bit of a red herring look at the strategy as neutralising threats to the state of Israel and it will make a lot more sense.

Israel was created by the Balfour declaration which was a letter from Britain’s then foreign secretary to a certain someone. Some might guess from what prominent banking family that someone was, if you can’t click here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Ever wonder why they stopped teaching much history in schools.