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[mike-c]

Freight Dog:
Islam is a driving force and part of their doctrine includes taking the faith to countries and continents, ideally becoming involved with power and government in order to assist the spread of Allah’s teachings.

That may be so, but my limited kowledge only lets me see that indeed its christianity thats been spread to almost all the new world, and large parts of Africa. Moreso than say the expansion of Islam. Which is enjoying a rise since the decimation of the Ottoman Empire.

Freight Dog:
In the UK you’re spoon fed there’s the nutters and the nice shiny, fluffy Muslims.

I don;t think so, they getting a very negative press and public opinion.

Freight Dog:
Be proud of the good you see in your own culture and don’t be so ■■■■ short to sell it down the river on the back of some blinkered ill educated wave of over zealous modern free for all evangelism labelled as liberalism.

I love my culture And i’m certainly not a Liberal by any sense of the word. I’m also not the one in Dhoa, who has been taking fuel to Bangaladesh. Thats you. Maybe the locals don’t want you taking their
jobs , and they’re upset ? Could always bomb them if they get upset !!

[switchlogic]

Freight Dog:
Islam is a driving force and part of their doctrine includes taking the faith to countries and continents, ideally becoming involved with power and government in order to assist the spread of Allah’s teachings.

True of any religion, be it now or in the past. Religion was invented for one reason and one reason only, control. Follow us and do as we say or be condemned to eternal damnation is a very powerful way of controlling people. Religion- in my humble opinion the human races worst ever invention.

[carryfast]

switchlogic:

Freight Dog:
Islam is a driving force and part of their doctrine includes taking the faith to countries and continents, ideally becoming involved with power and government in order to assist the spread of Allah’s teachings.

True of any religion, be it now or in the past. Religion was invented for one reason and one reason only, control. Follow us and do as we say or be condemned to eternal damnation is a very powerful way of controlling people. Religion- in my humble opinion the human races worst ever invention.

The difference is the Christian faith stopped executing heretics in the middle ages.While as I’ve said I’ve dissed the church which my parents chose for me enough times with no issues from anyone.Somehow I wouldn’t want to do that in the case of the average Muslim.In general Christianity,like Sikhism amongst others,is just the freedom to choose to live by certain values or reject them.Unlike the totalitarian Muslim faith.

[freight_dog]

Mike-C:

Freight Dog:
Islam is a driving force and part of their doctrine includes taking the faith to countries and continents, ideally becoming involved with power and government in order to assist the spread of Allah’s teachings.

That may be so, but my limited kowledge only lets me see that indeed its christianity thats been spread to almost all the new world, and large parts of Africa. Moreso than say the expansion of Islam. Which is enjoying a rise since the decimation of the Ottoman Empire.

Freight Dog:
In the UK you’re spoon fed there’s the nutters and the nice shiny, fluffy Muslims.

I don;t think so, they getting a very negative press and public opinion.

Freight Dog:
Be proud of the good you see in your own culture and don’t be so ■■■■ short to sell it down the river on the back of some blinkered ill educated wave of over zealous modern free for all evangelism labelled as liberalism.

I love my culture And i’m certainly not a Liberal by any sense of the word. I’m also not the one in Dhoa, who has been taking fuel to Bangaladesh. Thats you. Maybe the locals don’t want you taking their
jobs , and they’re upset ? Could always bomb them if they get upset !!

I’m in Dhaka not Dhoa, and I wasn’t taking fuel to be delivered. We carried it to get home by order. If - as you suggest, I’m taking their jobs it’s by virtue I work for a clandestine contractor that works for a middle eastern company, owned by the king who owns the oil fields, who wants to fuel his equipment for free and therefore a local may get one less to refill. And then you’re presuming that a few less movements out of a hell of a lot results in a job loss. There’s no shortage of refuellers there given the nationalities that operate in and its far from uncommon for companies to chose where and how much they tanker fuel. The Saudis just go the whole hog. My point being to illuminate quite how little fuel means to them.

I try to remember to give some money to the cleaners, the ground staff, everyone I come across in these hell holes as I genuinely feel for them. Trying to earn a crust. Throw stones at me for being part of the machine, but you’re part of it too by driving a lorry burning middle eastern fossil fuel, that is owned by a government that refuses to uplift in Bangladesh because it’s cheaper to use their own fuel rather than buy it back from customers they sold it to. It’s pretty tenuous and hard to draw lines as I cited earlier. I’m just trying to offer a reflective perspective in a world of ear plugs.

I’m trying very hard not to get caught up in the Christianity kicking in leu of Islamic spread. A lot of Christian bashing relies on talking about things that happened thousands of years ago. A lot of bad things happened with every man made interpretations of faiths. A lot of inhumane events scored their mark in time without religion: naziism, slavery, communist China.

Glad you love your culture by the way

[freight_dog]

switchlogic:

Freight Dog:
Islam is a driving force and part of their doctrine includes taking the faith to countries and continents, ideally becoming involved with power and government in order to assist the spread of Allah’s teachings.

True of any religion, be it now or in the past. Religion was invented for one reason and one reason only, control. Follow us and do as we say or be condemned to eternal damnation is a very powerful way of controlling people. Religion- in my humble opinion the human races worst ever invention.

There’s a lot to be said of that. They live in fear in a lot of the places I’ve been too. Nothing like living in fear for controlling people.

Although forgoing the past would you say you live in fear in the UK? Christianity had plenty of scope in the last 200 years to gain influence and power but I’ve yet to hear of a Brit with one hand and the opposing foot cut off for stealing in the name of the Church of England divine law. The justice meted out to people in the UK in the 1940s wasn’t from the belly of any religious zealot and most people view the UK justice system as being enshrined in all that’s fair and just. If you’re a woman who is raped in certain parts of the world, today, you’re best to keep quiet as you may find yourself tried under religious law for ■■■ out of wedlock.

[freight_dog]

switchlogic:
Blimey, Carryfast must be in a bonus for calling peoples socialists today.

Ah hell, we’ll move onto socialism next

[newmercman]

It’s not in any doubt that there are radical Islamic psychos out there, but there are radical Christian psychos too, look at the Westboro Baptist Church and all the weird cults in the southern states that speak in tongues and prance around with rattle snakes, the only difference is that one bunch are being funded by the west, one are not.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but I do follow their online stories, I also follow mainstream media and I do this to get a balanced view, or at least try to.

Now the subject of national pride has been raised, I’m in a pretty good position to comment on that as I’m an immigrant. Although I live in Canada I still cling fiercely to my nationality and my customs, now if I were to have a custom that was deemed offensive to my adopted homeland I would of course stop doing it in public.
But if it was my dress code that caused offence, or my accent then guess what? Two words and the second is OFF.

My dress code is that of a football hooligan, smart Adidas trainers, a pair of 501s and either a polo shirt or a lairy short sleeved shirt, in some circles I’m judged because of this, my London accent also loses me points, but hey ho, it is what it is and it’s who I am. Now if I was born in the middle east, by dress code and my accent would be different, but what would it tell you about me? Apart from where I was born and raised. It would give no indication of my personality or my thoughts on world peace.

And what gives anybody the right to judge me anyway? It certainly isn’t the place of their birth, yet it happens all the time.

I’m accepted by most Canadians, yet apart from taxes, I only look after myself and my family. Now look at a man from India or the middle east, he can be a business owner that employs many Canadians, he may have even donated a substantial sum to a hospital for a new baby ward that saves many lives, but to some he will still be seen as a dirty stinking (ryhmes with Jackie) even though he’s not from Pakistan.

Ask the next person you meet how they would feel about an Italian or American, Australian, Kiwi whatever family moving in next door, then ask them the same question, but with the family having dark skin and a different religion and I bet the answers are completely different.

Ironic really as the British national dish is no longer fish and chips, but chicken tikka masala…

[carryfast]

newmercman:
It’s not in any doubt that there are radical Islamic psychos out there, but there are radical Christian psychos too, look at the Westboro Baptist Church and all the weird cults in the southern states that speak in tongues and prance around with rattle snakes, the only difference is that one bunch are being funded by the west, one are not.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but I do follow their online stories, I also follow mainstream media and I do this to get a balanced view, or at least try to.

Now the subject of national pride has been raised, I’m in a pretty good position to comment on that as I’m an immigrant. Although I live in Canada I still cling fiercely to my nationality and my customs, now if I were to have a custom that was deemed offensive to my adopted homeland I would of course stop doing it in public.
But if it was my dress code that caused offence, or my accent then guess what? Two words and the second is OFF.

My dress code is that of a football hooligan, smart Adidas trainers, a pair of 501s and either a polo shirt or a lairy short sleeved shirt, in some circles I’m judged because of this, my London accent also loses me points, but hey ho, it is what it is and it’s who I am. Now if I was born in the middle east, by dress code and my accent would be different, but what would it tell you about me? Apart from where I was born and raised. It would give no indication of my personality or my thoughts on world peace.

And what gives anybody the right to judge me anyway? It certainly isn’t the place of their birth, yet it happens all the time.

I’m accepted by most Canadians, yet apart from taxes, I only look after myself and my family. Now look at a man from India or the middle east, he can be a business owner that employs many Canadians, he may have even donated a substantial sum to a hospital for a new baby ward that saves many lives, but to some he will still be seen as a dirty stinking (ryhmes with Jackie) even though he’s not from Pakistan.

Ask the next person you meet how they would feel about an Italian or American, Australian, Kiwi whatever family moving in next door, then ask them the same question, but with the family having dark skin and a different religion and I bet the answers are completely different.

Ironic really as the British national dish is no longer fish and chips, but chicken tikka masala…

Ironically that contains the contradiction of making the case for both accepting the idea of multi culturalism and integration when the two things are mutually exclusive.Which is why we have places like Bradford and Southall etc.There is also a point whereby even multi culturalism turns into making the indigenous population foreigners in their own country if you allow the numbers of immigration to get out of hand.It’s also easy to make the case for acceptance of excessive immigration from the luxury of the experience of being a British ‘immigrant’ in what is effectively a British colony.IE that’s not a case of being an ‘immigrant’ at all.It’s really just a case of crossing an Ocean to live in another place amongst your own.

While you conveniently seem to be basing your case on just a one sided selective view of ethnic Brit v the rest.When it’s a lot more complicated than that.With even in the case of the Indian sub continent the different ethnic/religious groups like Muslim,Sikh and Hindu all needing to be seperated because they are different.Let alone what happens when excessive immigration is turning the streets of Britain into a hostile foreign land for the indigenous population because of the very real differences between the indigenous and immigrant communities.Just as people like Powell predicted.

[newmercman]

None of that is in doubt either, but do you see why that is? I don’t think you do.

Yes the different creeds amongst Indians means they live in a divided nation, the same applies to the Sunni and Shi’a Muslims, just as it does in western society, but it’s not so obvious.

In Indian and Islamic countries the differences are exaggerated by the clergy (or version of) who preach that their particular form of religion is the only way and they put the fear of whichever deity they worship into the parishioners thereby assuring their allegiance. Again it is the 1% controlling the 99%.

In Britain there has been rampant immigration, all started by Blair, my thoughts on that ■■■■ are not for family consumption, so I won’t go there, but we can explore what his goal in doing so was.

It’s not a stab in the dark to assume that he was acting on orders from above, so what was the goal of his paymasters? What have they to gain from pushing Britain into what will surely be a hostile country before long? The simple answer to that is money, where it fits in, I do not know, but I have a few ideas.

Firstly, we (British citizens) were doing OK money wise, lots of people had equity in property and a few quid in the bank, so more and more expectations were raised, this would mean increased wages would be required to buy houses because of rising property prices and those already on the property ladder were getting used to the good life.

Then bam! The credit crunch, house prices crashed etc etc, expectations weren’t so high as people weren’t in such a privileged position anymore, but they also weren’t throwing as much money around, so luxury items stopped being bought, but essentials were still buoyant, but there weren’t enough people buying essential items, so they brought in a load more people to buy them and as an added bonus the new arrivals also brought down wages across the board.

But how are the companies making luxury items going to carry on making money? Simple, now Britain has taken a lot of the needy and non productive from formerly poor countries they now have an emerging middle class who cannot wait to buy all that stuff.

The end result, the companies pay out less and earn more, the corporations that own all these companies are the same corporations that own Blair and the rest of them.

It’s not really complicated, if you think about it, just pure greed, which is just simply human nature…

[switchlogic]

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Freight Dog:
Islam is a driving force and part of their doctrine includes taking the faith to countries and continents, ideally becoming involved with power and government in order to assist the spread of Allah’s teachings.

True of any religion, be it now or in the past. Religion was invented for one reason and one reason only, control. Follow us and do as we say or be condemned to eternal damnation is a very powerful way of controlling people. Religion- in my humble opinion the human races worst ever invention.

The difference is the Christian faith stopped executing heretics in the middle ages.While as I’ve said I’ve dissed the church which my parents chose for me enough times with no issues from anyone.Somehow I wouldn’t want to do that in the case of the average Muslim.In general Christianity,like Sikhism amongst others,is just the freedom to choose to live by certain values or reject them.Unlike the totalitarian Muslim faith.

Hence I said be it now or in the past. Islam isnt going through anything new, Christianity went though the same things. Islam is younger dont forget. The fear of not conforming is the fear of god, not fear of anyone mortal. Follow us or you’ll be condemned to hell. You must not believe in god and therefore that fear isn’t present but if you are in some godforsaken place in the centre of Africa with a life expectancy of 40 something many of us would believe in god just for the hope it provides

[carryfast]

newmercman:
None of that is in doubt either, but do you see why that is? I don’t think you do.

Yes the different creeds amongst Indians means they live in a divided nation, the same applies to the Sunni and Shi’a Muslims, just as it does in western society, but it’s not so obvious.

In Indian and Islamic countries the differences are exaggerated by the clergy (or version of) who preach that their particular form of religion is the only way and they put the fear of whichever deity they worship into the parishioners thereby assuring their allegiance. Again it is the 1% controlling the 99%.

In Britain there has been rampant immigration, all started by Blair, my thoughts on that [zb] are not for family consumption, so I won’t go there, but we can explore what his goal in doing so was.

It’s not a stab in the dark to assume that he was acting on orders from above, so what was the goal of his paymasters? What have they to gain from pushing Britain into what will surely be a hostile country before long? The simple answer to that is money, where it fits in, I do not know, but I have a few ideas.

Firstly, we (British citizens) were doing OK money wise, lots of people had equity in property and a few quid in the bank, so more and more expectations were raised, this would mean increased wages would be required to buy houses because of rising property prices and those already on the property ladder were getting used to the good life.

Then bam! The credit crunch, house prices crashed etc etc, expectations weren’t so high as people weren’t in such a privileged position anymore, but they also weren’t throwing as much money around, so luxury items stopped being bought, but essentials were still buoyant, but there weren’t enough people buying essential items, so they brought in a load more people to buy them and as an added bonus the new arrivals also brought down wages across the board.

But how are the companies making luxury items going to carry on making money? Simple, now Britain has taken a lot of the needy and non productive from formerly poor countries they now have an emerging middle class who cannot wait to buy all that stuff.

The end result, the companies pay out less and earn more, the corporations that own all these companies are the same corporations that own Blair and the rest of them.

It’s not really complicated, if you think about it, just pure greed, which is just simply human nature…

The last sentence is exactly what I’ve said in being the motivation for our specific immigration problem.IE it’s mostly about cheap labour with all the resulting negative effects of over population and societal instability,etc etc being seen by the importers of such labour as a price worth paying.While that issue goes back a lot further in history than just Blair.With examples like the slave trade centuries ago and starting in a big way here in more recent times with examples like the Empire Windrush.The difference in the case of the Labour party being that for them it was/is the combination of cheap labour and socialism and votes.As opposed to mainly cash and greed in the case of the Cons and their cheap labour employer supporters.

[carryfast]

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Freight Dog:
Islam is a driving force and part of their doctrine includes taking the faith to countries and continents, ideally becoming involved with power and government in order to assist the spread of Allah’s teachings.

True of any religion, be it now or in the past. Religion was invented for one reason and one reason only, control. Follow us and do as we say or be condemned to eternal damnation is a very powerful way of controlling people. Religion- in my humble opinion the human races worst ever invention.

The difference is the Christian faith stopped executing heretics in the middle ages.While as I’ve said I’ve dissed the church which my parents chose for me enough times with no issues from anyone.Somehow I wouldn’t want to do that in the case of the average Muslim.In general Christianity,like Sikhism amongst others,is just the freedom to choose to live by certain values or reject them.Unlike the totalitarian Muslim faith.

Hence I said be it now or in the past. Islam isnt going through anything new, Christianity went though the same things. Islam is younger dont forget. The fear of not conforming is the fear of god, not fear of anyone mortal. Follow us or you’ll be condemned to hell. You must not believe in god and therefore that fear isn’t present but if you are in some godforsaken place in the centre of Africa with a life expectancy of 40 something many of us would believe in god just for the hope it provides

The difference is actually that the mindset of the Muslim cause hasn’t changed much since the fall of Constantinople.Whereas we’ve moved on since the days of the Crusades.As for belief in God no one knows for sure who or what is behind the meaning and origins of life and anyone who says they do is just setting themselves up as god wether that be the clergy or the scientists.However regardless of that as I’ve said that still leaves the choice of choosing to follow or reject the ‘values’ contained in the Christian church at least which is the relevant bit.

[dieseldog999]

apparently the rev ian paisley has just been diagnosed with alheimers as he has been seenon numerous occasions walking around Ballymena shouting…no remember,no remember…

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:
That wasn’t exactly the only or main issue how Collins etc ( rightly ) saw it and then De Valera wanted to carry on with.Freight Dog has got it more or less right.

Ah yes Eamon DeValera and Michael Collins, two well known Englishmen by your standards

If you’d have said Ian Paisley I’d have agreed with you.

I bet Ian Paisley wouldn’t though

Picture the scene Paisley shouting we will never surrender just as I tell him sorry England has withdrawn from the Union as of midnight tonight.What flag will he use then and who will he be united with.

[billyhunt]

So, does anyone know what’s happening to the poor unfortunates/leeches/Sikhs/afghans/Muslims or whatever they are?

[the_maoster]

BillyHunt:
So, does anyone know what’s happening to the poor unfortunates/leeches/Sikhs/afghans/Muslims or whatever they are?

If they’re anything like the Afghan hijackers who flew to Stanstead I’d imagine that by now they’ll be high up in airline security!

[carryfast]

BillyHunt:
So, does anyone know what’s happening to the poor unfortunates/leeches/Sikhs/afghans/Muslims or whatever they are?

Switchlogic is trying to arrange a large area of Wales to be set aside for an immigrant Afghan sheep farming operation to help them feel at home.In the interests of multi cultural integration there will be no seperation between the Muslim and Sikh communities within the new colony.

[mike-c]

BillyHunt:
So, does anyone know what’s happening to the poor unfortunates/leeches/Sikhs/afghans/Muslims or whatever they are?

its unfortunate that you out a “/” inbetween all of them to denote they they are all the same. It shows your level of input to the conversation.

[mike-c]

Freight Dog:
I’m trying very hard not to get caught up in the Christianity kicking in leu of Islamic spread. A lot of Christian bashing relies on talking about things that happened thousands of years ago. A lot of bad things happened with every man made interpretations of faiths. A lot of inhumane events scored their mark in time without religion: naziism, slavery, communist China.

Glad you love your culture by the way

How about …God perish the thought…(see what i did there?) no one (or some one) doesn’t believe in christianity or islam ?

[dieseldog999]

is it only me or is anyone else thinking,( I wonder how long itl take for someone to come up with a …black sheep… crack for this post… ?

Carryfast:

BillyHunt:
So, does anyone know what’s happening to the poor unfortunates/leeches/Sikhs/afghans/Muslims or whatever they are?

Switchlogic is trying to arrange a large area of Wales to be set aside for an immigrant Afghan sheep farming operation to help them feel at home.In the interests of multi cultural integration there will be no seperation between the Muslim and Sikh communities within the new colony.

[switchlogic]

Carryfast:

BillyHunt:
So, does anyone know what’s happening to the poor unfortunates/leeches/Sikhs/afghans/Muslims or whatever they are?

Switchlogic is trying to arrange a large area of Wales to be set aside for an immigrant Afghan sheep farming operation to help them feel at home.In the interests of multi cultural integration there will be no seperation between the Muslim and Sikh communities within the new colony.

Oh, fancy that, Carryfast trying to make out people said things they didnt…