Carryfast:
Slowing down to 15-20 mph below the limit so they don’t plough through the nearside of all those zb’s in the closed lane who have to slow up to that speed before trying to merge or hit the cones instead.
Did i do something wrong or Illlegal then ?
Did i plough into the side of somebody?
Did i hit the cones?
Was the lane closed where i was driving , i thought the lane was closed where the cones started ?
Sorry i forgot the rolling eyes emotiocon
Carryfast,
I disagree with you over railways, I disagree with you over the economy in the 1970s and unions BUT on this you are spot on. If folks were not trying to barge in at the last minute the vehicles would be entering the roadworks at 40 mph + SAFELY and less queuing.
Jimboy, in your case, the bargers had already done the damage
73 de Tony
Carryfast:
Slowing down to 15-20 mph below the limit so they don’t plough through the nearside of all those zb’s in the closed lane who have to slow up to that speed before trying to merge or hit the cones instead.
It seems to be a trait up there that they drive well below certain posted speed limits, most do around 40 mph in the 50 mph section through Conwy where it is two lanes, the same as the 70mph sections before and after the town.
I have been up and down that road many times over the last couple of months and they slow to well below the roadworks speed limit whether there is anyone in the outside lane or not, they are even down to less than the posted limit 1000 or more yards before the closure. Why the [zb] would anyone want to poodle along at 25 mph when there is over half a mile of perfectly usable carriageway available?
In that video he does exactly what the signs instruct drivers to do. ‘USE BOTH LANES’ is the sign around 1000 yards before the closure, you can see it 0:02 into the video, then ‘MERGE IN TURN AHEAD’ is the sign at the 200 yard marker, you can see it 1:02 into the video.
Coffeeholic:
Carryfast:
Slowing down to 15-20 mph below the limit so they don’t plough through the nearside of all those zb’s in the closed lane who have to slow up to that speed before trying to merge or hit the cones instead.It seems to be a trait up there that they drive well below certain posted speed limits, most do around 40 mph in the 50 mph section through Conwy where it is two lanes, the same as the 70mph sections before and after the town.
I have been up and down that road many times over the last couple of months and they slow to well below the roadworks speed limit whether there is anyone in the outside lane or not, they are even down to less than the posted limit 1000 or more yards before the closure. Why the [zb] would anyone want to poodle along at 25 mph when there is over half a mile of perfectly usable carriageway available?
In that video he does exactly what the signs instruct drivers to do. ‘USE BOTH LANES’ is the sign around 1000 yards before the closure, you can see it 0:02 into the video, then ‘MERGE IN TURN AHEAD’ is the sign at the 200 yard marker, you can see it 1:02 into the video.
The issue is’nt about how they may or may not drive in welsh land it’s a general issue related to the right way to deal with lane closures.
But that signing is obviously made to suit the driving standards of every zb who they know is probably going to run down the lane,that they’ve been told is closing down,until the last possible point where they then expect all the traffic in the open lane to have to slow up to let them in,at a speed that will prevent them running into the cones and that speed has to be a lot less than 40 mph if you need to merge in less room than 200 yds ahead,because at that speed you’d hit the cones in less than 10 seconds time from distance of the sign instructing traffic to merge and there’s no way that you can carry out all the observation and indication needed and then make a safe lane change in that amount of time.
G8YMW:
Carryfast,
I disagree with you over railways, I disagree with you over the economy in the 1970s and unions BUT on this you are spot on. If folks were not trying to barge in at the last minute the vehicles would be entering the roadworks at 40 mph + SAFELY and less queuing.Jimboy, in your case, the bargers had already done the damage
73 de Tony
Not at all. You are just like Carryfast - neither have got a [zb] clue how to drive and use/read the road. If you stopped frothing and spending all your time trying to block those that ARE using the road properly then the bottlenecks at the entrance the roadworks would not occur. The problem is you’re all that stupid that you can’t even see that it’s YOU that’s the cause of all the problems. Just use your ■■■■■■■ brains and wake the ■■■■ up. It ain’t rocket science ffs. 
Rob K:
G8YMW:
Carryfast,
I disagree with you over railways, I disagree with you over the economy in the 1970s and unions BUT on this you are spot on. If folks were not trying to barge in at the last minute the vehicles would be entering the roadworks at 40 mph + SAFELY and less queuing.Jimboy, in your case, the bargers had already done the damage
73 de Tony
Not at all. You are just like Carryfast - neither have got a [zb] clue how to drive and use/read the road. If you stopped frothing and spending all your time trying to block those that ARE using the road properly then the bottlenecks at the entrance the roadworks would not occur. The problem is you’re all that stupid that you can’t even see that it’s YOU that’s the cause of all the problems. Just use your [zb] brains and wake the [zb] up. It ain’t rocket science ffs.
How the zb can it be me who’d be ‘blocking’ the zb road if I’m minding my own business in the lane that I should be in,because a zb great big sign has told me which lane/s is/are closing down ages ago.
But some zb who could’nt give a zb about wicket signs decides to go down a closed lane and then has to brake like zb to miss the zb cones which means that I’m the one being blocked because I’m the one who’s got to slow down to let the stupid zb in before he runs out of zb road. 
But then what can you expect from Brit drivers who’ve probably never learnt what it really means to ‘read’ the road bearing in mind that there are’nt that many of them who’ve ever driven a decent car capable of a lot more than 150 mph flat out on an unlimited motorway.
Rob K wrote
Not at all. You are just like Carryfast - neither have got a [zb] clue how to drive and use/read the road. If you stopped frothing and spending all your time trying to block those that ARE using the road properly then the bottlenecks at the entrance the roadworks would not occur. The problem is you’re all that stupid that you can’t even see that it’s YOU that’s the cause of all the problems. Just use your [zb] brains and wake the [zb] up. It ain’t rocket science ffs.
Rob, what are you on about?
What is this “frothing” ?
I dont block roads up, I’ve read the road well before the closure and am already merged ready.
What problems am I causing??
I’m not charging down the lane that is going to close and I do not cause the traffic to nearly stop because I’m not trying to be clever by barging in at the last second.
Answer me this .
Which gets more traffic through, entering the roadworks at 40 mph or 5 mph?
To quote you, “Its not rocket science”
Carryfast:
How the zb can it be me who’d be ‘blocking’ the zb road if I’m minding my own business in the lane that I should be in,because a zb great big sign has told me which lane/s is/are closing down ages ago.
So you pick and choose the signs you want and get irate about people who follow the instructions on others?
Carryfast:
But some zb who could’nt give a zb about wicket signs decides to go down a closed lane…
No one is talking about going down a closed lane, the lane is open and usable up to the clearly defined merge point. A merge point they are now putting sings up to explain what and where it is to the terminally confused such as your self .
Carryfast:
and then has to brake like zb to miss the zb cones
I often go down the less congested lane, in both car and truck, and have never had to brake like [zb] to miss the cones. I didn’t see any braking like [zb] in that video.
Carryfast:
which means that I’m the one being blocked because I’m the one who’s got to slow down to let the stupid zb in before he runs out of zb road.
You chose to move over, or stay in the lane, when you did and just because other people don’t all fall into line behind you doesn’t make them wrong.
You are slowing down anyway, the roadworks have a lower limit than the approach, and all you have to do is leave a gap for another vehicle to merge into. It’s a very simple concept ruined by drivers who have the attitude that anyone who hasn’t moved over by the time they have is queue jumping.
i have been through the roadworks on the A55 almost every day recently and the zip merging thing generally works well because along with slowing to way below the limit drivers up there seem more willing to yield than in other areas. I once had a car come to a complete stop in front of me on the A55 to let someone join from a slip road. 
On most occasions I have been through them recently everyone, lane 1 and 2 slows down, gaps open in lane 1 and traffic from lane 2 merges, as can be seen from the posted video.
I really don’t understand the mentality of people who want to make the closure even longer by not using, or blocking other from using, an open section of the network because of some BS about queue jumping.
Carryfast:
But then what can you expect from Brit drivers who’ve probably never learnt what it really means to ‘read’ the …
For once I agree with you, it is Brit drivers who are the problem. The zip merging system at the point of closure works very well in other countries and it’s only the Island Monkey attitude of people in this country who have this mistaken belief people are queue jumping, a queue that actually only exists in their head at some imaginary point they have decided on, that frequently causes the system to fall down here. For someone to jump ‘the queue’ they would have to go past the merge point and move over then.
I wonder do you get irate in the supermarket if you are waiting in line at cashier number 4 and someone joins the shorter line at cashier number 5 and gets through before you? 
G8YMW:
I dont block roads up, I’ve read the road well before the closure and am already merged ready.
What problems am I causing??
None, unless you have closed right up on the vehicle in front to prevent zip merging from working. You decided when you wanted to move over, that’s your choice, but people who don’t move over then and continue to use an open lane, and are encouraged to do so by the signs in order to not make the closure longer than necessary, are not doing anything wrong either.
G8YMW:
I’m not charging down the lane that is going to close and I do not cause the traffic to nearly stop because I’m not trying to be clever by barging in at the last second.
That sentence shows exactly why zip merging isn’t being allowed to work. Charging, barging, last second. While people think in those terms it will never work. Who said anything about charging or barging in at the last second? There were no signs of charging or barging in the posted video.
It’s not the traffic in the lane which is closing ahead causing the traffic to nearly stop, it’s the ones in the lane which is remaining open causing the problem by not leaving the gaps they should because as far as they are concerned anyone who has gone past them must be charging along, queue jumping and barging in.
You have to slow for the roadworks anyway so it doesn’t take much to leave a gap for someone to merge into. That’s what I do when I am in the lane which is not closing and generally I don’t have to slow very much or come to a stop when the zip merging system is working, as it tends to do in other countries.
You’re wasting your time Neil. Arguing with stupid people is pointless as they never ‘get it’. Save your breath/fingers.
Rob K:
You’re wasting your time Neil. Arguing with stupid people is pointless as they never ‘get it’. Save your breath/fingers.
I think the driver done very well to get that close to the merge point and not one neighbourhood watch member pulled across to block him. You’d never get that on the A40…
jimboy124:
Rob K:
You’re wasting your time Neil. Arguing with stupid people is pointless as they never ‘get it’. Save your breath/fingers.
My thoughts exactly 
Rob K:
You’re wasting your time Neil. Arguing with stupid people is pointless as they never ‘get it’. Save your breath/fingers.
Yeah, I know. It’s just annoying that a system which can work well, and does as a rule in other countries, is prevented from working over here because of this ridiculous queue jumping notion people have. It’s classic Inselaffe.
Coffeeholic:
It’s classic Inselaffe.
Oi!!! Watch it, Hobbs 
Inselaffe:
Coffeeholic:
It’s classic Inselaffe.Oi!!! Watch it, Hobbs
Rob K:
As so many members and other drivers don’t know how to do it … here is how it should be done…’
Why don’t we vote for a Government that is capable of leading us with issues such as these - ie, instead of wanting to control Libyan airspace as a priority?
Rob K:
‘…Some common sense needs to applied, obviously…’
Is there such a commodity as ‘…common sense…’ any more within a nation of diversity as beloved by liberal pinkos and barked at us by Blair/Brown, etc.
We can’t have it all ways - so ‘why aren’t we being lead properly?’
Coffeeholic:
It’s just annoying that a system which can work well, and does as a rule in other countries, is prevented from working over here because of this ridiculous queue jumping notion people have. It’s classic Inselaffe.
Hmm. Less to do with British queue mentality, more to do with traffic density IMHO. Chronically busy roads promote higher stress levels and selfish driving habits. The traffic densities in other countries (on the whole) tend to be much lower than here in the UK, promoting a more easy going less confrontational attitude to ones fellow motorists. Realistically it doesn’t matter too much if merging occurs 100 yards from the constriction or 1000, the effect is still the same and overall should create the same level of delay in either case. What causes the problem is the constant refusal of motorists to leave enough room to the car in front or to give way, creating ‘log jams’. Drivers need proper education.
A1ex:
Coffeeholic:
It’s just annoying that a system which can work well, and does as a rule in other countries, is prevented from working over here because of this ridiculous queue jumping notion people have. It’s classic Inselaffe.Hmm. Less to do with British queue mentality, more to do with traffic density IMHO. Chronically busy roads promote higher stress levels and selfish driving habits. The traffic densities in other countries (on the whole) tend to be much lower than here in the UK, promoting a more easy going less confrontational attitude to ones fellow motorists.
Parts of the German and Dutch networks are just as busy as the UK but drivers there are better educated with regards to things such as lane discipline and zip merging. The Germans in particular don’t have the same queuing mentality as Brits, we’ve all seen them on holiday in Spain and elsewhere, so don’t tend to close right up to prevent someone from ‘jumping the queue’
A1ex:
Realistically it doesn’t matter too much if merging occurs 100 yards from the constriction or 1000, the effect is still the same and overall should create the same level of delay in either case. What causes the problem is the constant refusal of motorists to leave enough room to the car in front or to give way, creating ‘log jams’. Drivers need proper education.
Couldn’t agree more.