HOW TO: Zip merging

streaky:
Yeah works wonders that ‘zip merging’, last night on the M6 down to one lane, 2 artic’s in front, I was quicker but not quick enough to do 2 in 800 yards, along comes Mr stupid in his girly car and nearly puts himself into the cones before pulling in front of the driver ahead. The container driver then gives him full on horns and afull beam and we all then get brake tested! What are these people on■■?
It’s because of these sort of idiots that the queues happen.
Maybe there’s a reason not to let all these prat’s through hey?
:imp:

Some common sense needs to applied, obviously. If the traffic is free flowing then you move out of the closed lane asap.

Rob K:

streaky:
Yeah works wonders that ‘zip merging’, last night on the M6 down to one lane, 2 artic’s in front, I was quicker but not quick enough to do 2 in 800 yards, along comes Mr stupid in his girly car and nearly puts himself into the cones before pulling in front of the driver ahead. The container driver then gives him full on horns and afull beam and we all then get brake tested! What are these people on■■?
It’s because of these sort of idiots that the queues happen.
Maybe there’s a reason not to let all these prat’s through hey?
:imp:

Some common sense needs to applied, obviously. If the traffic is free flowing then you move out of the closed lane asap.

Yes common sense is slightly lacking in my experience!
Good to see you back to full health Rob K.

streaky:

Rob K:

streaky:
Yeah works wonders that ‘zip merging’, last night on the M6 down to one lane, 2 artic’s in front, I was quicker but not quick enough to do 2 in 800 yards, along comes Mr stupid in his girly car and nearly puts himself into the cones before pulling in front of the driver ahead. The container driver then gives him full on horns and afull beam and we all then get brake tested! What are these people on■■?
It’s because of these sort of idiots that the queues happen.
Maybe there’s a reason not to let all these prat’s through hey?
:imp:

Some common sense needs to applied, obviously. If the traffic is free flowing then you move out of the closed lane asap.

Yes common sense is slightly lacking in my experience!

Yes!

Good to see you back to full health Rob K.

Thanks. I’m not, but I could be worse. :neutral_face:

I’d PM you to wish you well!! :laughing:

schrodingers cat:

Carryfast:
Firstly a roundabout is the same as any junction you don’t enter it unless your exit is clear,or in the case of traffic light controlled ones,where they try to mix both ideas of traffic on it giving way to traffic entering it and vice versa at the same time :unamused:,you should still only enter it if you can at least clear the exit before the lights.

But the issue of short stretches of dual carriageway followed by single carriageway is the same and just as bad as putting out lane closure signs too late.It just creates a bottle kneck that actually causes traffic to slow down to merge instead of running at a decent continuous speed.What is the point of providing an overtaking lane for half a mile subject to a 50 limit when leaving it as single carriageway,without the bottle kneck,would actually be sufficient considering the limit applying to the road half a mile ahead.

Seems to me yet more confusion between capacity versus flow rates.The reason for extra lanes is’nt to increase capacity it’s to provide for overtaking and there’s not much point in providing an overtaking lane for half a mile if it just creates a bottle kneck where it merges and therefore traffic needs to slow down to merge safely in the context of the extra lane/s is being used as a way to increase capacity for half a mile not for overtaking.

Under the IAM’s logic the idea is to have lines of merging traffic,of two or more lanes,that is maybe two or three times shorter than the same line would be if it was one lane. :unamused:

But using my logic the single lane of traffic would be moving more than two or three times faster if it did’nt have to slow down to allow the slower moving merging traffic from the closed lanes to merge at a slower speed. :unamused:

What a load of old tosh carryfast :unamused: . I take you dont enter a roundabout with a queue on it until rush hours over? Show us the bit in the highway code that says you should not enter a roundabout until the exit is clear.

And why on earth do you think there are stretches of motorway with 4,5 even 6 lanes its obviously to increase capacity, If a dual carraigeway running at capacity is taken down to one lane, the vehicles will have to get closer together and will naturally slow down, and that doesnt matter whether its at the cones or a mile before them.

The real delays happen when you get some idiot trying to play policeman and blocking one lane or playing how close can I get the the bumper of the car in front to stop someone who knows how the traffic should flow getting in in front.

Blimey you should join the IAM you’d fit in perfectly.

So you’re one of that lot who always blocks roundabouts and who has’nt got a clue about the meaning of lane discipline.You’re right there are stretches of motorway with more than 3 lanes in each direction but the rule of the road remains the same you should stay in lane 1/left hand lane unless you’re overtaking and it’s a bit difficult to overtake if the overtaking lane/s is closed and the fact is there’s no way that you can merge at as high a speed when you’re close to the cones as a long way before them or you’ll run out of zb road. :unamused:

Rob K:

streaky:
Yeah works wonders that ‘zip merging’, last night on the M6 down to one lane, 2 artic’s in front, I was quicker but not quick enough to do 2 in 800 yards, along comes Mr stupid in his girly car and nearly puts himself into the cones before pulling in front of the driver ahead. The container driver then gives him full on horns and afull beam and we all then get brake tested! What are these people on■■?
It’s because of these sort of idiots that the queues happen.
Maybe there’s a reason not to let all these prat’s through hey?
:imp:

Some common sense needs to applied, obviously. If the traffic is free flowing then you move out of the closed lane asap.

But the traffic won’t be free flowing ‘unless’ everyone moves out of the closed lane asap and while they’re still able to do so at a decent speed. :unamused: It’s all the lot who leave it late who start the slowing up process that causes the tailback.

No problem at the roadworks on Saturday, traffic wasn’t too heavy and well spaced apart so it all zipped into one lane with around 100 metres to go and flowed easily, at an indicated 45, through the 40 mph single lane section.

Unfortunately further on there was a delay due to an accident and we had to suffer a self appointed traffic cop who decided to block off several hundred metres of usable lane. :imp: :smiling_imp: :imp: :unamused: :unamused:

Coffeeholic:
No problem at the roadworks on Saturday, traffic wasn’t too heavy and well spaced apart so it all zipped into one lane with around 100 metres to go and flowed easily, at an indicated 45, through the 40 mph single lane section.

Unfortunately further on there was a delay due to an accident and we had to suffer a self appointed traffic cop who decided to block off several hundred metres of usable lane. :imp: :smiling_imp: :imp: :unamused: :unamused:

You said it all there Neil, ‘All down to 1 lane with around 100 metres to go and flowed easily’ unfortunatley the problem I see night after night is people leaving it up until they hit the cones or actually hitting one of the poor blokes putting them out until they get in and then deciding they’ll 30mph all the way through the because they feel bad! this is why we get backed up.

Coffee, I like the pic. We should start posting more pictures of these muppets. Name and shame is the way forward.

We could call it the “(Pretend) Police Squad” thread!

Coffeeholic:
No problem at the roadworks on Saturday, traffic wasn’t too heavy and well spaced apart so it all zipped into one lane with around 100 metres to go and flowed easily, at an indicated 45, through the 40 mph single lane section.

Unfortunately further on there was a delay due to an accident and we had to suffer a self appointed traffic cop who decided to block off several hundred metres of usable lane. :imp: :smiling_imp: :imp: :unamused: :unamused:0

Those people just need a mouthfull of abuse and a kick up the arse…

Lol Carryfast I wish I lived in your world. Unfortunately the world I live in has roads running at full capacity at most times. This means that when 2 lanes merge into 1 there is not enough room for everyone to move along at the same speed so traffic HAS to slow whether they merge 1000m before the cones or right at them. I agree that on the rare occasion that the traffic is not running at capacity merging well before the cones works and the speed can be maintained. However once the traffic has slowed the best thing to do is use both lanes up to the cones as recommended and used over the rest of Europe with a great deal of success.

As for blocking roundabouts sometimes you have to out push into the traffic flow in my busy old world because if you are in a queue onto a roundabout, waiting for your exit to clear would take until the end of rush hour so you would be blocking all the traffic entering the roundabout behind you. (I see you havent managed to find the bit of legislation that stated you should not enter a roundabout unless your exit is clear yet, keep looking :laughing: ). But no if I can avoid it I will not block other traffic.

You also state that extra lanes are there for overtaking and not extra capacity, again in my unfortunate world when the roads are getting to over-capacity, the extra lanes do have to hansle the extra capacity, you may have noticed if you ever get into a traffic jam that lanes 1,2,3,4,5 even 6 tend to run at around the same speed, one sometimes faster than the other, this is why greater minds than yours and mine decided to put 6 lanes in. They realised that if traffic did not get wide it would have to be long and the result of long would be to gridlock up everything further back that may not even want to use the really congested bit.

Now I think I have explained my thoughts logically and clearly maybe if you read this you will stop supporting the blockers.

hammer:
Coffee, I like the pic. We should start posting more pictures of these muppets. Name and shame is the way forward.

We could call it the “(Pretend) Police Squad” thread!

SARP

Self Appointed Road Police.

schrodingers cat:
Lol Carryfast I wish I lived in your world. Unfortunately the world I live in has roads running at full capacity at most times. This means that when 2 lanes merge into 1 there is not enough room for everyone to move along at the same speed so traffic HAS to slow whether they merge 1000m before the cones or right at them. I agree that on the rare occasion that the traffic is not running at capacity merging well before the cones works and the speed can be maintained. However once the traffic has slowed the best thing to do is use both lanes up to the cones as recommended and used over the rest of Europe with a great deal of success.

As for blocking roundabouts sometimes you have to out push into the traffic flow in my busy old world because if you are in a queue onto a roundabout, waiting for your exit to clear would take until the end of rush hour so you would be blocking all the traffic entering the roundabout behind you. (I see you havent managed to find the bit of legislation that stated you should not enter a roundabout unless your exit is clear yet, keep looking :laughing: ). But no if I can avoid it I will not block other traffic.

You also state that extra lanes are there for overtaking and not extra capacity, again in my unfortunate world when the roads are getting to over-capacity, the extra lanes do have to hansle the extra capacity, you may have noticed if you ever get into a traffic jam that lanes 1,2,3,4,5 even 6 tend to run at around the same speed, one sometimes faster than the other, this is why greater minds than yours and mine decided to put 6 lanes in. They realised that if traffic did not get wide it would have to be long and the result of long would be to gridlock up everything further back that may not even want to use the really congested bit.

Now I think I have explained my thoughts logically and clearly maybe if you read this you will stop supporting the blockers.

Nothing logical about any of that.

Most of the issues concerning motorways with all lanes running at the same speed,and sometimes even with overtaking lanes running slower than the inside lane,at so called ‘capacity’,can be put down to zb lane discipline.

The ‘rest of Europe’ usually puts out no overtaking signs before lane closures which means that in most cases my idea applies,not yours,in that the traffic is already merged,at relatively high speed,before it reaches the closure,which means no slowing up is required,by traffic in the open lane/s,to allow all those idiots who want to use closed lanes to ‘merge’ at a relatively low speed to stop them running into the cones.

But roundabouts and junctions whatever just carry on doing it your way until some mad motor cyclist decides to go round the roundabout,or through a junction,at motor bike type speeds and suddenly finds the overhang of your truck in his way. :open_mouth: :unamused:

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dieseldave:
:shock: Carryfast meets ROG, and both meet their match!! :open_mouth:

ROG:

Carryfast:
So try merging at 55 mph when you’re a foot away from the zb cones. :imp: :unamused:

That does not fit in with the advice below

ROG:
At fast flowing speeds then getting in the open lane early is the safest way

At slow speeds then using all free lanes to the cones is the safest way as it makes the queues shorter by utilising all available road space

Of course it doesn’t ROG, and that’s because Carryfast is the new ROG :grimacing:

:bulb: I recently took part in a wonderful discussion in which Carryfast argued with himself!!

Both cases of Theory arguing with actuality and suffering from a Gordon Brittas complex :wink:

Carryfast:
Nothing logical about any of that.

LOL you made that point clear with your reasoned argument

Most of the issues concerning motorways with all lanes running at the same speed,and sometimes even with overtaking lanes running slower than the inside lane,at so called ‘capacity’,can be put down to zb lane discipline.

Cant be arsed to explain to you again that all the traffic in lanes 12&3 simply cant magic themselves into 1 lane with no effect on traffic speed

The ‘rest of Europe’ usually puts out no overtaking signs before lane closures which means that in most cases my idea applies,not yours,in that the traffic is already merged,at relatively high speed,before it reaches the closure,which means no slowing up is required,by traffic in the open lane/s,to allow all those idiots who want to use closed lanes to ‘merge’ at a relatively low speed to stop them running into the cones.

1 which countries have no overtaking signs before lane closures? Ive driven plenty of Europe but not seen any signs like you describe…Merging at speed no problem on nearly empty roads, but impossible to merge with no effect on traffic speeds on average daytime UK roads (see previous argument)

But roundabouts and junctions whatever just carry on doing it your way until some mad motor cyclist decides to go round the roundabout,or through a junction,at motor bike type speeds and suddenly finds the overhang of your truck in his way. :open_mouth: :unamused:

If you are going to lose sleep over a motorcyclist riding at speed into the side of your legally placed stationary vehicle on a congested roundabout then maybe you are a bit too sensitive for the job, its just called Darwinism, that idiot would not have survived anyway…

Im going to assume you wont be producing evidence of the law that states you cannot enter a roundabout with your exit being clear? :unamused:

schrodingers cat:

Carryfast:
Nothing logical about any of that.

LOL you made that point clear with your reasoned argument

Most of the issues concerning motorways with all lanes running at the same speed,and sometimes even with overtaking lanes running slower than the inside lane,at so called ‘capacity’,can be put down to zb lane discipline.

Cant be arsed to explain to you again that all the traffic in lanes 12&3 simply cant magic themselves into 1 lane with no effect on traffic speed

The ‘rest of Europe’ usually puts out no overtaking signs before lane closures which means that in most cases my idea applies,not yours,in that the traffic is already merged,at relatively high speed,before it reaches the closure,which means no slowing up is required,by traffic in the open lane/s,to allow all those idiots who want to use closed lanes to ‘merge’ at a relatively low speed to stop them running into the cones.

1 which countries have no overtaking signs before lane closures? Ive driven plenty of Europe but not seen any signs like you describe…Merging at speed no problem on nearly empty roads, but impossible to merge with no effect on traffic speeds on average daytime UK roads (see previous argument)

But roundabouts and junctions whatever just carry on doing it your way until some mad motor cyclist decides to go round the roundabout,or through a junction,at motor bike type speeds and suddenly finds the overhang of your truck in his way. :open_mouth: :unamused:

If you are going to lose sleep over a motorcyclist riding at speed into the side of your legally placed stationary vehicle on a congested roundabout then maybe you are a bit too sensitive for the job, its just called Darwinism, that idiot would not have survived anyway…

Im going to assume you wont be producing evidence of the law that states you cannot enter a roundabout with your exit being clear? :unamused:

I’m not surprised that you can’t be bothered to provide some decent reasoning,as to why traffic can’t keep moving at a faster speed,if it merges sooner and further away from lane closures,than later nearer to them and there’s no reasons why traffic could’nt keep moving at the type of limits applying through most lane closures,during uk daytime conditions (unless some idiot decides to zb up the flow rates by leaving it too late to merge,or just feels like driving at less than the limit,thereby backing up all the traffic,which is what usually happens.

So you’ve driven in plenty of countries in europe but you’ve never seen any no overtaking signs put out long before lane closures. :open_mouth: And if a biker runs into the side of your wagon,while it’s sitting across the road,because your exit from a junction was’nt clear,you’ll just tell the investigating copper that it’s just Darwinism and the idiot would’nt have survived long anyway.Says it all really. :unamused:

Whats the problem?

jimboy124:
Whats the problem?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBRNVDLMMh0&feature=youtube_gdata

Gotta love those drivers on the A55 who slow down to 15 - 20 mph below the limit and leave nice gaps to merge into.

All the judges, apart from the Daily Mail reading one, scored you 6.0 for that! :wink:

Coffeeholic:

jimboy124:
Whats the problem?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBRNVDLMMh0&feature=youtube_gdata

Gotta love those drivers on the A55 who slow down to 15 - 20 mph below the limit and leave nice gaps to merge into.

All the judges, apart from the Daily Mail reading one, scored you 6.0 for that! :wink:

Slowing down to 15-20 mph below the limit so they don’t plough through the nearside of all those zb’s in the closed lane who have to slow up to that speed before trying to merge or hit the cones instead. :unamused: :imp:

Coffeeholic:

jimboy124:
Whats the problem?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBRNVDLMMh0&feature=youtube_gdata

Gotta love those drivers on the A55 who slow down to 15 - 20 mph below the limit and leave nice gaps to merge into.

All the judges, apart from the Daily Mail reading one, scored you 6.0 for that! :wink:

I cant believe that,400yds from the cones theres even a bloody motorcycle in the queue in the inside lane,what a ■■■■■ :unamused: :unamused: