I think we can all be thankful that Carryfast has never had the chance to breed. Natural selection at its finest* 
Oh and thank you for the mention Mr NMM. 
- I am aware of the irony of me saying this
Again youâre making assumptions, I initially came to Canada because I was having a mid life crisis and wanted to drive a big yank tank around Nth America. It wasnât a considered choice, I made a why the â â â â not decision and jumped on a plane.
My life in Britain, financially at least, was much better than it is in Canada and I never worked half as much as I do now.
I moved from London into the suburbs, so I never lived in a ghetto full of immigrants, nothing much has changed in my old area according to my friends who still live there.
In reality the only thing that has changed is the crap in the daily papers, instead of reading about Lady Diâs latest dress or the shenanigans of one of the no marks from big brother, theyâre now full of vitriol aimed at the foreigner.
Have a little look at how Hitler worked his way into power, itâs happening right under our noses, our politicians are removing our freedoms one by one, theyâre under orders from their paymasters in big business.
switchlogic:
I think we can all be thankful that Carryfast has never had the chance to breed. Natural selection at its finest*Oh and thank you for the mention Mr NMM.
- I am aware of the irony of me saying this
:lol::lol:
Carryfest sure nearly every American today is descendent from immigrants
newmercman:
Youâre making assumptions about me using your own beliefs though CFâŚI have woken up or been reborn if you like, I used to be a bit of a bigot, not full of hatred like some, but I was no fan of minorities. However I come to realise that wasnât my own personal view, I had just bought in to the propaganda.
Luke and this forum can take some credit for that as it happens, in a thread that descended into chaos I realised that â â â â â â orientation is not a choice, in much the same way as the colour of your skin is not a choice.
Living where I now live has also contributed, as some of you know I live deep in the bible belt of Canada and when my neighbours try to get me to join their church my response is why did you choose to be a Christian? They answer that itâs because itâs the way, the truth etc etc. My response is would you have been a Christian if you had been born in Iraq, or India? In short they didnât have a choice, they were brainwashed from birth.
The same applies to people moving for a better life, I did it myself, luckily I didnât have to do it illegally, but if I was in the same position as that lot in Calais (or wherever) you can bet your â â â â â â â â that I would do exactly the same.
I understand all the implications of there not being a big enough pie to feed everyone, but do you expect them (or me) to care, theyâre starving, so theyâre going to try and eat.
The World is a mess, the 1% holding 99% of the wealth is ridiculous, but even more ridiculous is the countries with the poorest people are often the richest in resources. Africa is full of oil, diamonds and gold, three of the most valuable things in the world, yet the elite have kept the native population in the dark ages, they stir up tribal hatred and instead of giving the people education, healthcare and food, they give them guns.
The situation in the M/E is all rooted in oil, the propaganda machine will have you believe that itâs because the Arab is just a nutjob and because of the way theyâve been mistreated, by their own 1% as well as ours, theyâre living up to the reputation bestowed upon them.
Theyâre stirring the pot so much that there will be bloodshed on a biblical scale in the not too distant future and you can bet that the elite will not suffer any casualties, on the contrary, theyâll just carry on making money and getting more control over whatâs left of the 99%.
All this immigration stuff is tactical on their part, they know the Brit can have a decent tear up, thatâs why they have instructed their puppets in Westminster to decimate our armed forces and now theyâre filling the country with immigrants so we turn on them and not see who the real enemy is.
There are many cliches to describe whatâs going on here, divide and conquer, all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing, blah blah blah.
That was a long one !! I make you bang on the money though.
Interesting posts Newmercman,
Iâve often felt it suits those who are really in power to pit groups of workers or people from different backgrounds against each other, otherwise weâd might realise who is causing the real problems. It also suits them to have a terrorist threat, as they can use it as an excuse for even more suvielence of the population.
US and European govenments have a long history of meddling in the Middle East, and rarely for the benifit of the local population.
but then donât the USA have the same sort of problem with Mexico and how do they cope 
newmercman:
Again youâre making assumptions, I initially came to Canada because I was having a mid life crisis and wanted to drive a big yank tank around Nth America. It wasnât a considered choice, I made a why the [zb] not decision and jumped on a plane.My life in Britain, financially at least, was much better than it is in Canada and I never worked half as much as I do now.
I moved from London into the suburbs, so I never lived in a ghetto full of immigrants, nothing much has changed in my old area according to my friends who still live there.
In reality the only thing that has changed is the crap in the daily papers, instead of reading about Lady Diâs latest dress or the shenanigans of one of the no marks from big brother, theyâre now full of vitriol aimed at the foreigner.
Have a little look at how Hitler worked his way into power, itâs happening right under our noses, our politicians are removing our freedoms one by one, theyâre under orders from their paymasters in big business.
So by that logic would you have been just as happy to move to South America or Africa to drive a yank tank.If not why not. 
As for âvitriolâ aimed at foreignersâ not exactly.Itâs more often a case of a bunch of foreigners having moved here because they arenât good enough to make their own countries worth living in.Thereby inevitably turning ours into what are often effectively colonies of what they left behind.Meanwhile examples like Lee Rigbyâs murder let alone the threat we face in the long term from our immigrant Muslim population says everything about who is aiming vitriol at who and the foresight contained in Powellâs speeches regarding the issue of our open door immigration policies.
irish lorries:
Carryfest sure nearly every American today is descendent from immigrants
Yes but America would have been a lot different without the original Anglo Saxon/Germanic/Celtic components of that immigration.The difference being that between South America/Mexico as opposed to North America for example.Which just leaves the question of forced ethnic African slave labour to make a few people rich having resulted in a net loss and destabilising influence to US society.Than if it hadnât have happened.
Mike-C:
newmercman:
Youâre making assumptions about me using your own beliefs though CFâŚI have woken up or been reborn if you like, I used to be a bit of a bigot, not full of hatred like some, but I was no fan of minorities. However I come to realise that wasnât my own personal view, I had just bought in to the propaganda.
Luke and this forum can take some credit for that as it happens, in a thread that descended into chaos I realised that â â â â â â orientation is not a choice, in much the same way as the colour of your skin is not a choice.
Living where I now live has also contributed, as some of you know I live deep in the bible belt of Canada and when my neighbours try to get me to join their church my response is why did you choose to be a Christian? They answer that itâs because itâs the way, the truth etc etc. My response is would you have been a Christian if you had been born in Iraq, or India? In short they didnât have a choice, they were brainwashed from birth.
The same applies to people moving for a better life, I did it myself, luckily I didnât have to do it illegally, but if I was in the same position as that lot in Calais (or wherever) you can bet your â â â â â â â â that I would do exactly the same.
I understand all the implications of there not being a big enough pie to feed everyone, but do you expect them (or me) to care, theyâre starving, so theyâre going to try and eat.
The World is a mess, the 1% holding 99% of the wealth is ridiculous, but even more ridiculous is the countries with the poorest people are often the richest in resources. Africa is full of oil, diamonds and gold, three of the most valuable things in the world, yet the elite have kept the native population in the dark ages, they stir up tribal hatred and instead of giving the people education, healthcare and food, they give them guns.
The situation in the M/E is all rooted in oil, the propaganda machine will have you believe that itâs because the Arab is just a nutjob and because of the way theyâve been mistreated, by their own 1% as well as ours, theyâre living up to the reputation bestowed upon them.
Theyâre stirring the pot so much that there will be bloodshed on a biblical scale in the not too distant future and you can bet that the elite will not suffer any casualties, on the contrary, theyâll just carry on making money and getting more control over whatâs left of the 99%.
All this immigration stuff is tactical on their part, they know the Brit can have a decent tear up, thatâs why they have instructed their puppets in Westminster to decimate our armed forces and now theyâre filling the country with immigrants so we turn on them and not see who the real enemy is.
There are many cliches to describe whatâs going on here, divide and conquer, all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing, blah blah blah.
That was a long one !! I make you bang on the money though.
In which case that would make ISIS etc just misunderstood freedom fighters trying to get a better deal from the evil Capitalist bankers. 
Carryfast:
Mike-C:
newmercman:
Youâre making assumptions about me using your own beliefs though CFâŚI have woken up or been reborn if you like, I used to be a bit of a bigot, not full of hatred like some, but I was no fan of minorities. However I come to realise that wasnât my own personal view, I had just bought in to the propaganda.
Luke and this forum can take some credit for that as it happens, in a thread that descended into chaos I realised that â â â â â â orientation is not a choice, in much the same way as the colour of your skin is not a choice.
Living where I now live has also contributed, as some of you know I live deep in the bible belt of Canada and when my neighbours try to get me to join their church my response is why did you choose to be a Christian? They answer that itâs because itâs the way, the truth etc etc. My response is would you have been a Christian if you had been born in Iraq, or India? In short they didnât have a choice, they were brainwashed from birth.
The same applies to people moving for a better life, I did it myself, luckily I didnât have to do it illegally, but if I was in the same position as that lot in Calais (or wherever) you can bet your â â â â â â â â that I would do exactly the same.
I understand all the implications of there not being a big enough pie to feed everyone, but do you expect them (or me) to care, theyâre starving, so theyâre going to try and eat.
The World is a mess, the 1% holding 99% of the wealth is ridiculous, but even more ridiculous is the countries with the poorest people are often the richest in resources. Africa is full of oil, diamonds and gold, three of the most valuable things in the world, yet the elite have kept the native population in the dark ages, they stir up tribal hatred and instead of giving the people education, healthcare and food, they give them guns.
The situation in the M/E is all rooted in oil, the propaganda machine will have you believe that itâs because the Arab is just a nutjob and because of the way theyâve been mistreated, by their own 1% as well as ours, theyâre living up to the reputation bestowed upon them.
Theyâre stirring the pot so much that there will be bloodshed on a biblical scale in the not too distant future and you can bet that the elite will not suffer any casualties, on the contrary, theyâll just carry on making money and getting more control over whatâs left of the 99%.
All this immigration stuff is tactical on their part, they know the Brit can have a decent tear up, thatâs why they have instructed their puppets in Westminster to decimate our armed forces and now theyâre filling the country with immigrants so we turn on them and not see who the real enemy is.
There are many cliches to describe whatâs going on here, divide and conquer, all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing, blah blah blah.
That was a long one !! I make you bang on the money though.
In which case that would make ISIS etc just misunderstood freedom fighters trying to get a better deal from the evil Capitalist bankers.
So ISIS, I would put good money on the intelligence communities of the âcivilizedâ world being behind the whole thing, it may be going exactly to plan for them too as now there really is a threat in the middle east and they can have the war that theyâve been trying to have for decades
You say that these immigrants should stay and try and make âtheirâ own country better before trying to leach off another country, nice idea, however the fact that they are oppressed into poverty and denied education seems to have escaped your notice
If you knew anything about religion, you would also be aware that the Old Testament and the Koran are almost the same book, the characters are different, but the writings are the same. They are interpreted differently and that has become more so since the recent rise of the extremists.
The very same extremists that have been indoctrinated by puppets of the western intelligence agencies, who not only stir the pot, they provide them with weapons and the targets to use them upon.
I love how despite disguising it behind his long winded piffle (good word that isnât it) Carryfast is actually fairly simple minded. I.e everything is always black and white to him, his views (white, obviously) and people who donât agree with him, who in his mind must be socialists. Very lazy way of debating. But then he doesnât really engage, he just looks for opportunities to launch his tirades, which I reckon all all in a Word document and he just copies and pastes the vaguely relevant bit each time.
Carryfast:
In which case that would make ISIS etc just misunderstood freedom fighters trying to get a better deal from the evil Capitalist bankers.
Although i agreed with what he said, i also agree partly with you too. And when you said this further upâŚ
The geographic distribution of the different ethnic groups and cultures are one of the real laws of nature and certainly not just artificial lines on a map.
I agree with that totally. The West along with its âChristianityâ (it appears to me) to want to rule (and thats basically what it is) the Middle East which is predominantly âMuslimâ , a different culture. In the last 15 years, we (the west) have removed any semblance or power and control from Afghan, Iraq etcâŚand the locals donât want the puppets the west are putting in control. Iâve no indepth idea, but iâd guess if theyâre all Islamic countries and ISIS wants the West to â â â â off, they may just be misrepresented freedom fighters.
I never got a vote on it and iâm not sure whoâs descion it was to go invade them places and at the same time let half of them in our country . But its not looking good now.
It was a masterstroke the creation of Israel in everyway. Thereâs generations of people who now think that this UK/USA made area is their home land, irrespective of where they came from, but just by way of their religion. Anyway, theyâll all still be fighting long after i popped me clogs so leave the all to it i say !!!
I think youâll find that CF, bless him, is just repeating the propaganda heâs been force fed throughout his life. No different to the rest of us, we only find stuff out from the same sources and they all have an opinion attached to them, that opinion always has a slant too.
The way to the path of enlightenment is to read between the lines, or ignore them all together and look at the reason behind why the media want us to look in that particular direction.
When you look at the global media youâll be shocked to see that the whole thing is controlled by a handful of companies and each one of those is controlled by the Bilderburg Group.
newmercman:
The way to the path of enlightenment is to read between the lines, or ignore them all together and look at the reason behind why the media want us to look in that particular direction.When you look at the global media youâll be shocked to see that the whole thing is controlled by a handful of companies and each one of those is controlled by the Bilderburg Group.
Iâve probably done a lot of the same reading you have and it makes me laugh that whilst weâre fed the âOperation Freedomâ line, they all go into a panick when Scotland wants Independance !!
newmercman:
In which case that would make ISIS etc just misunderstood freedom fighters trying to get a better deal from the evil Capitalist bankers.
So ISIS, I would put good money on the intelligence communities of the âcivilizedâ world being behind the whole thing, it may be going exactly to plan for them too as now there really is a threat in the middle east and they can have the war that theyâve been trying to have for decades
You say that these immigrants should stay and try and make âtheirâ own country better before trying to leach off another country, nice idea, however the fact that they are oppressed into poverty and denied education seems to have escaped your notice
If you knew anything about religion, you would also be aware that the Old Testament and the Koran are almost the same book, the characters are different, but the writings are the same. They are interpreted differently and that has become more so since the recent rise of the extremists.
The very same extremists that have been indoctrinated by puppets of the western intelligence agencies, who not only stir the pot, they provide them with weapons and the targets to use them upon.
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Our mistake in the Middle East was not joining Israel in 1973 to sort out the Arabs and their Russian backers for once and for all.Everything since then has been a waste of time fire fighting exercise usually getting involved on one side or another of the Arabs inter factional tribal squabbles.
The question in that case being the only bit youâve got right why do we keep arming these savages. When we should have put them back where they were on horses,living in tents,threatening each other with swords and calling everyone else who doesnât agree with the Koran an infidel from a safe distance. 
Everything which has happened since then in that regard being inevitable and predictable.
Then to add insult to injury our illustrious leaders then imported the problem by bringing the Muslim culture to live here amongst us.Where not surprisingly it wants to massacre us all assuming we wonât convert to radical Islam.
None of which makes the slightest difference,or has any relevance,to the fact that the reason why those people,amongst others from the third world,came here was because they were/are many centuries behind the Anglo Saxon culture in regards to know how in building a civilised,modern,developed,industrialised society.Usually with the help of a few âbankersâ and business people in our society trying to defeat the object of such Western civilisation by importing cheap labour from those third world countries in order to make a bit of extra profit.Greed being another of those genetic flaws which exists in certain cases amongst that Anglo Saxon society in addition to those which were so clearly shown in the case of Hitler.
However in all cases resorting to the even more flawed idea of socialism wonât fix any of those issues.Whereas,as the workforce of those modern developed industrialised economies proved,solidarity will at least sort out those problems of greed at the top.That was until the mass import of cheap foreign labour, followed by the Thatcherite dream,was allowed to take off. 
Geoffrey, if youâre ever in front of a judge, get a lawyer and plead the 5th
newmercman:
I think youâll find that CF, bless him, is just repeating the propaganda heâs been force fed throughout his life. No different to the rest of us, we only find stuff out from the same sources and they all have an opinion attached to them, that opinion always has a slant too.The way to the path of enlightenment is to read between the lines, or ignore them all together and look at the reason behind why the media want us to look in that particular direction.
When you look at the global media youâll be shocked to see that the whole thing is controlled by a handful of companies and each one of those is controlled by the Bilderburg Group.
Ironically if Iâd been a follower of bs propaganda Iâd still be a committed supporter of the tin foil hat conspiracy theories put out by the socialists which youâve obviously bought into.However thatâs not to say that many business leaders and âbankersâ arenât a bunch of morons who canât understand the difference between Fordist capitalism and Communism.Or possibly donât want to understand being that theyâll just go with whichever makes the best short term profit for a very few chosen elite.In which case the Communist system is unbeatable in that regard.Hence the sell out of the civilised western economies to China just so long as the kick backs are good enough.In which case itâs no surprise that China seems to be the biggest beneficiary of the mess caused by Bush and Blair in Iraq.
Mike-C:
Carryfast:
In which case that would make ISIS etc just misunderstood freedom fighters trying to get a better deal from the evil Capitalist bankers.Although i agreed with what he said, i also agree partly with you too. And when you said this further upâŚ
The geographic distribution of the different ethnic groups and cultures are one of the real laws of nature and certainly not just artificial lines on a map.
I agree with that totally. The West along with its âChristianityâ (it appears to me) to want to rule (and thats basically what it is) the Middle East which is predominantly âMuslimâ , a different culture. In the last 15 years, we (the west) have removed any semblance or power and control from Afghan, Iraq etcâŚand the locals donât want the puppets the west are putting in control. Iâve no indepth idea, but iâd guess if theyâre all Islamic countries and ISIS wants the West to â â â â off, they may just be misrepresented freedom fighters.
I never got a vote on it and iâm not sure whoâs descion it was to go invade them places and at the same time let half of them in our country . But its not looking good now.
It was a masterstroke the creation of Israel in everyway. Thereâs generations of people who now think that this UK/USA made area is their home land, irrespective of where they came from, but just by way of their religion. Anyway, theyâll all still be fighting long after i popped me clogs so leave the all to it i say !!!
Que essay. Apologies, in Dhaka and bloody bored. Just all chit chat not high opinion of course donât ya know old boy !
The west may seek to contain the middle east due to underlying motives but they do not control it and Christianity has next to nothing to do with it. The finance is just not forth coming from Christianity to justify to the western warlords an incentive to mobilise. Saudi Arabia holds a hell of a lot, of not most of the West and East by the balls. They are the main men in controlling the oil price and hence the world. The stuff is free to them. They dont care. Their attitude is anathma to a western mind. They are aggresive and live for what may happen. Iâve just taken 149 tonnes of Jet A1 to Bangladesh, enough to come home with. Despite it costing 25035 USD just to carry it, it saves the Saudis filling up in other countries. They pay next to nothing. The US are in their lap over oil revenues.
Islam is a driving force and part of their doctrine includes taking the faith to countries and continents, ideally becoming involved with power and government in order to assist the spread of Allahâs teachings. In the UK youâre spoon fed thereâs the nutters and the nice shiny, fluffy Muslims. A sort of âthree easy steps to making the problem easy to swallow for the daily mail readerâ. A lot of very well spoken eminent people appear on radio 2 et al and knock us clean out with fancy placating sentiment. Itâs all we want to hear; the youngsters pop out of uni with - read it in a book but no clue about reality - liberalism and shout down anyone who dares to offer caution as being a bigot, or a racist. The cry of the polar back and white liberal. You canât argue against their ivory tower lest you fall under the cry of racist or bigot.
If these black and white minds went out into the world and had a good hard immersion out of their comfort zone just perhaps - maybe not - they would form a new perspective. Not an earth shattering one, but perhaps their hardened shell on accept-all-and everything he think, would crumble. Questions, ethical, philosophical questions may creep in; perhaps itâs not about being one or the other? Maybe itâs about being truly tolerant and fully appreciating the true definition of that word. Itâs a lot more complicated when you grind into the details.
Now, to my mind toleratant does mean having the knowledge to know when youâre the one being dictated to and say âalright, enoughs enoughâ. Kind of like the school yard. The (over liberal) bullied kid gives the bullies pocket money expecting to curry favour. Perhaps heâs expecting to impress some mates, or even hoping the bullies will throw a welcoming arm around his neck as thats what HE would do. Instead of graciousness he gets a bloody nose, his shins kicked and the rest of his money nicked into the bargain. The confident, balanced kid says âenough from enoughâ to the bullies, âyouâve had your fun. Kick the ball about with us but play fairâ. But equally, on the other hand he would take the bullied kid to one side and tell him not to be such an arse: be decent to people but still have some self respect.
Be proud of the good you see in your own culture and donât be so â â â â short to sell it down the river on the back of some blinkered ill educated wave of over zealous modern free for all evangelism labelled as liberalism. Thats not being liberal; thatâs just being unable to think both ways. I particularly dislike that line people spout out, normally in the back of the editorials on the broads in rebuttle to something - that âour ancestors died for free speech and toleranceâ. This is a hijacking of their name and using the sentiment as a weapon against anyone, ANYONE who dares to say âhang on letâs just hold onâ, a moderate voice. Thatâs true liberalism. Accepting, welcoming but with a wise head and self respect - knowing, valueing and protecting the good things in your own culture and the wider world. Attitudes those men really died to protect.
Blimey, Carryfast must be in a bonus for calling peoples socialists today.