UKtramp:
robroy:
If it is the case,.and for those of us who sometimes do cab cook,…would a till roll from Tescos with ready meals and/or ingredients on, not do the job?yes providing those ingredients were for cab cooking, if you tried receipts for flour and baking ingredients then no.
Tbh bud I’d kind of sussed that one myself. 
The problem and complexity from receipts is that every driver will have a different diet and dietary needs. A driver who is a vegetarian would have receipts different to a driver who may be allergic to gluten or whatever, providing those receipts for ingredients could prepare a meal in the cab then it would be acceptable that they are a legitimate cooking expense. I doubt anyone will be scrutinising the receipts that far,
Looks as if my amateur accountancy question 
, was bloody stupid, after all, and you are all ignoring it to save my embarassment. 
No question is a stupid question if you don’t know the answer to it rob.
UKtramp:
robroy:
If it is the case,.and for those of us who sometimes do cab cook,…would a till roll from Tescos with ready meals and/or ingredients on, not do the job?yes providing those ingredients were for cab cooking, if you tried receipts for flour and baking ingredients then no.
What if he’s baking a cake in his cab?
xichrisxi:
UKtramp:
robroy:
If it is the case,.and for those of us who sometimes do cab cook,…would a till roll from Tescos with ready meals and/or ingredients on, not do the job?yes providing those ingredients were for cab cooking, if you tried receipts for flour and baking ingredients then no.
What if he’s baking a cake in his cab?
Baking in a cab is really not that common, I cannot see many drivers with a rolling pin and knocking up a cake in reality? No doubt there will be someone now who will jump in who has been on the great british bake off from his cab to prove me wrong.
UKtramp:
No question is a stupid question if you don’t know the answer to it rob.
No?
It’s just that in all my years in this job, I can safely say without fear of contradiction, that I’ve never known any trucker, of any nationality who actually bakes his own bread…in cab.
eagerbeaver:
Looks like you are wrong Darkside from these RHA guidelines.A checking system must be in place from the employer, and for example any receipts from the driver for food must be scrutinised and be found to be dated/timed AFTER the journey in question has taken place. The full £26.20 DOES NOT have to be accounted for if an approval is in place, but it basically means that if you as a driver get asked by your employer to provide receipts for food as part of a ’ random ’ sample on a particular date, if you haven’t had a Harvester or KFC, Burger King etc then you are deemed to be taking the ■■■■.
So my point still stands. Maoster by the sounds of it needs to start providing weekly receipts for his nights out. Unless he starts becoming a fat 2at and eating KFC/BK/McD every night with receipts to prove, he will start getting taxedHMRC are not even interested in your food shop for your forthcoming work week for cooking in the cab. It HAS to be a dictionary definition of a ’ meal ’ purchased after the start of a journey with receipt to prove
I can see this is yet another thin end of the wedge because most of these larger transport outfits get a massive hard-on regarding ’ Audits ’ and ’ Conformity ’ etc…
Bad times en route for our tramping Brothers me thinks
That reads as, the £26.20 is safe, but anything else claimed by a driver has to be accompanied by a receipt.
Also hauliers have to prove the night out actually was justified, and not paid when the vehicle got back to base
robroy:
Looks as if my amateur accountancy question
In all honesty I can’t say I wasn’t sorely tempted Rob !! …but I have learned my lesson 
Regards. John.
" dated/timed AFTER the journey in question has taken place"
So what if you eat a meal then drive another two hours before parking up. Invalid receipts presumably.
I can think of numerous examples of where you wouldn’t have or be able to provide a receipt. As an example everyone knows that I eat road kill in the shooting season. I could not possibly provide a receipt for that, it would be a legitimate meal for me and if I wasn’t on the road I wouldn’t be eating road kill so I still want to claim my night out money. I could however take a photo of me picking up the roadkill with a geo camera to prove I was night outing.
Nothing to see here
Thanks for the phone call Mr Beaver, you confirmed what our Co told me yesterday when they informed me of this. Cheers bud.
If you read the RHA example already posted on this thread, it’s crystal clear. A fella away from home in a sleeper cab can be paid an agreed max rate £26.20 per night out. (£34.90 if it’s a day cab).
Basically HMRC are saying that employers must have a checking system in place. IF on a random sample you are asked to provide PROOF that you had a meal on a specific claimed night away, this meal MUST be purchased after commencement of the journey.
In other words, HMRC are going to start clamping down on these night out payments. The agreement between HMRC and your employer for the industry scale (£26.20 tax free amount) is a 5 year agreement and can be REVOKED by HMRC at ANY TIME if the receipts cannot be produced when requested by them.
The big players are certainly going to be covering their back by asking drivers to keep receipts. IT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH PARKING OR OTHER COMPANY COSTS. THIS IS SIMPLY CONCERNING NIGHT OUT PAYMENTS TO DRIVERS SPENDING A NIGHT IN THEIR CABS.
If you enjoy stuffing your face with fast food this will not affect you as you are buying this food anyway (just keep the receipt for your employer). However if you take food with you, you CANNOT provide receipts and therefore run the risk of being taxed if your company loses their agreement with HMRC.
The £26.20 is an amount that HMRC has deemed ENOUGH to take into account your bedding being laundered and a MEAL in your stomach and towards the CLEANING materials for your cab. And in fairness we all know £26.20 per NIGHT is plenty to cover a £5.99 KFC, some £1 glass cleaner which lasts a FORTNIGHT, a bit of washing powder and a pack of wet wipes.
The problem is that HMRC KNOW it’s enough to cover nights out and is being used to supplement poor wages in the sector, which is why they are trying to cut it down when possible as the TAXPAYER is losing out, that’s the way the government obviously view it
UKtramp:
robroy:
If it is the case,.and for those of us who sometimes do cab cook,…would a till roll from Tescos with ready meals and/or ingredients on, not do the job?yes providing those ingredients were for cab cooking, if you tried receipts for flour and baking ingredients then no.
I read on the RHA website that HMRC will not accept recipts for a drivers buying stuff for them to cook in their cabs or other food they buy for their week away say from Tescos/Asda etc unless it was bought in works time. So a till recipt for £40 worth of snap bought on a Saturday dinner time from Asda would not be accepted however a recipt say for £40 worth of stuff bought on a Monday at 12pm during your shift would be allowed
Munchkin:
" dated/timed AFTER the journey in question has taken place"So what if you eat a meal then drive another two hours before parking up. Invalid receipts presumably.
No mate. It means AFTER the working day in question (where you end up sleeping in your cab) has commenced. So in your example you are fine.
What you CANNOT do is buy a KFC bargain bucket on Sunday night with the family and claim that you started work on Monday and kipped in your cab Monday night and took food with you from the night before. Or your missus bought a load of casserole ingredients on the Saturday shop and prepared 3 meals in Tupperware containers for you, and you want the cost of said ingredients reimbursing.
In other words…" WE ARE CLAMPING DOWN ON NIGHT OUT MONEY FOR THOSE EMPLOYERS WHOSE DRIVERS DO NOT PROVIDE RECEIPTS, BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING ■■■■■■ OFF WITH THE TAXPAYER SUBSIDISING TURD TRUCK DRIVING WAGES " 
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
UKtramp:
robroy:
If it is the case,.and for those of us who sometimes do cab cook,…would a till roll from Tescos with ready meals and/or ingredients on, not do the job?yes providing those ingredients were for cab cooking, if you tried receipts for flour and baking ingredients then no.
I read on the RHA website that HMRC will not accept recipts for a drivers buying stuff for them to cook in their cabs or other food they buy for their week away say from Tescos/Asda etc unless it was bought in works time. So a till recipt for £40 worth of snap bought on a Saturday dinner time from Asda would not be accepted however a recipt say for £40 worth of stuff bought on a Monday at 12pm during your shift would be allowed
Beat me to it Steve. (Apart from your last bit). Food purchased MUST be a ’ meal ’ as defined in a dictionary.
eagerbeaver:
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
UKtramp:
robroy:
If it is the case,.and for those of us who sometimes do cab cook,…would a till roll from Tescos with ready meals and/or ingredients on, not do the job?yes providing those ingredients were for cab cooking, if you tried receipts for flour and baking ingredients then no.
I read on the RHA website that HMRC will not accept recipts for a drivers buying stuff for them to cook in their cabs or other food they buy for their week away say from Tescos/Asda etc unless it was bought in works time. So a till recipt for £40 worth of snap bought on a Saturday dinner time from Asda would not be accepted however a recipt say for £40 worth of stuff bought on a Monday at 12pm during your shift would be allowed
Beat me to it Steve.
So just chuck in a couple of those cheap microwave meals at a couple of quid to keep the Wayne Kerrs happy.
Well I normally buy food to go away with before I go away and usually whilst shopping for our normal weekly shop. I only buy things that I run out of on the road and the odd time that I eat a meal out is a rarity. I refuse to eat at MSA’s or truck stops as I like to keep myself fit and my figure resembling a human being. I cannot see this coming into force by actually enforcing it to the point I am being forced to eat out at these establishments. No one is going to be forced to look like an overweight pig in order to prove to HMRC with a receipt. I cannot be the only trim looking driver on the road.
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
So just chuck in a couple of those cheap microwave meals at a couple of quid to keep the Wayne Kerrs happy.
You could do that Steve, but as EB has pointed out buying them on a Saturday for the coming week is a no no, buying them whilst you are actually away at work is what they are wanting.