newmercman:
You’re making assumptions about me using your own beliefs though CF…
I have woken up or been reborn if you like, I used to be a bit of a bigot, not full of hatred like some, but I was no fan of minorities. However I come to realise that wasn’t my own personal view, I had just bought in to the propaganda.
Luke and this forum can take some credit for that as it happens, in a thread that descended into chaos I realised that ■■■■■■ orientation is not a choice, in much the same way as the colour of your skin is not a choice.
Living where I now live has also contributed, as some of you know I live deep in the bible belt of Canada and when my neighbours try to get me to join their church my response is why did you choose to be a Christian? They answer that it’s because it’s the way, the truth etc etc. My response is would you have been a Christian if you had been born in Iraq, or India? In short they didn’t have a choice, they were brainwashed from birth.
The same applies to people moving for a better life, I did it myself, luckily I didn’t have to do it illegally, but if I was in the same position as that lot in Calais (or wherever) you can bet your ■■■■■■■■ that I would do exactly the same.
I understand all the implications of there not being a big enough pie to feed everyone, but do you expect them (or me) to care, they’re starving, so they’re going to try and eat.
The World is a mess, the 1% holding 99% of the wealth is ridiculous, but even more ridiculous is the countries with the poorest people are often the richest in resources. Africa is full of oil, diamonds and gold, three of the most valuable things in the world, yet the elite have kept the native population in the dark ages, they stir up tribal hatred and instead of giving the people education, healthcare and food, they give them guns.
The situation in the M/E is all rooted in oil, the propaganda machine will have you believe that it’s because the Arab is just a nutjob and because of the way they’ve been mistreated, by their own 1% as well as ours, they’re living up to the reputation bestowed upon them.
They’re stirring the pot so much that there will be bloodshed on a biblical scale in the not too distant future and you can bet that the elite will not suffer any casualties, on the contrary, they’ll just carry on making money and getting more control over what’s left of the 99%.
All this immigration stuff is tactical on their part, they know the Brit can have a decent tear up, that’s why they have instructed their puppets in Westminster to decimate our armed forces and now they’re filling the country with immigrants so we turn on them and not see who the real enemy is.
There are many cliches to describe what’s going on here, divide and conquer, all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing, blah blah blah.
Ironically I can reverse that argument based on your own situation.As you say you’ve gone to North America to work because it’s arguably better.
The reason it’s ‘better’ is because ‘so far’ the situation there,like Australia and NZ,is more a reflection of the developed Anglo Saxon type of society and economy which this place ‘would’ have been ‘if’ it hadn’t gone along the route of the mass import of cheap labour from third world countries and non Fordist Capitalism/Thatcherism.
So we’ve ended up with at least three ex British colonies that no surprise have all ended up as reasonably decent places to live and work.The common link being the gift which the ethnic British,as a nation,have been given in the ability to do that.The make or break key in all that being well paid workers and industry and the ability of those workers to get the job done.In all case the ethnic British,specifically the Anglo Saxon component of that,( with a bit of help from their Celtic neighbours 
) being the best at that arguably even better than their Germanic originators.
By your typically born again socialist logic everyone in the world is equal and as good as each other at setting up a developed industrialised economy.When unfortunately and inconveniently the facts show otherwise.IE it is ze Germans and their Anglo Saxon colonies ( rivals ) here who really are ‘uber alles’.
Unfortunately there is a flaw in the mindset of that ethnic group.In the ability to be exploitative,racist,vicious zb’s in certain cases.Often to the point of self destruction or at least defeating the object of the civilised societies they are capable of building.In which case the import of cheap labour from less well able third world countries is part of that.While the fact that the third world is clamouring to live amongst that Anglo Saxon elite is just an admission that those ethnic groups aren’t good enough to make it on their own.
To put that into the North American context just supposing it was just the Spanish that had colonised North America.Then you’d obviously have had something like Mexico throughout.While America is already falling apart because it’s obviously forgotten all that firstly in terms of importing cheap ethnic African labour and then added to the problem by importing cheap ethnic Spanish labour.
Or for that matter what would Oz,NZ,Canada and the US have been now ‘if’ we hadn’t have colonised them at all and just left them to their native populations.Ironically it’s my bet that without the luxury of years of colonist ‘help’ those native Americans would probably be one of the groups wanting to ‘join’ us just like the Asians and Africans.
So while you’re a born again socialist I’ve gone from that to now realising that Hitler was sort of right.However unfortunately for the Anglo Saxon world he contained that genetic flaw of being an exploitative,racist,vicious zb.As opposed to yes we are good let’s use that ability to make ourselves even better.In which case we won’t do that by importing cheap labour from less fortunate countries. 
As for human relationship ‘preference’ unless we want generations of test tube children or ‘adopted’ ( stolen ) children growing up in households with two mothers or two fathers Hitler was right about that issue too.It’s just that issue of him then applying that racist vicious angle to stopping that situation.As opposed to the more civilised mid 20th century British laws in that regard which was good enough for the society which stopped him.IE it’s biologically and naturally wrong just like ■■■■■■ is.Which is why we are now well on the way to the situation which I’ve described. 
