Being realistic - apart from some companies which authorities are actually bothering to police the RTD?
I think none
ROG:
Being realistic - apart from some companies which authorities are actually bothering to police the RTD?I think none
to be fair Rog there have been a few TM brought before TC in the recent months, there was one company that had its licence curtailed as it had not organized any training for its driver at all, which I thought was strange as I was led to believe it was down to the driver to sort it in the end, but there was a write up in the commercial motor a while ago will try and find the link if I can 
wildfire:
I put this question on another site and some of the answers where quite shocking!!!right guys got a scenario to put to you lot and see what your answers will be?..
A driver has a full 15hr shift his start time is 06.00 and finish at 21.00.
He will not do more than 4.25 minutes driving during the whole shift.
He starts at 6 and works till 11.45 at which point he takes a 15 min break.
He then carries on till 17.00 and takes another 15 min break.
He then carries on till 20.30 taking another 15 min break and then finishes at 21.00.
The question is has he done anything wrong? please no comments about he shouldn’t be doing a 15hr day ect, its just a wtd question, either he has broken the rules or he hasn’t its that easy
The post says 4.25 minutes driving. Not 4.25 hours. Which is it?
does anyone really give a crap about the wtd
I know what hes done wrong, he works in the UK, one of the only countries that takes this bs wtd seriously. Poor chap. 
wildfire:
I put this question on another site and some of the answers where quite shocking!!!right guys got a scenario to put to you lot and see what your answers will be?..
A driver has a full 15hr shift his start time is 06.00 and finish at 21.00.
He will not do more than 4.25 minutes driving during the whole shift.
He starts at 6 and works till 11.45 at which point he takes a 15 min break.
He then carries on till 17.00 and takes another 15 min break.
He then carries on till 20.30 taking another 15 min break and then finishes at 21.00.
The question is has he done anything wrong? please no comments about he shouldn’t be doing a 15hr day ect, its just a wtd question, either he has broken the rules or he hasn’t its that easy
He hasn’t done anything wrong. He hasn’t worked more than 6 hours in any one time and had taken the required 45 minutes break in no less than 15 minute blocks, he’s not required to have 30 minutes between 6-9 hours, he doesn’t need a further 30 minute driving break as he hasn’t gone over 4:30 driving, he’s had or will (I assume) have 9 hours rest at the end, he hasn’t finished on a break.
I can’t see anything wrong? Please enlighten me if I’m wrong.
Clunk:
wildfire:
I put this question on another site and some of the answers where quite shocking!!!right guys got a scenario to put to you lot and see what your answers will be?..
A driver has a full 15hr shift his start time is 06.00 and finish at 21.00.
He will not do more than 4.25 minutes driving during the whole shift.
He starts at 6 and works till 11.45 at which point he takes a 15 min break.
He then carries on till 17.00 and takes another 15 min break.
He then carries on till 20.30 taking another 15 min break and then finishes at 21.00.
The question is has he done anything wrong? please no comments about he shouldn’t be doing a 15hr day ect, its just a wtd question, either he has broken the rules or he hasn’t its that easy
The post says 4.25 minutes driving. Not 4.25 hours. Which is it?
He was saying that in the whole shift he did no more than 4.25 driving so driving time breaks would not cloud the issue for RTD
Tarrman:
He hasn’t done anything wrong. He hasn’t worked more than 6 hours in any one time and had taken the required 45 minutes break in no less than 15 minute blocks, he’s not required to have 30 minutes between 6-9 hours, he doesn’t need a further 30 minute driving break as he hasn’t gone over 4:30 driving, he’s had or will (I assume) have 9 hours rest at the end, he hasn’t finished on a break.I can’t see anything wrong? Please enlighten me if I’m wrong.
At a guess then, you have read all the responses and come up with this 
Well done 
ROG:
Clunk:
wildfire:
I put this question on another site and some of the answers where quite shocking!!!right guys got a scenario to put to you lot and see what your answers will be?..
A driver has a full 15hr shift his start time is 06.00 and finish at 21.00.
He will not do more than 4.25 minutes driving during the whole shift.
He starts at 6 and works till 11.45 at which point he takes a 15 min break.
He then carries on till 17.00 and takes another 15 min break.
He then carries on till 20.30 taking another 15 min break and then finishes at 21.00.
The question is has he done anything wrong? please no comments about he shouldn’t be doing a 15hr day ect, its just a wtd question, either he has broken the rules or he hasn’t its that easy
The post says 4.25 minutes driving. Not 4.25 hours. Which is it?
He was saying that in the whole shift he did no more than 4.25 driving so driving time breaks would not cloud the issue for RTD
And, for the example, it would make no difference if it was 4.25 minutes, 4.25hrs or 4hrs 25 mins, as long as the driving is under 4hr 30 then all rules are the same, so for the example it makes no difference and you are just nit picking - (Clunk not Rog)
chester1:
does anyone really give a crap about the wtd
Unfortunately our company do therefore I have to.
wildfire:
I put this question on another site and some of the answers where quite shocking!!!right guys got a scenario to put to you lot and see what your answers will be?..
A driver has a full 15hr shift his start time is 06.00 and finish at 21.00.
He will not do more than 4.25 minutes driving during the whole shift.
He starts at 6 and works till 11.45 at which point he takes a 15 min break.
He then carries on till 17.00 and takes another 15 min break.
He then carries on till 20.30 taking another 15 min break and then finishes at 21.00.
The question is has he done anything wrong? please no comments about he shouldn’t be doing a 15hr day ect, its just a wtd question, either he has broken the rules or he hasn’t its that easy
without reading other comments I would say WTD infringement. 11:45 should have taken a 30min that he would have been ok.
Why not take 15 mins at 5:45 in (first bit the same there) and then 30 mins @ 8:55 in, and another 45 @ 12:30 in… Buggered if I’m going to do “minimum breaks” on a 15 hour shift. You’ll only be deducted for a minimum break at most yards anyways, (RM an exception here) so take as many as you can get away with. Keeping VOSA sweet is more rewarding than working for some gaffer the extra hours for no extra pay otherwise.
mickyblue:
wildfire:
I put this question on another site and some of the answers where quite shocking!!!right guys got a scenario to put to you lot and see what your answers will be?..
A driver has a full 15hr shift his start time is 06.00 and finish at 21.00.
He will not do more than 4.25 minutes driving during the whole shift.
He starts at 6 and works till 11.45 at which point he takes a 15 min break.
He then carries on till 17.00 and takes another 15 min break.
He then carries on till 20.30 taking another 15 min break and then finishes at 21.00.
The question is has he done anything wrong? please no comments about he shouldn’t be doing a 15hr day ect, its just a wtd question, either he has broken the rules or he hasn’t its that easy
without reading other comments I would say WTD infringement. 11:45 should have taken a 30min that he would have been ok.
Why would he need to do that?
mickyblue:
wildfire:
I put this question on another site and some of the answers where quite shocking!!!right guys got a scenario to put to you lot and see what your answers will be?..
A driver has a full 15hr shift his start time is 06.00 and finish at 21.00.
He will not do more than 4.25 minutes driving during the whole shift.
He starts at 6 and works till 11.45 at which point he takes a 15 min break.
He then carries on till 17.00 and takes another 15 min break.
He then carries on till 20.30 taking another 15 min break and then finishes at 21.00.
The question is has he done anything wrong? please no comments about he shouldn’t be doing a 15hr day ect, its just a wtd question, either he has broken the rules or he hasn’t its that easy
without reading other comments I would say WTD infringement. 11:45 should have taken a 30min that he would have been ok.
Maybe you should read the other posts then
KISS is the acronym I use for WTD. As an example, if I start at 0600 I make sure that I’ve had at least 30 mins break by 1200. I then make sure that I’ve had another 30 mins within 6 hours of the end of my last break. Overkill it may be, but it’s simple and avoids complex mathematical gymnastics trying to figure out “when and where?”
Winseer:
Why not take 15 mins at 5:45 in (first bit the same there) and then 30 mins @ 8:55 in, and another 45 @ 12:30 in… Buggered if I’m going to do “minimum breaks” on a 15 hour shift. You’ll only be deducted for a minimum break at most yards anyways, (RM an exception here) so take as many as you can get away with. Keeping VOSA sweet is more rewarding than working for some gaffer the extra hours for no extra pay otherwise.
but do you think the example given is legal or not?
Winseer:
Why not take 15 mins at 5:45 in (first bit the same there) and then 30 mins @ 8:55 in, and another 45 @ 12:30 in… Buggered if I’m going to do “minimum breaks” on a 15 hour shift. You’ll only be deducted for a minimum break at most yards anyways, (RM an exception here) so take as many as you can get away with. Keeping VOSA sweet is more rewarding than working for some gaffer the extra hours for no extra pay otherwise.
The OP did say keep it to a simple “it’s legal” or “it’s not legal”.
the maoster:
KISS is the acronym I use for WTD. As an example, if I start at 0600 I make sure that I’ve had at least 30 mins break by 1200. I then make sure that I’ve had another 30 mins within 6 hours of the end of my last break. Overkill it may be, but it’s simple and avoids complex mathematical gymnastics trying to figure out “when and where?”
A split driving time break will usually sort out all the RTD requirements - that’s why the RTD only requires by design a 15 min break for 6 hours
Why should I work to minimums Rog? I’m paid by the hour, so taking over the minimum in any situation is hardly gonna get me into trouble is it?
the maoster:
KISS is the acronym I use for WTD. As an example, if I start at 0600 I make sure that I’ve had at least 30 mins break by 1200. I then make sure that I’ve had another 30 mins within 6 hours of the end of my last break. Overkill it may be, but it’s simple and avoids complex mathematical gymnastics trying to figure out “when and where?”
So what’s the acronym for then?