newmercman:
OK imagine you’re an Afghani Sikh, you are being persecuted out of your homeland, would you go to another poor country or would you go to a place that offers you so much more?
You can’t blame the players, they never made the rules…
That’s the issue it’s time to change ‘the rules’ but the socialist/cheap labour alliance want us to keep the open door immigration scam going.While obviously blaming the results on ‘traffickers’ etc in order to hide where the real blame is.In the case of a ‘persecuted Sikh’ the Punjab is their homeland not Afghanistan and certainly not England.They might not earn as much money in the Punjab for the same job but that’s their problem to sort out not ours.The fact is asylum is ‘supposed’ to be about safety not economics and India isn’t a dangerous place for it’s population but it is a poor one.Just like Victorian and early 20th Century Britain was for the average worker. 
I still think yous should make England look worst so they go somewere else
Yes the rules need changing, I still disagree with the rest of it though, I was born in inner city London, we never even had a bath ffs, should I have stayed there? If I used your rules I wouldn’t have had a choice…
newmercman:
Yes the rules need changing, I still disagree with the rest of it though, I was born in inner city London, we never even had a bath ffs, should I have stayed there? If I used your rules I wouldn’t have had a choice…
My grandparents lived in and raised my parents in Victorian housing in Surrey’s County town of Kingston with outside toilet no bathroom and no electricity and couldn’t afford the coal to heat anything more than one of the small living rooms.There was only one way my parents generation were ever going to be better off than their parents and that was by standing their ground and fighting for it.Firstly by having to get a small matter of a world war out of the way.Then against their own government and greed driven employers.Supporting the importation of cheap immigrant labour by applying bleeding heart socialist ideology to such immigration,was never going to help that cause.
bbc.co.uk/news/business-15346605
Ah, but we did need immigration then, many young men died in the war, replacements were sourced from within the empire.
newmercman:
Ah, but we did need immigration then, many young men died in the war, replacements were sourced from within the empire.
In which case we would have had negative if not at least zero unemployment rate in 1946-1950 when in fact it was running at between 1-2%.Total military casualties were around 330,000 out of a total uk population of 46,000,000+.
It would’ve been a lot more than that, women that stayed at home (most in those days) were not classed as unemployed, now they are. That would skew the numbers somewhat.
newmercman:
It would’ve been a lot more than that, women that stayed at home (most in those days) were not classed as unemployed, now they are. That would skew the numbers somewhat.
So would you agree that the idea that we needed to import labour because we were supposedly in a situation of at least zero,let alone negative,unemployment is just part of the cheap labour agenda’s propaganda.In view of the fact that we had at least higher than zero unemployment at the time let alone since.
No I’m going to disagree on principle. The immigration in the 50s and 60s never contributed to the unemployment figures since, many other factors have caused that, mostly the inept decisions of the tossers in Westminster and Brussels.
newmercman:
No I’m going to disagree on principle. The immigration in the 50s and 60s never contributed to the unemployment figures since, many other factors have caused that, mostly the inept decisions of the tossers in Westminster and Brussels.
The actual question being what other reason could there be,for importing labour,into a higher than negative,let alone higher than zero,unemployment rate environment,other than to oversupply that labour market thereby reducing wage rates.
The fact that labour importation scam was specifically targeted at the less developed ‘commonwealth’ countries,as opposed to the richer more developed ones,adds even more weight to that accusation.In addition to the fact that the indigenous workforce here was never given the same rights,to live and work in those more developed richer commonwealth countries,as those from the poorer ones were given to live and work here.
IE an institutional greed driven cheap labour scam along hhistoric lines which prove that it was nothing to do with any ‘Bilderberg’ group.It was/is just typical flawed UK government economics that were/are all about short term profits for the employers at the expense of the nation’s economy and in this case national identity.
You don’t get it do you!
Post war the economy was booming, there was a shortage of man due to casualties of war, so fit able bodied men were needed to do the donkey work. Now where could they be found? Ah, the British Empire, not Australia, Canada or New Zealand, they had their own similar situation, but there were plenty of bodies in India, Pakistan, the West Indies and they could also draw on the boys across the Irish Sea, who were having some poverty issues, due to a lack of industry in the south and the sectarian nature of employment in the six counties.
It was a masterstroke, but a planned one, the new immigrant workers were prepared to work for much less than the going rate, which had risen significantly due to the job market being in favour of the workers as a consequence of near zero unemployment. The 1 or 2% that were unemployed were most likely up to some kind of thievery, so it was basically zero unemployment.
The ministers didn’t come up with the idea on their own, it came from their old school chums from Eton, Harrow, Oxford and Cambridge. They were struggling to make the most of the booming economy and needed their political bum chums to change laws and policies to suit them.
The same thing us happening now, but it has progressed to the current situation, Britain no longer needs workers as there is hardly any industry anymore, but it does make a convenient dumping ground for all the ■■■■ in Europe.
newmercman:
You don’t get it do you!
Post war the economy was booming, there was a shortage of man due to casualties of war, so fit able bodied men were needed to do the donkey work. Now where could they be found? Ah, the British Empire, not Australia, Canada or New Zealand, they had their own similar situation, but there were plenty of bodies in India, Pakistan, the West Indies and they could also draw on the boys across the Irish Sea, who were having some poverty issues, due to a lack of industry in the south and the sectarian nature of employment in the six counties.
It was a masterstroke, but a planned one, the new immigrant workers were prepared to work for much less than the going rate, which had risen significantly due to the job market being in favour of the workers as a consequence of near zero unemployment. The 1 or 2% that were unemployed were most likely up to some kind of thievery, so it was basically zero unemployment.
The ministers didn’t come up with the idea on their own, it came from their old school chums from Eton, Harrow, Oxford and Cambridge. They were struggling to make the most of the booming economy and needed their political bum chums to change laws and policies to suit them.
The same thing us happening now, but it has progressed to the current situation, Britain no longer needs workers as there is hardly any industry anymore, but it does make a convenient dumping ground for all the [zb] in Europe.
I do get it.How could there possibly have been a ‘shortage’ of indigenous labour after the war when we went into it with an 8% unemployment rate and still had a 1-2% best case unemployment rate for around 5 years after it.Then things just got worse again in that regard.While we’ve still got the same policy of making sure that there’s strict quotas and controls on inter indigenous labour transfer between the old country and it’s colonies.While applying what is still effectively an open door immigration policy in the case of the import of third world labour.The whole thing is a Brit cheap labour scam not an EU dumping one.The EU is just trying to make sure that it doesn’t get caught up in it all by getting all the immigrants in question here across the channel where the UK government wants them ASAP.
So do you really think that the government are free thinkers that came up with the idea on their own?
They have never given a toss about the public, look at the blood that Blair has on his hands, Thatcher was no different, she sent men to their death over the Falkland Islands and wtf we want with them makes no sense at all, it’s like the Isle of Wight being Argentinian. There’s oil or some other precious commodity lurking around there and I’m sure we’ll find out about it once they’ve destroyed the middle east and are in control of the oil contained within.
The government have always been puppets to the Bilderberg types and they always will be.
newmercman:
So do you really think that the government are free thinkers that came up with the idea on their own?
They have never given a toss about the public, look at the blood that Blair has on his hands, Thatcher was no different, she sent men to their death over the Falkland Islands and wtf we want with them makes no sense at all, it’s like the Isle of Wight being Argentinian. There’s oil or some other precious commodity lurking around there and I’m sure we’ll find out about it once they’ve destroyed the middle east and are in control of the oil contained within.
The government have always been puppets to the Bilderberg types and they always will be.
Newmercman your are on the money, your points can not be argued with.
No doubt somebody will have a go.
wired4smoke:
newmercman:
So do you really think that the government are free thinkers that came up with the idea on their own?
They have never given a toss about the public, look at the blood that Blair has on his hands, Thatcher was no different, she sent men to their death over the Falkland Islands and wtf we want with them makes no sense at all, it’s like the Isle of Wight being Argentinian. There’s oil or some other precious commodity lurking around there and I’m sure we’ll find out about it once they’ve destroyed the middle east and are in control of the oil contained within.
The government have always been puppets to the Bilderberg types and they always will be.
Newmercman your are on the money, your points can not be argued with.
No doubt somebody will have a go.
Thank you, I’m glad I’m not alone in my opinions, it sure feels like it sometimes…
They argue this party that party, there not the wheel, there only the nuts holding in on.
Have Bilderburg taken over from the Rothschilds now? 
newmercman:
So do you really think that the government are free thinkers that came up with the idea on their own?
They have never given a toss about the public, look at the blood that Blair has on his hands, Thatcher was no different, she sent men to their death over the Falkland Islands and wtf we want with them makes no sense at all, it’s like the Isle of Wight being Argentinian. There’s oil or some other precious commodity lurking around there and I’m sure we’ll find out about it once they’ve destroyed the middle east and are in control of the oil contained within.
The government have always been puppets to the Bilderberg types and they always will be.
At the time,being an anti Thatcherite,I was one of the minority ( possibly majority considering her actual vote as a proportion of the electorate ) amongst the population who realised that the Falklands was all about Maggie’s election campaign and nothing to do with it being worth the lives and money involved in keeping the place.You’ve obviously then forgot to include her actions in destroying our mining industry.Being able to blame all that on some mysterious tin foil hatter strange world government is just another diversion tactic.The fact is we’ve simply let the wrong type of Capitalism,that’s closer to Communism in it’s ideology,( IE exploitation of the masses to benefit an elite chosen few ) take over.When as I’ve said the difference between that and Fordist Capitalism can’t be over emphasised.The idea of a ‘global free market economy’ and the over supply of the labour market using cheap imported labour being an obvious component of the former of those systems.
I’ve never understood these bilderburg group type of conspiracy theories. If they are trying to rule the world then they aren’t very good at it are they? You would think that all these top brains in one room could come up with at least a half decent plan for ■■■■■■■■■■. Then again I always think, to what end?
They believe they already have world ■■■■■■■■■■! And that every little thing that happened in the world is down to them and has a reason. Every terrorist attack is a false flag event, every war is their doing. The latest theory is that the journalist killing video was made by the CIA. No doubt there are some conspiracies but conspiracy theorists damage their own image by blaming everything that happens on Rothschilds or the Bilderburg group. I just don’t believe the human race is that easy to manipulate. The world is full of people with their own self interests doing their own thing. Yes there are some very powerful people but no one has every government in the world in their pocket. In my opinion.