I doubt it, I passed the CPC tests with concussion (theory) and after a 20 hour day (pratical). The DCPC is a joke.
3ducks:
OOPS
You win some you lose some 
If the driver hadn’t scratched his bonnet first that would never have happened, the straps have held, the trailer has failed 
Wheel Nut:
3ducks:
OOPS
You win some you lose some
If the driver hadn’t scratched his bonnet first that would never have happened, the straps have held, the trailer has failed
Or “Sorry boss but it was like this … Some big fat Guy in a red suit came belting around the corner in a sleigh pulled by reindeer, he didn’t even look or stop before turning infront of me”
chester:
Saaamon:
Would you all be happy taking 26pallets on a flat bed with two crossed straps on the rear?
Reminds me of the flatbed loads of Bricks I used to see running about in Belgium…some were not even strapped!
chester:
Section 11 pallets
Section 16 curtain siders
If anyone is not sure about how to secure a load, this should be their “bible”. It’s all very well cutting corners, but if everybody followed these rules a lot fewer lorry drivers would be found guilty of carrying an unsafe load.
webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. … hicles.pdfAre we all in the wrong for not following the Department for Transport code of practice.
Is this why the DCPC being introduced so we are all singing from the same song sheet perhaps?
when i was on prestons we used to pick up tauts loaded with bricks from peterboro and there wasnt a strap to be seen, i,m not saying it was right but i had never carried them before and was told this was how it was to be done and they wouldnt move, to be fair they never did
dew:
And people wonder why we like working on tippers… tip in wrong placeShut doors, sheet over, job done
just fixed that for you
I spent a couple of years hauling bottled coke out of Edmonton where the pallets were bigger than the stack of bottles therefore leaving a gap all round, no internal straps, no problem, never had a load shift, shrink wrap and good driving kept it all together, and that went for all 10 drivers on the shift.
Retired Old ■■■■:
chester:
Section 11 pallets
Section 16 curtain siders
If anyone is not sure about how to secure a load, this should be their “bible”. It’s all very well cutting corners, but if everybody followed these rules a lot fewer lorry drivers would be found guilty of carrying an unsafe load.
webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. … hicles.pdf
I refer my honorable friend, Equitran, to the pdf link herewith.
Just because you and your colleagues “got away with it” doesn’t mean your loads were safe. It just means that you were lucky, IMHO.
You appear to have discounted the possibility of other idiotic road users causing an incident over which you had no control.
it’s about time vosa tightened up on load security. tachograph rules don’t do a thing for road safety, but they punish people for bending the rules.
an insecure load is ignored in place of easy pickings.
it shouldn’t be just the driver that gets punished though, it should be everyone in the chain.
but on the otherhand it will create more jobsworths at RDCs, so [zb] it. leave it alone.
limeyphil:
it’s about time vosa tightened up on load security. tachograph rules don’t do a thing for road safety, but they punish people for bending the rules.
an insecure load is ignored in place of easy pickings.
it shouldn’t be just the driver that gets punished though, it should be everyone in the chain.
but on the otherhand it will create more jobsworths at RDCs, so [zb] it. leave it alone.
I prefer the old rules, if it touches the road, it is insecure, if you catch it in the sheet it may be judged as “load requires attention”
ive only used 2 rear internal straps on my loads out of princess bradford for years now ,never had a problem ,if u drive it properly u wont have a problem, 
We use some 18T curtainsiders consisting mainly of pallets of paper, but also other types of pallets including flat pack cardboard boxes, and other general haulage goods such as pallets of pop, and pallets of (crushable) boxes of fragile goods. Now each one of these pallets can be a different size, and height. some tall, some short, some euro pallets, some standard uk pallets, but the majority are pallets of paper, which are usually very small in dimensions, usually half the size od a euro pallet. they can also be tall, short, medium height, depends how much paper the customer has ordered.
Now our curtainsiders have no internal straps, no poles, no wooden side boards, nothing like that, just 5 anchor points either side of the floor to secure 5 straps accross the load. Doesnt sound too bad yet, but as our pallets are all different sizes we usually end up with the pallets on top of the anchor points as the pallets will not fit on the truck otherwise. Also as the paper pallets are very narrow in dimensions, 5 anchor points in an 18t rigid is nowhere near enough. By strapping using the anchor points you can only strap about 40% of the load.
We are also on multidrop delivering in some really awkward places, town centres narrow streets etc, and some pallets have about 7 or 8 drops on the same pallet. Meaning a continuous cycle of extra time consuming strapping and unstrapping of the load,varying heights of pallets while trying not to damage goods and basically struggling like hell due to (lack of) locations of anchor points. Curtains arent usually opened due to most of our customers being handball or taillift only drops
Paper pallets weigh a good 750 kgs and dont usually shift and are wrapped in plastic securely although the paper can slip off if a sudden movement disturbed it. especaially glossy paper, slippery as hell.
Clearly we dont currently have the best vehicles for the job, but we are in quite a specialist market and in these ecomonic times spending money on new vehicles is probably the last thing on their minds.
Anybody else have real issues strapping curtainsiders, or not strapping as its just not possible due to the vehicle used?
Here we go again.
Best system I’ve seen was when moving lease trucks for Ryder, delivered some to CPL (I think it was) and they had cargo nets at the roof on retracting ropes, then every couple of feet was a strap and on the body of the truck was a ratchet winder. You pulled the net down by the straps, and put them in the ratchet winder and tightened, did this all the way round and the net was pulled over the load and secured it.
Our trailers only have internal straps hanging from the roof, I’ll use them to stop something tall and thin falling over, but that’s it, they’re no use as load security due to being attatched to an aluminium track on a fibreglass roof. Most of our trailers don’t even have roof bars.
I am yet to be convinced how a load that makes it from A to B without being all over the road can be insecure?
waynedl:
Here we go again.Best system I’ve seen was when moving lease trucks for Ryder, delivered some to CPL (I think it was) and they had cargo nets at the roof on retracting ropes, then every couple of feet was a strap and on the body of the truck was a ratchet winder. You pulled the net down by the straps, and put them in the ratchet winder and tightened, did this all the way round and the net was pulled over the load and secured it.
Our trailers only have internal straps hanging from the roof, I’ll use them to stop something tall and thin falling over, but that’s it, they’re no use as load security due to being attatched to an aluminium track on a fibreglass roof. Most of our trailers don’t even have roof bars.
I am yet to be convinced how a load that makes it from A to B without being all over the road can be insecure?
if someone has never locked their house door in 10 years and never been burgled in them 10 years, does that mean their house is secure?
stevieboy308:
waynedl:
Here we go again.Best system I’ve seen was when moving lease trucks for Ryder, delivered some to CPL (I think it was) and they had cargo nets at the roof on retracting ropes, then every couple of feet was a strap and on the body of the truck was a ratchet winder. You pulled the net down by the straps, and put them in the ratchet winder and tightened, did this all the way round and the net was pulled over the load and secured it.
Our trailers only have internal straps hanging from the roof, I’ll use them to stop something tall and thin falling over, but that’s it, they’re no use as load security due to being attatched to an aluminium track on a fibreglass roof. Most of our trailers don’t even have roof bars.
I am yet to be convinced how a load that makes it from A to B without being all over the road can be insecure?
if someone has never locked their house door in 10 years and never been burgled in them 10 years, does that mean their house is secure?
Yes, because the rotty is guarding it 
hey mr, we’ll look after your car for a fiver
it’s ok thanks the rottweiler looks after it
can it put out fire?
There is a large sign on entry to (Corus) SSI Lackenby that reads;
“Just because you have ALWAYS done it that way doesn’t mean it’s right”
dri-diddly-iver:
There is a large sign on entry to (Corus) SSI Lackenby that reads;“Just because you have ALWAYS done it that way doesn’t mean it’s right”
BUT IT DOESN’T MEAN IT’S WRONG EITHER!!!
Ross.
bigr250:
dri-diddly-iver:
There is a large sign on entry to (Corus) SSI Lackenby that reads;“Just because you have ALWAYS done it that way doesn’t mean it’s right”
BUT IT DOESN’T MEAN IT’S WRONG EITHER!!!
Ross.
If it doesnt follow the Department of transports code of practice then how can it be anything but wrong?