ROG:
In the first post the breaks could have been like this …
0600 - 1200 work
1200 - 1220 break
1220 - 1820 work
1820 - 1845 break
1845 - 2100 workOr this …
0600 - 1200 work
1200 - 1215 break
1215 - 1815 work
1815 - 1830 break
1830 - 2030 work
2030 - 2045 break
2045 - 2100 work
Ok rog I know you know your stuff but that’s 45 mins worth of breaks over a 15 hours shift can someone please explain to me where the 30 min for every 6 hours has gone ■■?
samstone90:
ROG:
In the first post the breaks could have been like this …
0600 - 1200 work
1200 - 1220 break
1220 - 1820 work
1820 - 1845 break
1845 - 2100 workOr this …
0600 - 1200 work
1200 - 1215 break
1215 - 1815 work
1815 - 1830 break
1830 - 2030 work
2030 - 2045 break
2045 - 2100 workOk rog I know you know your stuff but that’s 45 mins worth of breaks over a 15 hours shift can someone please explain to me where the 30 min for every 6 hours has gone ■■?
It was never there in the first place legally
ROG:
samstone90:
ROG:
In the first post the breaks could have been like this …
0600 - 1200 work
1200 - 1220 break
1220 - 1820 work
1820 - 1845 break
1845 - 2100 workOr this …
0600 - 1200 work
1200 - 1215 break
1215 - 1815 work
1815 - 1830 break
1830 - 2030 work
2030 - 2045 break
2045 - 2100 workOk rog I know you know your stuff but that’s 45 mins worth of breaks over a 15 hours shift can someone please explain to me where the 30 min for every 6 hours has gone ■■?
It was never there in the first place legally
So if it’s not a legal requirement to have the 30 mins every 6 hours what is the rule then ? Can you explain to me how you worked out those times ?
You only need a 15 min break at 6 hours. It has never been 30 mins.
its a break of 15 min …a mobile worker may NOT WORK more than 6hrs without a break of at least 15min …
the 30 min bit is if you work between 6-9hrs then more than 9 hours = 45 min in TOTAL
the only stipulation is you May NOT work more than 6hrs without a break
going to extremes you could do a whole 15hr shift with no breaks at all 
samstone90:
stevieboy308:
samstone90:
samstone90:
He is wrong because he should have had a 30 min break by 12 noon and another 30min break 6 hour after that first break finished am i right ?Well it’s says he’ took 15 min bbreaks at the times he should have accumulated at least 30 mins as WTD says 30 min break for every 6 hours consecutive work… have I got the wrong end of the stick ?
Yeah you picked up the [zb] end!!
[Zb] knows then can someone explain to me how you can have 15 min breaks every 6 hours because I think he should be having 30 minutes worth within that time period
right it is confusing if you read the rules incorrectly
Breaks:
1— Mobile workers must not work more than 6 consecutive hours without taking a break.
2— If your working hours total between 6 and 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 30 minutes.
3— If your working hours total more than 9 hours, working time should be interrupted by a break or breaks totalling at least 45 minutes.
4— Breaks should be of at least 15 minutes’ duration.
so I will explain it like this,
At no time does he work more than 6 hour without having a break, so he has complied with rule 1. (as soon as you have completed a break of 15 mins the 6 hours start again)
a break must be at least 15 mins, so he has complied with: rule 4
now this is the bit that does confuse people. His total duty/shift is going to be over 9 hours so he has to have a total of 45 minutes break over that period: rule 3,
which can be split into 15 min segments: rule 4,
so as long as he doesn’t exceed 6 hrs work before taking a break: rule 1,
it is totally legal to do it this way, and all the breaks must be taken before the end of his shift.
Milk Man:
He didn’t need to have his 2nd 15 min break before 3pm because his shift is longer than 9 hours.
I mixed that up 
Ok fair enough I thought it was a 30 min break for wtd hands up I was wrong I pritty much always hit my drive time first and when I don’t it’s that close I just have full 45 mins to reset it anyway so this might come in handy for me in the future so thanks all
samstone90:
Ok fair enough I thought it was a 30 min break for wtd hands up I was wrong I pritty much always hit my drive time first and when I don’t it’s that close I just have full 45 mins to reset it anyway so this might come in handy for me in the future so thanks all
Yep, perfectly legal - yes it looks wrong, and is wrong morally, but legally it’s fine
I can’t believe two months before the DCPC deadline by which time most on here should have completed 35 hours of training which is pretty certain to cover WTD the majority of answers posted on here were wrong
Just shows either nobody listened on their courses or - and I reckon this is the answer … Most DCPC trainers haven’t got a flamin clue!!!
I just hope those that have left my classroom do know better
shep532:
I can’t believe two months before the DCPC deadline by which time most on here should have completed 35 hours of training which is pretty certain to cover WTD the majority of answers posted on here were wrongJust shows either nobody listened on their courses or - and I reckon this is the answer … Most DCPC trainers haven’t got a flamin clue!!!
I just hope those that have left my classroom do know better
Or option C. The trainer was right but the person sitting the course had the attitude that they’d been doing the job ■■ amount of years and there was nothing they needed to learn. This seems to be the majority of posts I read from the people who don’t have a clue.
shep532:
I can’t believe two months before the DCPC deadline by which time most on here should have completed 35 hours of training which is pretty certain to cover WTD the majority of answers posted on here were wrongJust shows either nobody listened on their courses or - and I reckon this is the answer … Most DCPC trainers haven’t got a flamin clue!!!
I just hope those that have left my classroom do know better
As there’s no test there is no way of knowing (unless you add your own which they’ll all know counts for nowt).
Providing drivers are doing their driving within the rules in their present job I’m really not sure of the value of adding the confusion of scenarios many are unlikely to encounter.
m1cks:
shep532:
I can’t believe two months before the DCPC deadline by which time most on here should have completed 35 hours of training which is pretty certain to cover WTD the majority of answers posted on here were wrongJust shows either nobody listened on their courses or - and I reckon this is the answer … Most DCPC trainers haven’t got a flamin clue!!!
I just hope those that have left my classroom do know better
Or option C. The trainer was right but the person sitting the course had the attitude that they’d been doing the job ■■ amount of years and there was nothing they needed to learn. This seems to be the majority of posts I read from the people who don’t have a clue.
As above, in fairness, they probably do know their job, or they’d be getting a load of infringements. The problem is they think they know everyone else’s job.
wildfire:
I put this question on another site and some of the answers where quite shocking!!!
Was it Mumsnet though?
Own Account Driver:
shep532:
I can’t believe two months before the DCPC deadline by which time most on here should have completed 35 hours of training which is pretty certain to cover WTD the majority of answers posted on here were wrongJust shows either nobody listened on their courses or - and I reckon this is the answer … Most DCPC trainers haven’t got a flamin clue!!!
I just hope those that have left my classroom do know better
As there’s no test there is no way of knowing (unless you add your own which they’ll all know counts for nowt).
Providing drivers are doing their driving within the rules in their present job I’m really not sure of the value of adding the confusion of scenarios many are unlikely to encounter.
I just wanted to see if people actually understood the rules that they have to work under. and between this site and the other it is abundantly clear that a lot do not, or have been taught by people that don’t, which means that they are leaving themselves open to fines from dvsa, I know the scenario was extreme but I just wanted people to think 
The alternative view, and I think pretty likely, could be that the rules are unnecessarily complex though.
shep532:
I can’t believe two months before the DCPC deadline by which time most on here should have completed 35 hours of training which is pretty certain to cover WTD the majority of answers posted on here were wrong
Although to be fair, the WTD is there to convey minimum rights to a driver unlike the EU driving regs which impose restriction on what he can do. If a driver fails to have rests inline with WTD requirements then the first question i’d ask an employer is…“given you are responsible for ensuring adherence to drivers legislation and WTD and are responsible for planing such work, what methods to you employ to ensure this happens?” They do have that duty.
Own Account Driver:
The alternative view, and I think pretty likely, could be that the rules are unnecessarily complex though.
Although using the method used years ago, i.e a 15 minute tea break mid morning, half hour or hour for lunch and another 15 minute tea break midafternoon would satisfy most scenarios. The uneccesary complex bit comes about by trying to run the truck with no breaks, or minimum breaks throughout the course of a day. I’ve often been asked…“how come you never put it on break when…”. And of course salaried drivers or those on day rates seem to be prepared to forgo any sort of social legislation in the form of breaks or rests in order to “crack on” or “just get finished”.
wildfire:
Own Account Driver:
shep532:
I can’t believe two months before the DCPC deadline by which time most on here should have completed 35 hours of training which is pretty certain to cover WTD the majority of answers posted on here were wrongJust shows either nobody listened on their courses or - and I reckon this is the answer … Most DCPC trainers haven’t got a flamin clue!!!
I just hope those that have left my classroom do know better
As there’s no test there is no way of knowing (unless you add your own which they’ll all know counts for nowt).
Providing drivers are doing their driving within the rules in their present job I’m really not sure of the value of adding the confusion of scenarios many are unlikely to encounter.
I just wanted to see if people actually understood the rules that they have to work under. and between this site and the other it is abundantly clear that a lot do not, or have been taught by people that don’t, which means that they are leaving themselves open to fines from dvsa, I know the scenario was extreme but I just wanted people to think
to be fair tho in defence to myself what I am doing is perfectly legal I would have just been having 15 mins longer than needed I’ve only been driving HGV just under 2 years and never done cpc classroom as I just did the two extra tests with my licence so I’m still learning and just happy that today thanks to you guys I’ve learnt something new ( might get home 15 mins early one of the days 
)