chester:
bigr250:
dri-diddly-iver:
There is a large sign on entry to (Corus) SSI Lackenby that reads;“Just because you have ALWAYS done it that way doesn’t mean it’s right”
BUT IT DOESN’T MEAN IT’S WRONG EITHER!!!
Ross.
If it doesnt follow the Department of transports code of practice then how can it be anything but wrong?
That sign probably relates to H&S in general not just road transport operations 
chester:
bigr250:
dri-diddly-iver:
There is a large sign on entry to (Corus) SSI Lackenby that reads;“Just because you have ALWAYS done it that way doesn’t mean it’s right”
BUT IT DOESN’T MEAN IT’S WRONG EITHER!!!
Ross.
If it doesnt follow the Department of transports code of practice then how can it be anything but wrong?
Who’s talking about department of transvestites c/o/p anyway? I was refering to a sign in a Corus depot, so not me!!!
BTW, are you saying that the D o T gets everything right? & if you do it ‘their way’ & the load still falls of they’ll say; “well, you did it our way so it’s not really your fault”!!
DREAM ON.
have you seen the industry standard practice of securing those giant paper reels…i hate those giant paper reels.
commonrail:
have you seen the industry standard practice of securing those giant paper reels…i hate those giant paper reels.
the 3t ones stood on their end secured by gravity! or the bigger ones the are laid down that get properly chocked and strapped up, possibly 6t
the long ones stood on their ends…with an internal thrown over the edge
Just becausr you’ve always done it that way… GET REAL- It’s YOUR licence, YOUR living and maybe someone else’s life.
If you insist on cutting corners and behaving thoroughly unprofessionally just to save yourself half an hour and your boss a few quid, then go ahead, but for [zb] sake please wait until I and my family are safely away from the roads. If you are unwilling or unable to make your vehicle and it’s load safe, LEAVE THE ■■■■ THING WHERE IT IS. You are sitting on a time bomb, matey. Sooner or later it’s all going to go ■■■■ up then guess who is going to carry the can?
Rant over.
For now.
Because there is 26 tons going down(gravity) held up by the base of the trailer.The imposed load on the staps in a straight line is zero.When you go round a corner load is put on the straps and its down to the vehicles angular momentum which is transferred to the load how much force is applied to the straps.
The momentum first has to beat the friction holding the pallets together,eg trailer bed,load rail,shrink wrap before it can start to shift the load sideways.If the pallets are pushed up tight this acts as one Block of 26 tons so a lot of force has to be applied to move 26000 kg but if there are gaps in the load then you have 26 units of 1000 kg trying to move which takes far less energy to move sideways and your up the creek first hard corner you come to.
If you only have 2 straps they should be across the back of the load to keep the pallets tight and keep them all together as one unit load.Cos if you got enough angular momentum to put 26 thousand kilos through the side of a curtain you should have been riding a bloody motorbike not driving a truck.
Retired Old ■■■■:
Just becausr you’ve always done it that way… GET REAL- It’s YOUR licence, YOUR living and maybe someone else’s life.
If you insist on cutting corners and behaving thoroughly unprofessionally just to save yourself half an hour and your boss a few quid, then go ahead, but for [zb] sake please wait until I and my family are safely away from the roads. If you are unwilling or unable to make your vehicle and it’s load safe, LEAVE THE ■■■■ THING WHERE IT IS. You are sitting on a time bomb, matey. Sooner or later it’s all going to go ■■■■ up then guess who is going to carry the can?Rant over.
For now.
So, what’s to say I’ve been doing it wrong all these years? That’s your assumption!!! I was only questioning the placard that was sugggesting that I needed to change the way I did my job!!
Ross.
Bking:
Because there is 26 tons going down(gravity) held up by the base of the trailer.The imposed load on the staps in a straight line is zero.When you go round a corner load is put on the straps and its down to the vehicles angular momentum which is transferred to the load how much force is applied to the straps.The momentum first has to beat the friction holding the pallets together,eg trailer bed,load rail,shrink wrap before it can start to shift the load sideways.If the pallets are pushed up tight this acts as one Block of 26 tons so a lot of force has to be applied to move 26000 kg but if there are gaps in the load then you have 26 units of 1000 kg trying to move which takes far less energy to move sideways and your up the creek first hard corner you come to.
If you only have 2 straps they should be across the back of the load to keep the pallets tight and keep them all together as one unit load.Cos if you got enough angular momentum to put 26 thousand kilos through the side of a curtain you should have been riding a bloody motorbike not driving a truck.
That may be okay if your carrying burger buns, try it with laminate boards after machining, or wire cable trays, radiators or any of a 101 things. The first thing to go isn’t the pallet sliding on the bed, it’s the load breaking free of it’s banding/shrink wrap etc. I’ve never lost a load in a curtainsider, I’ve had them move a little 
, 2 straps across the back is for those wanting to work at Jim Henson Haulage.
MADBAZ:
try it with laminate boards after machining
those ■■■■■■■ things are lethal 
commonrail:
MADBAZ:
try it with laminate boards after machiningthose [zb] things are lethal
plywoods the same
And hardboard especially when they are stacked either way up.
I’ve calmed down a little bit.
But not a lot!
To be truthful, it’s probably the employers who need to be educated most, followed by the customers who don’t give a monkey’s as long as they can pass the buck to some other poor sod. Whenever I’ve noticed something which looks a bit dodgy, the response has always been, “Our chaps have been doing it that way for years”.
Never once, in fifty years in the industry, has anyone replied, “What do you think is wrong?” or “How do you think we can improve the way we’re doing it?” Let’s be honest, we know nothing. Our opinions don’t matter a jot because we’re all just brainless idiots who are drivers only because we are incapable of doing a “proper” job.
Like Traffic Clerk.
Or Warehouse Foreman.
Or Security Guard.
Retired Old ■■■■:
Never once, in fifty years in the industry, has anyone replied, “What do you think is wrong?” or “How do you think we can improve the way we’re doing it?”
But what makes you better qualified than me to say what’s the best way to secure my load.
Ross.
The problem for anyone picking up a load , especially for a big company is dare you open your mouth and lose your job?
If say you were carrying washing powder from P&G full load and well loaded, in theory you should use 28 straps to secure it, but you find that 4 straps are free and the rest stuck in the pocket at the front. What to do? Ask other drivers if this is normal? Use your initiative and use 4 straps and drive sensibly?
Im sure if you asked for pallets to be taken off to get at the other straps you would find yourself unemployed pretty quick.
Only when head office dictates the loading procedures, will loads be fully starpped.
Bobtailvw:
The problem for anyone picking up a load , especially for a big company is dare you open your mouth and lose your job?
If say you were carrying washing powder from P&G full load and well loaded, in theory you should use 28 straps to secure it, but you find that 4 straps are free and the rest stuck in the pocket at the front. What to do? Ask other drivers if this is normal? Use your initiative and use 4 straps and drive sensibly?
Im sure if you asked for pallets to be taken off to get at the other straps you would find yourself unemployed pretty quick.
Only when head office dictates the loading procedures, will loads be fully starpped.
Kappa Yate have a policy that all pallets are secured by internal straps, also I’ve noticed that Smiths who pull the baled waste card outta Tesco Avonmouth also use internal straps on all bales.so someone’s doing something.
bigr250:
Retired Old ■■■■:
Never once, in fifty years in the industry, has anyone replied, “What do you think is wrong?” or “How do you think we can improve the way we’re doing it?”But what makes you better qualified than me to say what’s the best way to secure my load.
Ross.
Only my fifty years of hard-earned experience, mate.
Plus the ten years or so learning the “proper” way to do things from the age of about seven.
Plus the RTITB courses on Load Safety & Security.
Plus all those hours at night school learning about Static & Dynamic Forces.
Plus the hours spent poring over piles of books and pamphlets that were churned out by the (then) Ministry of Transport at Marsham Street- no computers in those days.
Plus all the stuff issued by the Road Haulage Association.
But, after all’s said and done, I know nothing- I’m just a driver.
But I have to agree with you, Ross, I’m no better qualified than you to say what’s the best way to secure YOUR load. It’s always down to the driver. That way, others have someone to blame when it all goes pear-shaped.
All the best.
I agree that things are being done, I been pulled off some sites a few times, if I have not been able to secure a load properly. Thats with the backing off head office. You see, we get in house training every year where the DFT code of practice is the base for all our lessons. If we then go and disregard what we’ve been taught out on the road then we contravene what we have been taught on load security and could face a disciplinary.
And by following the DFT Codes of Practice, YOU will have someone to blame if it all goes pear-shaped!
Can’t fault you, matey. That’s the way to go.
Now if you could just have a word with Ross…
commonrail:
have you seen the industry standard practice of securing those giant paper reels…i hate those giant paper reels.
I saw a lorry in services once with trailer full of reels that had gone over, first one went through the head board, others were on one curtain and on the otherside the recovery team were there trying to get them out, was a right mess.
I carry those reels and havnt had any problems but thats because there strapped properly and anyone those says they cant be strapped is an idiot!